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    Default Never Want to Lose/ But Never Want Undefeated Again

    I wanted to beat Duke badly.

    But tonight, I admit, Duke was the better team, not by a big margin, but for tonight.

    But I did NOT want to go the regular season undefeated again. It put even extra pressure on our guys. Plus, you learn some things when you lose.

    We beat Texas, UCLA, we went down to the last minute with Duke (Who wll be No. 1 and we'll be 2, IMO), we have a game against a top 15 Alabama team we have to win, and not take Texas Tech lightly.

    IF we make it through THAT non-conf. sched with one loss it is miraculous.

    I also think this is the year our conf. win streak breaks. Good teams lurking out there. And that's okay, too.

    I would love for this young team to go into the NCAA as a No. 1 seed in the West with 2-3 losses.

    I hate Duke. I would'lve loved to have beat them. But we didn't want to be undefeated again. We played a tough game down to the wire. I'm happy.
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    I don’t hate Duke but I agree with everything else.

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    I will say this:

    I’ve been to the last 10 final fours, and a ton of big games, Duke fan base is the most annoying and arrogant fan base— full of complete ass holes… cheering overrated before the game started, wanting to start fights before tip… just complete clowns. Wasn’t a fun experience dealing with them. There’s trash talking and then there is just being rude and mean.

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    GU 34-64 53.1% 6-21 3Pt 42 REB 22 AST 5 STL TO 22 FT 7-11
    DK 31-67 46.3% 7-23 3Pt 31 REB 15 AST 11 STL TO 8 FT 15-25


    It's clear where the difference was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daskim View Post
    GU 34-64 53.1% 6-21 3Pt 42 REB 22 AST 5 STL TO 22 FT 7-11
    DK 31-67 46.3% 7-23 3Pt 31 REB 15 AST 11 STL TO 8 FT 15-25


    It's clear where the difference was.
    True but their 10 misses kept us in the game. Check turnovers, 17-8

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    This was an Elite 8 / Final Four quality game. Ebb and flow, counter-punches. . .this is what high level basketball is supposed to look like. Margin of error is so narrow.

    Zags TO's did them in. Zags need to improve re: taking care of the rock.

    The future still looks bright

    Good night.

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    Coach Beard of Texas said it best....we win....even if we lose...... in a game against a top team....

    I suspect Strawther and Bolton are set as starters........ and Hickman will be getting minutes in big games....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoZag View Post
    Zags TO's did them in. Zags need to improve re: taking care of the rock.
    Definitely was the TOs plus we didn't have right scheme to control Banchero in first-half. He had so many good looks, got hot, and gave Duke a lot of confidence.

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    We had our chances but dribbled into trouble more than we should have. Good experience against a physical team. NEXT.

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    Koach can coach a little bit, that zone with 16 secs left was brilliant

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    Think Bolton should have got the ball at 17 seconds-could have used his speed and quickness to thread through the pressure and create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zag365 View Post
    Definitely was the TOs plus we didn't have right scheme to control Banchero in first-half. He had so many good looks, got hot, and gave Duke a lot of confidence.
    Chet did stuff him his first try second half, seemed to cool his jets

    Duke 15-25 from the line, Zags 7-11, huge stat, can't look away

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Koach can coach a little bit, that zone with 16 secs left was brilliant
    Yep deer in the headlight moment for Nembhard and the rest of the team. Tough thing about having Chet inbound is they lost the ability to pass over the token pressure.

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    A game like this last year might have resulted in a National Championship. This was a good learning experience, defensively and offensively. That said, the Zags went cold at the end and this was a very winnable game for them.

    The turnovers were frustrating, to be sure, and they should be able to clean those up. Several of them were due to poor spacing or holding into the ball too long.

    This is the least annoyed I’ve been by a loss for a while.

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    Good loss, teaching moment. Like others have said, nothing from this game to be worried about in the overall scheme of things. We have a lot of youth, and hung around even after almost going down double-digits. Fouls were frustrating, with bad calls on both sides.

    Zags are still #1 on KenPom by a large margin, and only dropped two spots defensively (#9).

    Agree it's good to put the "undefeated" issue behind them. One less pressure point to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    True but their 10 misses kept us in the game. Check turnovers, 17-8
    Agree the TO’s is what stands out to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zag365 View Post
    Definitely was the TOs plus we didn't have right scheme to control Banchero in first-half. He had so many good looks, got hot, and gave Duke a lot of confidence.
    Hard to scheme when bigs get in foul trouble and you have Perry guarding him (scored 10 points against Perry in 5 minutes)…………..
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    Quote Originally Posted by demian View Post
    Agree the TO’s is what stands out to me.
    If we cut that to, say, 13 turn overs we probably win the game. That would represent about a 5 point swing because we would get around 4 more possessions and Duke would lose a couple possessions.


