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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    Reborn,

    I know you are very astute but I also disagree (no disrespect intended) with you as the refs didn't cost us the game...yes we had more fouls but we also committed so damn many STUPID fouls...Watson, Timme, Chet, Straw...Nembhard...TURNOVERS killed our chances...we outshot and rebounded and had more assists...they had more steals and Timme, Chet, Nembhard didn't make a three...we missed Ft's and layups as did they but our TURNOVERS killed us...lost too many scoring opportunities away, that we needed...Duke missing as many FT's as they did in the 1st half kept us in the game...Also, their freshman played better than our freshman...they were more physical too...When Chet guarded #5 he didn't score...One more thing...The Refs did make several bad calls but mostly evident after the video of the two blocks by their "big guy" that were GOOD blocks...

    We were up by three and Watson was in the low post with great position and Nembhard passed him the ball and Watson couldn't grab it and the ball went out of bounds...Duke came down and scored cutting our lead to one and then they hit a 3 to take the lead - which we tied up...but that IMO was the turning point as their Big had three fouls and maybe Watson could have gotten a fourth...

    I hate that we lost but we truly beat ourselves...

    I believe that if we play them again, we win by double digits...
    While I don't agree the refs cost us this game those blocks by Williams were not clean and the right call. Just because you get a hand on the ball does not make it a clean block if you went through the shooters body to get there. Which is clearly what happened. Yes he got ball but he also slammed into him as he was going up as well.

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    The day after a game when Gonzaga loses is always better for me then writing about the game right after the game. Give Duke credit because they did win, and give Coach K credit because IMO he did out coach Mark Few.

    1. Duke costantly was changing their defenses which I believe kept Gonzaga off balance to some degree on offense.
    2. Duke comes out in a zone at the beginning of the game which I believe really confused Gonzaga. Gonzaga was NOT prepared for that, and for the first time this year Gonzaga did NOT come out and dominate a game at the beginning. AND Duke did. Duke came out from the start and dominated Gonzaga in every area of the game, the way that Gonzaga usually does to other teams. Duke looked more like Gonzaga in the first 10 minutes of the game, scoring a good number of points on fast break baskets. Duke appeared more ready for this battle at the beginning than Gonzaga did. At the beginning of this game, to me Gonzaga kind of looked like they did when they Lost to Baylor in the hampionship game last year. Does coaching have something to do with that?
    3. Gonzaga's turnovers really hurt them. And a fair number of those were just simply rediculous. I'm thinking about 2 full court passes that went directly to a Duke player who WAS back defending the full court pass. I'm thinking of the time, late in the game when gonzaga needs to take care of the ball, Holmgren gturns the ball over on an inbounds pass to a Duke player that Holmgren never saw. That led to a Duke basket. And Nembhard turnover very latge in the game when he looked like he simply handed it to a Duke player which also led to an easy basket for Duke.I thin I saw tht Duke scored 24 points off turnovers and Gonzaga scored 2.
    4. Duke scored more points going down the backstretch and heading for home. Yes, they did score their points at the foul line, but they were attacking the basket with hard drives and refs often reward players who drive hard to the basket. Timme got a breat when he attacked the basket with powere trying to dunk over Williams (Duke's center). Williams clearly blocked the shot but Timme was rewarded by attacking with power. Gonzaga, on the other hand, missed two easy shots down the backstretch. One by Nembard on a 4 foot floater, and one by Timme on a 3 foot floater. those were both shots that both of them usually make at least 75% of the time. And Nembhard misses the front end of a one and one which really us the Zags. In the end, Gonzage did not show the confidence to put this one away.
    5. One could argue that the reason that Duke shot more foul shots, by a big margin, than Gonzaga was because they played better defense in this game. The way this game was called by the refs was going to favor a team that hand-checked and body-checked the whole game when Gonzaga was playing defense as if the refs were calling a game where you could not hand or body check. Gonzaga may have made more stupid fouls, like Timme's 4th one. And a couple that Holmgren made the first half.
    6. Not much has been said about bench play, but Duke's bench may have been the deciding factor in this game. Their bench outscored ours 11-7. And that my friends was the difference in the game. Few has been criticized for the way he uses his bench players, particularly Hickman and Sallis. I believe the criticism is fair.

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    Bornie, you definitely are more astute the morning after. Agree 100%.

