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    Default Gonzaga vs Eastern Oregon: Your thought and analysis if you like, of the game.

    I know its only an exhibition game, but all games are fun to talk about. Here is my take,

    As usual I saw another GREAT passing team, always looking to hit the open man. I don't think I've ever seen so many layups in a game.

    I haven't seen the stats but I think the outside shooting was good. Strawther was very accurate, and so was Holmgren, Greg and even Watson. Our bigs can shoot the three. Coming into the season I wondered how good this team could shoot from the outside. So far it's impressive.

    This TEAM is so good that the first team All-American (Timme) didn't have to do much to win by 60.

    Perry is definitely a stud.

    Holmgren is everything I had hoped he would be. I really really like how he plays the game. He does it all. A totally complete player.

    This team likes to dunk.

    I thought Watson played well.

    That's enough from me for now. I'll let you all chime in. Let's have some discussion about the game. We have 4 days before the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    I know its only an exhibition game, but all games are fun to talk about. Here is my take,

    As usual I saw another GREAT passing team, always looking to hit the open man. I don't think I've ever seen so many layups in a game.

    I haven't seen the stats but I think the outside shooting was good. Strawther was very accurate, and so was Holmgren, Greg and even Watson. Our bigs can shoot the three. Coming into the season I wondered how good this team could shoot from the outside. So far it's impressive.

    This TEAM is so good that the first team All-American (Timme) didn't have to do much to win by 60.

    Perry is definitely a stud.

    Holmgren is everything I had hoped he would be. I really really like how he plays the game. He does it all. A totally complete player.

    This team likes to dunk.

    I thought Watson played well.

    That's enough from me for now. I'll let you all chime in. Let's have some discussion about the game. We have 4 days before the next one.

    Go Zags!!!
    Great summary Reborn, I watched all but the last five mins. of the game and had a similar impression.

    On your point about what a great passing team this is, I noted in the game thread that Timme really seems to be adapting to a very different front court look this season where he doesn't have to do it all. He came out "pass first", and then settled in. The unselfishness and high-level passing of our teams year in and year out is something we should never take for granted.
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    Agreed with everything Reborn mentioned.

    It was especially cool to see Joe Few enter the game for the last couple of minutes. Years ago, I was getting a haircut near where Mark and Marci Few live, and in walked Mark Few and a very young Joe Few.

    To seeing Joe playing for his dad's number ranked team was special.

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    Thanks, Reborn! I've got to rewatch the game and look out for your guys.

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    My first thought was how easy it was to stream the game. No worries, no buffering, but SWX's graphics leave a lot to be desired (and there was no shot clock displayed). It's a bush league sub-channel; we should be better than this.

    As to the game itself, sure was nice to see our boys again. Chet is amazing; didn't realize he had that kind of speed to run up and down the court as fast as he did. I'm old enough to remember Mr. Alcindor at UCLA, and I don't think he was quite as fast (but just as tall).
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    Watching Chet breaks your brain a little. Bringing the ball up court, going behind his back in both directions through traffic was hard to process. It's pretty incredible. Timme going coast to coast at guard speed was also great. I think those two should be called the tequila brothers with all the headaches they will cause opposing coaches this year.

    Bolton is as fast as advertised and showed restraint in hunting shots. He had clear opportunities and was looking to pass. He's showing good character so far.

    I love how quick and long our guards are on defense. There are going to be many steals and blocks on the perimeter this year.

    Even though most weren't dropping, 3's were shot with confidence which will be important. We'll have the rebounding to make it worth while.

    We have some horses in Watson, Perry, and Gregg. Less pressure on Chet and Timme for foul trouble and should always be fresh. Watson looked comfortable out there.

    We are young. I hope everyone likes turnovers because they are coming. Few will have to find the right amount of leash to give these guys early. They need room to grow but there are just more freshman this year than just Suggs (who was very poised for a freshman).

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    I know I'm in the minority....scrimmages against these smaller weaker teams should be avoided. Is the money really worth it for these teams when how many players from Eastern Oregon were injured in the first half? 3?

    Bigger stronger faster players can create dangerous play against weaker competition IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    I know I'm in the minority....scrimmages against these smaller weaker teams should be avoided. Is the money really worth it for these teams when how many players from Eastern Oregon were injured in the first half? 3?

    Bigger stronger faster players can create dangerous play against weaker competition IMHO.

