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    Default Occam's Razor

    Occam's Razor is a theory that, essentially, says "If all things are equal, then usually the simplest explanation is the best."

    Zag fans need to apply this theory because it seems we have become a fandom of worriers who must over-analyze and obsess over just about every little thing when it comes to dissecting this year's team.

    Here are some things I believe are true, all of them being the simplest explanation for the way things are:

    * Josh is playing the way he is because he is still recovering from the ankle injury, the bronchitis, and the lack of stamina the injury and illness caused.

    * Nothing is sadder on this board than listening to a lot of old farts and former KC'ers bemoan the lack of energy that the current students exhibit. Yes, I know the old KC'ers walked five miles uphill in the snow to make it to the game, but 42 and 33 point yawners would have sapped their energy, too.

    * Gonzaga will never be a great perimiter defensive team because the coaching staff values offense and recruits offensive skill players. Also, Few's defensive strategy has always been -- and will probably continue to be -- shut down the high percentage inside game first.

    * Jeremy Pargo is the best player in the WCC right now, and should be the league MVP. No one in the league -- no one! -- has had a better string of games in conference than Jeremy.

    * Gonzaga has the most talent in the league, and will probably win the rest of its league games. Apologies to St. Marys and USD, we have the most talented eight man rotation in the league.

    * Gonzaga players are not selfish. This a popular notion on other message boards -- and sometimes on ours. In fact, the opposite is true -- this team is always looking for the best shot, and our recent assist totals bear this out.

    * There is nothing "wrong" with Matt Bouldin or Micah Downs, or anyone else. The season is amazingly long, from October through March. Every player will hit rough patches. When Micah isn't scoring, or Matt, or anyone else, they contribute on defense, rebounding, and precision passing.

    * Worrying about if/when Austin Daye goes pro is wasted energy. Austin is an absolutely special talent. Enjoy him in the now, because he is simply amazing to watch. He reminds me of a young colt with that special "it" which will win the Kentucky Derby down the road.

    * The Zags will never leave the WCC Conference. Simply put, the conference is good fit, and even were it not, there is nowhere else to go.

    There you have it! El Voce's simple explanations for things. Feel free to discuss.

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    Wow - Where do I sign up?

    Perfectly stated my friend! That is a great reality check!

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    You've said it all, Voice. Nicely done.
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    I've never understood how he got the nickname "The Voice of Reason".

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    A big scoop of bread pudding to you Voce.

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    Here, here!

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    Default El Voce, one question . .

    do you recommend value or growth stocks ?

    best,

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    Very well stated. Enjoy the journey. It should be a great ride. And like you said do not over analyze everything and everybody.

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    Couldn't agree more. Nice, concise summary of well-thought out Zag truths.

    I especially agree with these ones:

    Defense--the priority is on offense, and you are right that they will probably never be great, but they can be good and I think are getting there. Curious question I have: when was the last time the Zags got tore up inside? As many times as it seems guys go off from three on them, I can't remember a big working them over.

    Pargo--I've been critical of his play in the past, but he has shown remarkable improvement in subtle aspects of the game that make a big difference. He really has become a true floor general in the past month. It just shows how coachable he is and why the staff continues to believe in him when many of us don't (myself included at times in the past)

    GU players are not selfish--I've heard that this is a great group of guys, up there with the best of the Zags in recent memory. It helps with captains like Pargo and Pendo. The frosh are also classic Zags in their approach to the game.

    Bouldin and Micah--they probably aren't as great as we think they are when they are on a roll, and not as bad as when they are in a slump. But they are darn good college basketball players who can do a variety of things, not just score. The team has enough talent that they should be able to overcome dry spells by either of them.

    One last * to add:

    *If Bouldin, Daye, Gray, Downs, and Josh can all get going offensively (especially shooting) at once in March, sky's the limit for this team. That is a huge, unlikely, if, but not out of the question either. Actually, getting three of them going at once is probably enough--maybe not so far-fetched.

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    kudos to my section mate, helluva post indeed. never knew we thought so much alike huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by applezag View Post
    Couldn't agree more. Nice, concise summary of well-thought out Zag truths.

    I especially agree with these ones:

    Defense--the priority is on offense, and you are right that they will probably never be great, but they can be good and I think are getting there. Curious question I have: when was the last time the Zags got tore up inside? As many times as it seems guys go off from three on them, I can't remember a big working them over.
    You are right in that we rarely give up much to any one player inside. (But I do recall a certain Omar Samhan having a career night against us in Moraga last year. Sorry to bring up bad, bad memories.) Zags defense isn't bad this year; and with the offensive firepower, it doesn't have to be great for us to do some damage in March. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamagin View Post
    do you recommend value or growth stocks ?

    best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoZag View Post
    My broker's E.V. Hutton. . .

    When E.V. Hutton talks,


    People listen.


    ( Will anyone under 30 get that reference ? )
    And all those years I thought it was EF Hutton. No wonder I went broke ...I was listnen' to the wrong Hutton!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebayzagfan View Post
    And all those years I thought it was EF Hutton. No wonder I went broke ...I was listnen' to the wrong Hutton!
    well played


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    El Voce's Razor - what's to discuss? He explained it all.
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    I'd always heard that Philosophy and English majors were only good for teaching others about philosophy and english. At least in the case of the former that proves to not be true. Well reasoned El V.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebayzagfan View Post
    You are right in that we rarely give up much to any one player inside. (But I do recall a certain Omar Samhan having a career night against us in Moraga last year. Sorry to bring up bad, bad memories.) Zags defense isn't bad this year; and with the offensive firepower, it doesn't have to be great for us to do some damage in March. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds!!!
    Not to mention Bryant this year at Santa Clara. I only got to watch the first half of the St. Mary's - Santa Clara game yesterday, but I was impressed with how well Samhan and his teammates were able to lock down Bryant and company. Talk about no easy looks. I'd love to see us display that kind of defense when the Broncos visit the Kennel again.

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    I'm sorry, but this comment tickled me:
    Pargo--I've been critical of his play in the past, but he has shown remarkable improvement in subtle aspects of the game that make a big difference. He really has become a true floor general in the past month. It just shows how coachable he is and why the staff continues to believe in him when many of us don't (myself included at times in the past)
    How lovely when one doesn't have to admit one's evaluation has been wrong, but rather the player in question has finally listened and has improved so drastically - in one month!

    Pargo's improving all the time, but IMO, many past criticisms were simply wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoZag View Post
    My broker's E.V. Hutton. . .

    When E.V. Hutton talks,


    People listen.


    ( Will anyone under 30 get that reference ? )
    Nope.

    After I left the Army, I went to work for EF Hutton. I got my broker's license two months before the company pleaded guilty to 2000 felony counts of check kiting. Great career move, TZF!

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    EV - you continue to be the voice of logic and reason!

    you stated my sentiments exactly! very well said.
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    All hail El Voce, THE Voice of Reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Voce View Post
    Occam's Razor is a theory that, essentially, says "If all things are equal, then usually the simplest explanation is the best."
    If this is true, can I apply Occam's Razor to the persistence of the bunny threads by a certain segment of this board?

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    EV - great "simple" post!




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    Quote Originally Posted by applezag View Post
    One last * to add:

    *If Bouldin, Daye, Gray, Downs, and Josh can all get going offensively (especially shooting) at once in March, sky's the limit for this team. That is a huge, unlikely, if, but not out of the question either. Actually, getting three of them going at once is probably enough--maybe not so far-fetched.


    A min of 3 & the team will be fine in March - they may lose earlier than we'd like, but it won't be because the team wasn't playing well.

    but if it's 4 or 5 all clicking at once - LOOK OUT!
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