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    This game wasn’t about bad calls costing us the win. To me it came down to the sheer physicality of the Duke players, especially the guards. On defense Moore and Keels were up in our guards bodies the entire night. You could certainly say a lot of that action was fouls, but the refs made it clear they weren’t going to call that early on, and we needed to adjust. Keels in particularly used his strength to blow up our hand off action, and forced our offense to be remarkably one dimensional (high pick and roll) down the stretch. My guess is we are still early in the year, lots of new bodies, and don’t have as deep a playbook as we usually do…that hurt us. On our defensive end it was the same story to me. The Duke guards got hip on hip and outmuscled our guys to the rim time and time again, either getting buckets, or putting fouls on our bigs and Strawther. Truth is at this point in their careers, Williams is a better defensive anchor than Chet. For the most part Williams was able to slow/stop our interior efforts (but he picked up 4 fouls in the process) while Chet had moments, but got muscled around by John’s, Banchero and Williams (Keels too).

    I think the entire game came down to Duke’s physicality. We turned the ball over in large part due to that pressure (again…clearly COULD be called tighter…but it wasn’t. And the refs were pretty consistent in letting that body to body stuff go with one crazy exception on Keels late in the game for some reason) and on defense, Duke put us in a ton of tough positions through that same physicality.

    I don’t mind that loss one bit. Even while all of that was happening, we were a BANKED 3 pointer away (Joey Baker…seriously). If we just come up with a bucket here or there down the stretch, or Bolton gets one stop on Roach (by the way, this is where Banchero is so tough. Pulled Chet out of the paint and leaves Bolton on an island) and we probably win that game. I think it helps us develop.

    We need KP, BG and HS (at least 2/3) to develop quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demian View Post
    That was a helluva game. Zags looked like a physically weak team the first approx 15 minutes. Then somehow battled their asses off to get into the game by halftime. The first 15 minutes of the second half was legit high level ball from both teams. Zags looked not so good the last 4 minutes of the game tho. Duke made the plays in crunch time. Zags kinda struggled in crunch time. Fun game tho. entertaining from a purely spectators point of view. the coaches and players all improved exponentially tonight in varieties of ways when we were truly challenged and facing adversity at multiple times. We lost but I was actually very impressed about the fighting spirit and willingness to dig in and battle. We easily could have gotten embarrassed in that first half. Bolton kept us barely afloat, till others could settle in. Watson was nice tonight. Kid can play for sure. He was good. Strawther is legit. Hickmans up and under finish was sweet. We have a fighters spirit, that’s obvious now, we have tons of skill, we have guys who will dig in and battle. We have the ingredients.
    Great post, Demian. One of the best in this thread. You are such a good writer, and can say things in a much shorter and concise way then i can, Keep writing and contributing more to this Board (forum).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    Duke 23 points off turnovers Zags 2.

    THIS ^^^
    When I played and when I coached, the first thing I did after a game, was to
    look in the mirror, and ask myself if there were a few things I could have done better, or my team
    Could have done better to flip a ONE POSSESSION GAME in my favor.
    Mark and his staff will do that after this one… They always do… even after
    Wins. In a one possession game, there are many things that could have been better.
    Chet and Andrew go 0-6 from 3, all but one were good looks. 17 TO’s vs. 8 is
    A killer… too many empty possessions. First half foul trouble for Chet and Anton
    Certainly hurt GU.
    But when you dive deep into a one possession game against a great opponent like
    Duke, there are usually a couple of eye opening stats that stand out. For me,
    Wendell Moore was great, but Mark Williams was the difference maker.
    I knew he was a force, but in this game, He was 8-9 from the floor, 9 rebounds,
    2 steals, 5 blocks. He was better than Advertised, at least in this game.

    On the other hand, the Zags did some really good things…
    42-31 on the boards against a talented Duke front line is terrific.
    Duke was +7 RPG before last night.
    22 assists on 34 made buckets, again, outstanding. Strawther
    Showed us that he is a baller… awesome job, in his hometown, against
    Two really good teams… Ju had 32 & 19 against UCLA & DUKE… just
    A great job against that caliber of competition for a young player.