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    the turnovers occurred mostly because we couldn't handle their smothering defense, at least as much as much as not valuing the ball.
    I am almost happy we got a loss. Mostly because what I said last year all the time, when you don't play a lot of close games, you aren't ready for those rare ones that come along.
    I thought refs made mistakes on both sides.
    drawing fouls is an art, and I think Duke practices that more than we do.
    Analyzing with 'what if's" doesn't work for me in this game, they have as many what ifs as we have. The better team won this day, and they earned it. We like to pressure others, but need practice and experience with teams like this, and we won't get it probably until march again.
    Banchero played over his head, unsustainable quality play over several games. but he did what great athletes are supposed to, do cash in their best games in the big ones. Chet will do that, but couldn't tonight. He is amazingly tough for the number of times big opponents knock him on the floor. If I was few I would ask him to not take charges under the basket. an injury to him would be a significant blow. I am waiting for his 3 pt shooting to rise, we know he can drop them when getting open looks, which he mostly takes, and I think they will start falling.
    The pressure of a close game disrupted our players. I hope we have some more, win or lose. Last year we had one close game - UCLA. (my opinion is that West Virginia didn't really threaten us much in that game, and we were not trading leads - or be ahead by just 1 or 2 pots- in the last ten minutes. This year we finally got one. No way to get better at playing close games than by experiencing them. my idea of a close game is where the lead changes hands a lot in the last ten minutes.
    If Sallis has a good jump shot, 2 pointers and 3 pointers, we need to start seeing that pretty soon. Sallis and Chet on 3 pointers, don't forget Willy Mays got a handful of hits in his first 30 something at bats. Time solved it, and will for them too. Sallis is finally taking fewer bad shots, and Julian is too. You know Few will be on them until they get that in their heads. Somehow when Anton takes a bad shot we all forgive him (including me), i am not sure why that is. I get irritated when Julian and Hunter take them.
    This was the fire hose we needed to spray our team with a loss, last year we might have done better without the extraordinary hype - very difficult for 19 and 20 yr old boys to ignore. So glad we are one of the good teams, not the soaring above everyone else golden team. Unlike our loss to Butler this was a good loss, and will almost have as many pros as cons, IMO.

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    Willy Mays got a handful of hits in his first 30 something at bats.
    I remember reading My Giants by Russ Hodges many moons ago. He told a story about Willie Mays when the Giants brought him up from Birmingham. IIRC, he was oh for his first 16 at bats. He was in tears after that game, thinking he couldn't make it in the majors. His manager Leo Durocher told him he was his center fielder, period.

    The rest is history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    I remember reading My Giants by Russ Hodges many moons ago. He told a story about Willie Mays when the Giants brought him up from Birmingham. IIRC, he was oh for his first 16 at bats. He was in tears after that game, thinking he couldn't make it in the majors. His manager Leo Durocher told him he was his center fielder, period.

    The rest is history.
    Check this Willie’s start for the Gints. Not A typo.

    In his Major League debut on July 30, 1959, McCovey went four-for-four against Hall-of-Famer Robin Roberts of the Philadelphia Phillies with two singles and two triples. McCovey found major league pitchers simpler to hit than minor leaguers because the major leaguers had better control of their pitches.

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    I get the willies just listening to you guys talk about my Willie's. I am one of the original home boys for the Giants, along with hundreds of thousands of other junior high school students from the Bay Area of that era.
    I grew up next to Berkeley and rooted for my baseball team, the 'Oakland Oaks.' Then I heard a rumor to good to be true that the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers were relocating to SF and LA. I lived, ate, and breathed Willy Mays my favorite athlete of all time, still is. With my mitt we would go to center field and hope to snag a home run . My entire memory until much later was listening to the games on radio cuz my parents, most parents, did not have TV's yet. I remember the acquisition of Willie McCovey and his first game, only that it started with a bang, but I was elated. I did not remember the details of McCovey's first day batting, but I remember hoping he would be the hitter Mays and Orlando Cepeda were.
    Oh, the good 'ol days. Raised in the Bay Area for my first 19 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagsGoZags View Post
    I get the willies just listening to you guys talk about my Willie's. I am one of the original home boys for the Giants, along with hundreds of thousands of other junior high school students from the Bay Area of that era.
    I grew up next to Berkeley and rooted for my baseball team, the 'Oakland Oaks.' Then I heard a rumor to good to be true that the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers were relocating to SF and LA. I lived, ate, and breathed Willy Mays my favorite athlete of all time, still is. With my mitt we would go to center field and hope to snag a home run . My entire memory until much later was listening to the games on radio cuz my parents, most parents, did not have TV's yet. I remember the acquisition of Willie McCovey and his first game, only that it started with a bang, but I was elated. I did not remember the details of McCovey's first day batting, but I remember hoping he would be the hitter Mays and Orlando Cepeda were.
    Oh, the good 'ol days. Raised in the Bay Area for my first 19 years.
    Stretch McCovey was a pure hitter. Playing with Willie Howard Mays didn’t hurt. I spent my formative years at Ebbets Field with the Boys of Summer, a million miles from the Polo Grounds.

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    no wonder you are such a Dodgers fan Jazz, grew up around them in Brooklyn, and eventually lived in So. California were they went. What I remember about the Bay Area sports fans is envy that the LA teams usually did better, attacking them all the time for being 'plastic and materialistic' compared to SF, we carried on with this stuff by ourselves to ourselves. When I met folks from LA it turns out most of them seemed to know little and cared less about Bay Area sports anything. LA can't help it, so many people and so much money, they kind of ran California without self consciousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagsGoZags View Post
    I get the willies just listening to you guys talk about my Willie's. I am one of the original home boys for the Giants, along with hundreds of thousands of other junior high school students from the Bay Area of that era.
    I grew up next to Berkeley and rooted for my baseball team, the 'Oakland Oaks.' Then I heard a rumor to good to be true that the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers were relocating to SF and LA. I lived, ate, and breathed Willy Mays my favorite athlete of all time, still is. With my mitt we would go to center field and hope to snag a home run . My entire memory until much later was listening to the games on radio cuz my parents, most parents, did not have TV's yet. I remember the acquisition of Willie McCovey and his first game, only that it started with a bang, but I was elated. I did not remember the details of McCovey's first day batting, but I remember hoping he would be the hitter Mays and Orlando Cepeda were.
    Oh, the good 'ol days. Raised in the Bay Area for my first 19 years.
    Also grew up loving the Giants with Willie Mays, McCovey, Willie Kirkland, Cepeda, and the Alou brothers.

    Was there at Candlestick when Mays hit his 512 home run breaking Mel Ott's record (Giants).

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