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    This team has loads of talent. Some thoughts on yesterday's game and some predictions. The offense seemed a bit disjointed at times and we were able to have our way with Eastern Oregon because of our overwhelming talent, our size versus theirs, and their best player got hurt early on. You can see the talent on this team but it is going to take awhile for them to learn how to play together. Against a bigger more talented D-1 team - it would have been more difficult. my biggest concern is the 3 point shooting by the guards. They will score tons down low in the post with their size and passing ability. But a good team that plays a zone defense could exploit their lack of scoring from beyond the arc. Bolton, Nembhard and the two freshman guards do not seem to be very good from deep. I rank their shooting from deep - Strawther then Chet then Gregg but nobody hits more than 38% from deep. Kaden Perry will be as good as Brandon Clarke starting next year. I think this team will lose a couple games early in the non-conference since they will still be learning how to play together but this team will get better and better as the year goes on and will go to the final 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    I know I'm in the minority....scrimmages against these smaller weaker teams should be avoided. Is the money really worth it for these teams when how many players from Eastern Oregon were injured in the first half? 3?

    Bigger stronger faster players can create dangerous play against weaker competition IMHO.

    GO ZAGS!
    Whatever EOU earned to show up for this game wasn't worth it. Just after losing the life of a 21 year-old father of a toddler in an EOU football game, they lost the heart of their team to injury for who knows how long. They suffered humiliation on the scoreboard and on the court. Why? To show Zag fans that Graves & Lang would be all stars in EOU's conference? Let's say, and it's easily imagined, that during the debacle, Holmgren came down with a rebound and landed (on one of any five smaller EUO players' feet), suffered a high ankle sprain, and was sidelined til January, or the rest of the season. Bet everyone's singing a different tune about this "game" then. Called the blues.

    Anyone, everyone, all of us, could accept something like that happening in practice, in a real game, even in a secret scrimmage against a worthy opponent. But this was nothing more than a money-grubbing, public exercise of preening hubris, to the betterment of no one. Karma was at the game, watching, wincing, making plans.

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    On one play were Timme went the length of the court with the ball it seem to me that he was moving a lot faster than I’ve ever seen him when did that last year. He truly look like a guard almost he was going so quickly. Did anyone else notice that ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    I know I'm in the minority....scrimmages against these smaller weaker teams should be avoided. Is the money really worth it for these teams when how many players from Eastern Oregon were injured in the first half? 3?

    Bigger stronger faster players can create dangerous play against weaker competition IMHO.

    GO ZAGS!
    In past years, the Zags have played closed-door scrimmages against top-tier Division I teams, such as Michigan State or Texas. I suspect that those scrimmages are far more valuable than this was.
    Gonzaga has defeated Baylor, Illinois, Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, UCLA, Arizona, Creighton, Oklahoma, Florida State, Texas A&M, Oregon, Iowa, West Virginia, Auburn, USC, and Washington over just the past three seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Centre Mad Man View Post
    In past years, the Zags have played closed-door scrimmages against top-tier Division I teams, such as Michigan State or Texas. I suspect that those scrimmages are far more valuable than this was.
    I have to agree scrimmages in the past were a much better indicator of where the team is as the season commences...this was competition and did give the offence, defence and 3/4 trap an opportunity to work out some kinks but I did see so many layups by EOU...the defence will have to tighten up, especially in our 2nd game against UT, which is also loaded with excellent players...

    IF Strawther can score against UT like he did against EOU, then there is hope as he replaces CK who could score a bucket when we needed...

    Out 3pt shooting is suspect at this point and hopefully our next two outings prove we are much better than indicated Sunday...

    There is just so much talent on this team and minutes are going to be tough to earn...Perry & Gregg are going to be very good players and by mid-season, contributors on both ends of the court...

    Looking forward to this season...

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    Nothing has been said about Hunter Sallis, and I feel he played a really good game. He was one of our prize recruits, and he showed it in this scrimmage. He was up and down the court like a Jackrabbit, and slashing inside for layups and dunks. He was someone I noticed from time to time whom I felt has a lot to offer the Zags.