    This Zag team will be fine. A lot to like… and GU will be a tough out in March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john montana View Post
    This game wasn’t about bad calls costing us the win. To me it came down to the sheer physicality of the Duke players, especially the guards. On defense Moore and Keels were up in our guards bodies the entire night. You could certainly say a lot of that action was fouls, but the refs made it clear they weren’t going to call that early on, and we needed to adjust. Keels in particularly used his strength to blow up our hand off action, and forced our offense to be remarkably one dimensional (high pick and roll) down the stretch. My guess is we are still early in the year, lots of new bodies, and don’t have as deep a playbook as we usually do…that hurt us. On our defensive end it was the same story to me. The Duke guards got hip on hip and outmuscled our guys to the rim time and time again, either getting buckets, or putting fouls on our bigs and Strawther. Truth is at this point in their careers, Williams is a better defensive anchor than Chet. For the most part Williams was able to slow/stop our interior efforts (but he picked up 4 fouls in the process) while Chet had moments, but got muscled around by John’s, Banchero and Williams (Keels too).

    I think the entire game came down to Duke’s physicality. We turned the ball over in large part due to that pressure (again…clearly COULD be called tighter…but it wasn’t. And the refs were pretty consistent in letting that body to body stuff go with one crazy exception on Keels late in the game for some reason) and on defense, Duke put us in a ton of tough positions through that same physicality.

    I don’t mind that loss one bit. Even while all of that was happening, we were a BANKED 3 pointer away (Joey Baker…seriously). If we just come up with a bucket here or there down the stretch, or Bolton gets one stop on Roach (by the way, this is where Banchero is so tough. Pulled Chet out of the paint and leaves Bolton on an island) and we probably win that game. I think it helps us develop.

    We need KP, BG and HS (at least 2/3) to develop quickly.
    This post is spot on. Duke often puts extreme pressure on the guards to take a team out of its offensive rhythm. The refs were not calling it tight and it affected us. I did not think there were any particularly lopsided calls in that game however.
    I would love to see our other guards get some run and critical experience against lighter competition as Nembhard looked tired at the end of that game and could have used some help. Even 4 minutes of rest would help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEC26 View Post
    This post is spot on. Duke often puts extreme pressure on the guards to take a team out of its offensive rhythm. The refs were not calling it tight and it affected us. I did not think they were any particularly lopsided calls in that game however.
    I would love to see our other guards get some run against lighter competition as Nembhard looked tired at the end of that game and could have used some help. Even 4 minutes of rest would help.
    I agree too, and hence call it Baylor 2.0. We have some wonderful players, smart, lithe, unselfish, skilled. But no Uber athlete on the order of Suggs, Clark, Rui, the Bonus. Duke has at least one.

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    Reborn, when did Duke play a zone? I saw man to man all night. I know duke has occasionally played a 2/3 since K worked with Boeheim on the Olympic team, but I didn’t see it last night. Just straight, high pressure man to man.

    Also worth noting to me…while Duke played tight, body on body physical defense I didn’t think it was anything like the hack job Texas Tech did to us a few years ago. That TT defense was all “swing at their arms” and this was “body them off the ball.” The former to me should be an automatic foul call, the latter is more of a “keep it consistent” and it is what it is in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john montana View Post
    Reborn, when did Duke play a zone? I saw man to man all night. I know duke has occasionally played a 2/3 since K worked with Boeheim on the Olympic team, but I didn’t see it last night. Just straight, high pressure man to man.

    Also worth noting to me…while Duke played tight, body on body physical defense I didn’t think it was anything like the hack job Texas Tech did to us a few years ago. That TT defense was all “swing at their arms” and this was “body them off the ball.” The former to me should be an automatic foul call, the latter is more of a “keep it consistent” and it is what it is in my view.
    Nope, as noxious as K is, he’s not as despicable as the good old boy Beard.

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    Costly game. Banchero now odds on to win both best player and to be top pick, displacing two Zags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john montana View Post
    Reborn, when did Duke play a zone? I saw man to man all night. I know duke has occasionally played a 2/3 since K worked with Boeheim on the Olympic team, but I didn’t see it last night. Just straight, high pressure man to man.

    Also worth noting to me…while Duke played tight, body on body physical defense I didn’t think it was anything like the hack job Texas Tech did to us a few years ago. That TT defense was all “swing at their arms” and this was “body them off the ball.” The former to me should be an automatic foul call, the latter is more of a “keep it consistent” and it is what it is in my view.
    They never played a traditional 2-3 zone, yet they certainly sagged their guys underneath. A sorta matchup zone to drop and help in the post.

    Timme didn't do nearly as good of job passing this game when they collapsed. Neither did Chet. Both were a bit sticky with the ball.

    However, I thought Anton did some wonderful things recognizing the defense and finding some holes. When they guarded him underneath, he found guys, also making plays defensively to get us up 4 pts at one point.

    Then we subbed Timme for Anton...and honestly...the rest was history. back to back TO's on Timme, and some major defensive lapses. It killed our momentum.

    I understand going with the starter late, yet Anton was having a 2nd half, and really the catalyst on turning the tide. We kept getting steals, even though we missed the passes often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Costly game. Banchero now odds on to win both best player and to be top pick, displacing two Zags.
    Long ways to go until March, jazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    Long ways to go until March, jazz.
    Maybe, but I fear the aircraft carrier has been turned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therunner View Post
    They never played a traditional 2-3 zone, yet they certainly sagged their guys underneath. A sorta matchup zone to drop and help in the post.

    Timme didn't do nearly as good of job passing this game when they collapsed. Neither did Chet. Both were a bit sticky with the ball.

    However, I thought Anton did some wonderful things recognizing the defense and finding some holes. When they guarded him underneath, he found guys, also making plays defensively to get us up 4 pts at one point.

    Then we subbed Timme for Anton...and honestly...the rest was history. back to back TO's on Timme, and some major defensive lapses. It killed our momentum.

    I understand going with the starter late, yet Anton was having a 2nd half, and really the catalyst on turning the tide. We kept getting steals, even though we missed the passes often.
    It’s really tough to allow Tims to sit in that situation, but you have a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Game might’ve cost Tims the POY, lots of national eyeballs even at that hour. Good chance he returns to try again. Banchero far outperforms Holmgren, but little chance Chet returns. Even with a wealth of talent, Few still refuses to develop bench beyond 6th or 7th man and it always bites him. Bolton plays with great confidence. Would like to see him run the point a bit more. Gotta say, Watty played well, should have had more PT. The game looks close on paper but it was really Duke’s to lose. Seventeen TOs are hard to overcome, so many just dumb plays like two throw aheads for no reason.
    He is the most frustrating player. He has streaks of greatness followed by terrible decisions or constantly being out of position. Against Duke though he played good. If he can play consistent he is going to be a difference maker. He played a better game than Drew. I would have liked to see more Perry too. Get him some experience. Not fair to the kids to not get playing time and then throw them into games in March. I felt like Collins was done a disservice by his lack of playing time in the normal season and then all of the sudden in March he is the go to guy and the team practically falls apart when he runs into foul trouble. Too many good players and not enough playing time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayray View Post
    He is the most frustrating player. He has streaks of greatness followed by terrible decisions or constantly being out of position. Against Duke though he played great. If he can play consistent he is going to be a difference maker. He played a better game than Drew. I would have liked to see more Perry too. Get him some experience. Not fair to the kids to not enough playing time and then throw them into games in March. I felt like Collins was done a disservice by his lack of playing time in the normal season and then all of the sudden in March he is the go to guy and the team practically falls apart when he runs into fall trouble. Too many good players and not enough playing time.
    Don’t get me started on Zbo.

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    Perfect storm for Duke.

    I'm not making excuses or blaming the Refs. Duke came out strong and was the better team that day. This was a true March madness situation playing a big game following the UCLA win. It seems beating UCLA makes the next game more challenging. Fortunately a loss doesn't end your season in November.

    Duke plays Gonzaga following several cupcakes. I'm sure this game was very important to coach K and the game plan has been worked on for weeks. They were well prepared, rested and ready. Banchero is the real deal. The only thing that slowed him was the pace of the game and cramps. Gonzaga has no one to stop him when he is on like last night. They need to win all the other aspects of the game. Less turnovers, less fouls and play at the Gonzaga pace. Most teams wilt after 3 periods at that pace.

    Gonzaga plays UCLA with only 2 days to prepare for Duke. Zags starters play heavy minutes against UCLA and it showed down the stretch. Timme seemed gassed and was beat down the court numerous times. I believe this is why he and others had the dumb reach in fouls. Moving hands instead of feet. This is not normal so I see it not being a problem.

    Nembard had a tough game. He has the toughest position and has played almost every minute in big games. I believe he was also tired and thats when simple tasks become more difficult leading to turnovers. Duke was also jumping those passing lanes showing they were prepared. He was hounded relentlessly and has been up to the task. We are lucky to have him. He could use more help and maybe a different look offensively from Gonzaga at times to give him a break. Hickman may be up to this by march. It takes time to all these new players up to speed on added looks.

    Julian has had a great run these last few games. He should be proud of his efforts. I think he will continue to get better on D and may be our best all around player by the end of the season.

    Coack K took a brilliant time out just prior to a TV time out to stop the run Gonzaga was on. He's a brilliant coach who has had the luxury of having the best talent on the floor over the years. It still takes coaching to bring the talent together but athletic ability helps make up for mistakes. They have a true rim protector and it showed changing how Gonzaga attacked. We needed to get him in foul trouble earlier. Less ball fakes and attack his body. To many fakes allow the other players to make the defensive play.

    Timme will have a tougher time this season if the opposing team has a physical inside presence. Teams have seen if you get to him early with a more physical player he has a tough time making those 3-4 moves for the shot. I feel he needs to be quicker on his decision to shoot or pass it out. When he had the lane to drive he was unstoppable. Until the team shoots the 3 ball more consistently he will have to face more doubles and handsy guards slipping in for the steel. Timme gets away with a lot of questionable traveling and in March they will call them.

    Chet's shot will start falling from 3 and it will make Timme's life easier. I would like to see Chet play the top of the key more often. He has a great mid range shot, is able to dribble drive and is an awsome passer. He's a true freshman and the quicker more mature players really bothered him. The turnover on the inbound was a true freshman mistake and I bet we don't see that again. Turnover and a foul really stopped the run we were on.

    All in all the boys played ok. Never giving up and was in it till the end. I say these teams would split the best of ten with Duke having the advantage on 50-50 calls. I was disappointed with a loss but wasn't upset with it.

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    Excellent post! You and Bornie are "levels on the level!" I still would like to see tighter 3-point defense...this is a harp on Few for a couple decades now...he's just fine with 8 feet gaps around the arc. If Keals is on last night as he normally is...we lose by twelve. Conversely, all of our threes were contested. Defense wins games...same old same old. Cannot wait for Chet's evolution...saw it last night...that had to give him mounds of confidence. Strawther and Bolton...ready for bear as they say. They both can shoot well under pressure. Nembhart will bounce and maybe needs to switch with Bolton or someone else at the point to change things up when the handles are failing him. He dribbles unusually high for point...caused him issues against Baylor who was both bodied up and and "handsy" with him the entire tilt. Again, great post, WL!

    Quote Originally Posted by White lightning View Post
    Perfect storm for Duke.

    I'm not making excuses or blaming the Refs. Duke came out strong and was the better team that day. This was a true March madness situation playing a big game following the UCLA win. It seems beating UCLA makes the next game more challenging. Fortunately a loss doesn't end your season in November.

    Duke plays Gonzaga following several cupcakes. I'm sure this game was very important to coach K and the game plan has been worked on for weeks. They were well prepared, rested and ready. Banchero is the real deal. The only thing that slowed him was the pace of the game and cramps. Gonzaga has no one to stop him when he is on like last night. They need to win all the other aspects of the game. Less turnovers, less fouls and play at the Gonzaga pace. Most teams wilt after 3 periods at that pace.

    Gonzaga plays UCLA with only 2 days to prepare for Duke. Zags starters play heavy minutes against UCLA and it showed down the stretch. Timme seemed gassed and was beat down the court numerous times. I believe this is why he and others had the dumb reach in fouls. Moving hands instead of feet. This is not normal so I see it not being a problem.

    Nembard had a tough game. He has the toughest position and has played almost every minute in big games. I believe he was also tired and thats when simple tasks become more difficult leading to turnovers. Duke was also jumping those passing lanes showing they were prepared. He was hounded relentlessly and has been up to the task. We are lucky to have him. He could use more help and maybe a different look offensively from Gonzaga at times to give him a break. Hickman may be up to this by march. It takes time to all these new players up to speed on added looks.

    Julian has had a great run these last few games. He should be proud of his efforts. I think he will continue to get better on D and may be our best all around player by the end of the season.

    Coack K took a brilliant time out just prior to a TV time out to stop the run Gonzaga was on. He's a brilliant coach who has had the luxury of having the best talent on the floor over the years. It still takes coaching to bring the talent together but athletic ability helps make up for mistakes. They have a true rim protector and it showed changing how Gonzaga attacked. We needed to get him in foul trouble earlier. Less ball fakes and attack his body. To many fakes allow the other players to make the defensive play.

    Timme will have a tougher time this season if the opposing team has a physical inside presence. Teams have seen if you get to him early with a more physical player he has a tough time making those 3-4 moves for the shot. I feel he needs to be quicker on his decision to shoot or pass it out. When he had the lane to drive he was unstoppable. Until the team shoots the 3 ball more consistently he will have to face more doubles and handsy guards slipping in for the steel. Timme gets away with a lot of questionable traveling and in March they will call them.

    Chet's shot will start falling from 3 and it will make Timme's life easier. I would like to see Chet play the top of the key more often. He has a great mid range shot, is able to dribble drive and is an awsome passer. He's a true freshman and the quicker more mature players really bothered him. The turnover on the inbound was a true freshman mistake and I bet we don't see that again. Turnover and a foul really stopped the run we were on.

    All in all the boys played ok. Never giving up and was in it till the end. I say these teams would split the best of ten with Duke having the advantage on 50-50 calls. I was disappointed with a loss but wasn't upset with it.

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    Baylor laid out a nice blueprint on how to beat the Zags. Coach K is no dumny.

    Timne surely didn’t help his NBA draft prospects. And Nemhard, just wow with the turnovers and forcing shots.

    I thought the momentum was with Zags for a short time while up by 4—and then came the horribly bad inbounds pass by Chet that effectively killed any momentum. The game was pretty much over after that error.
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    Best observation, Jayray. If Perry is given time to develop, he and Watson will be absolutely shut folks down. Perry is still learning where to be on defense - screens, rolls, switches and back-cuts. Lookout when he gets there. Great take on the rotation issue effecting development of young potential. I agree...let 'em develop early and often.

    On a side note, I now wish that Arizona game was still a reality. We need another high-pressure game with the lights on these young players. In fact, we need 5 more high-pressure games - Purdue, Baylor, Houston....just having fun with the thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by jayray View Post
    He is the most frustrating player. He has streaks of greatness followed by terrible decisions or constantly being out of position. Against Duke though he played good. If he can play consistent he is going to be a difference maker. He played a better game than Drew. I would have liked to see more Perry too. Get him some experience. Not fair to the kids to not get playing time and then throw them into games in March. I felt like Collins was done a disservice by his lack of playing time in the normal season and then all of the sudden in March he is the go to guy and the team practically falls apart when he runs into foul trouble. Too many good players and not enough playing time.
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    Great thread, and am learning a lot from the various posters' perspectives. And it's also keeping me from chewing my fingernails during Michigan/OSU (Go Blue)

    One thought as I reflect on what a number of you are saying about our guards getting bodied - our two national championship game teams had big guards who could back guys down (Nigel and Jalen). Do we have that guy this year?
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    Duke played great. Our error was we always play fast, but we made the mistake of trying to play faster.
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    Someone closed the thread about positives so I am going to stick my comments here.

    The observations I see to build off this game are the following:
    1. Continue with Strawther asserting himself and work on him not committing cheap fouls. He has a tendency to go after a ball a little late which is totally unnecessary. Strawther had five fouls last night. He should only be getting 3.
    2. Play Hickman more. I think in March we will need him and he may be making some big shots. Substitute Hickman for Nembhard so he can rest 10 minutes.
    3. I think Perry needs to play more. He is athletic and can guard elite players with athleticism. This will be helpful when Timme has a bad game and gets himself in foul trouble. I also think Perry can be a force on defense with blocks and rebounding. The one game where he committed five fouls in five minutes was a fluke performance.
    4. Try to work through the kinks in Watson’s game. How can he avoid foul trouble? That one play where he got Williams to foul him in the late second half is what we need more of.
    5. I want to see some extended time played with this lineup: Holmgren, Strawther, Bolton, Hickman, and Nembhard. This can be a great lineup for when we need key shots.
    6. Harris - get him back during conference play for 3 point shooting and his athleticism. I think Harris could defend either Moore or Kiels from last night.
    7. Holmgren - need him to be more consistent with his outside shot. He should not be passing up open looks in the future.
    8. Sallis - figure out how to have him take the next step up. Can he improve his outside shooting during the season?
    9. Gregg - Few obviously didn’t like the matchup between Gregg and Duke players. So does that mean Gregg needs to be more of an outside shooting specialist? Maybe get him more time this season doing that.
    10. Turnovers and fouling are all correctable. Watch this game tape many times to prepare for the next athletic, Physical team.

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    17 turnovers last night. 2d highest in loosing effort in last 5 years, only Villanova in 17-18 forced more at 19.

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