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    Reborn Sallis looked great in the tune up game I agree. He was decisive, looked fluid and was scrappy. We looked jumbled at times as expected but we will have a real test soon playing athletic and physical teams. I do think Strawther will plug into Kispert type roll nicely but will have some bumps along the way. By mid season this team will be clicking.
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    - Lots of interchangeable pieces and plenty of talent to be scary good.
    - Much better rim protection this year from multiple players.
    - This team, if they fully buy in, could be elite defensively… once they
    tighten up their ball screen coverages and communicate better on when
    to switch/when not to switch, they could be suffocating.
    - The rim protection should allow/encourage the guards and wings to
    challenge the 3 point shooters, and force them off the line.
    - 8 turnovers in an opening exhibition game is very impressive.

    - One obvious concern is that our 4 guards who will dominate the
    PT in the backcourt we’re a combine 3-6 at FT Line, and 0-10 from Three.
    That has to remedied… I expect it will be remedied. Sure hope so.
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    Last Years Team fired right up on offense and ran smoothly on all 8 cylinders....a joy to watch the passing and the transition game.....this team will be different on offense but if they play defense to their potential.....they could go far....waiting to see how they perform against Texas...

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    Agree with everything except the shooting. It was not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upan8th View Post
    Whatever EOU earned to show up for this game wasn't worth it. Just after losing the life of a 21 year-old father of a toddler in an EOU football game, they lost the heart of their team to injury for who knows how long. They suffered humiliation on the scoreboard and on the court. Why? To show Zag fans that Graves & Lang would be all stars in EOU's conference? Let's say, and it's easily imagined, that during the debacle, Holmgren came down with a rebound and landed (on one of any five smaller EUO players' feet), suffered a high ankle sprain, and was sidelined til January, or the rest of the season. Bet everyone's singing a different tune about this "game" then. Called the blues.

    Anyone, everyone, all of us, could accept something like that happening in practice, in a real game, even in a secret scrimmage against a worthy opponent. But this was nothing more than a money-grubbing, public exercise of preening hubris, to the betterment of no one. Karma was at the game, watching, wincing, making plans.
    Well you have another one coming up Friday, all because Gonzaga wanted Few to coach verse texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagsfanforlife View Post
    Well you have another one coming up Friday, all because Gonzaga wanted Few to coach verse texas.
    Get over it already...PLEASE! It is over and life has continued and hope you catch up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    Get over it already...PLEASE! It is over and life has continued and hope you catch up...
    1) it was a pathetic response by the University who at least I expect more of.
    2) If you are going to complain about the exhibition games, we typically only play 1. Pointing out that we wouldnt be playing anymore if it wasnt for Coach's DUI and the university wanting to allow him to coach vs Texas. Doesn't take a genius to realize that.

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    Except that there is nothing special about the three games suspension. It’s not like it’s a mandatory three so they made another exhibition game to have him back sooner. You realize that, right? “They” could’ve just done the usual schedule and suspended him two games if they were so conniving. But I get the feeling you’ve made up your mind so you’ll only see things in a way that fits your narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagsfanforlife View Post
    Well you have another one coming up Friday, all because Gonzaga wanted Few to coach verse texas.
    It was a 4 basketball "event" suspension, which would have most likely included closed doors scrimmages. I don't understand why people think that exhibition games were scheduled to accommodate his suspension. Either way, he would be coaching against Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post

    I haven't seen the stats but I think the outside shooting was good. Strawther was very accurate, and so was Holmgren, Greg and even Watson. Our bigs can shoot the three. Coming into the season I wondered how good this team could shoot from the outside. So far it's impressive.
    Gonzaga was 7-for-24 (29%) and Watson was 0-1. Gregg was 1-3. "Very accurate"?

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    Responding to comments about injuries to 3 Eastern Oregon players. Their leading scorer Mccullough (1st quarter perhaps) was injured when he abruptly pulled up to make a high short backboard shot over a Zag player. Looks like he twisted his knee somehow did not see no contact when the shot was made. One player that people may have missed but just after the halftime Buzzer a Eastern Oregon player was walking down the court with blood streaming from his temple area he got a gash on the side of his head. I did not identify the player (did not see how he got injured), but did not notice a player with a gash or bandage on the side of his head on the court in the 2nd half, so perhaps he stayed on bench in 2nd half, don't know. The 3rd player from Eastern Oregon injured was Pennington in 2nd half he threw his arm in front of Timme trying to get the ball around the half court line with Timme moving slowly along. Pendleton was in tremendous pain looked like was gripping his elbow, it was speculated best case scenario dislocated Elbow, worst case scenario broke his arm.

    Of note of their regular starters Mccullough (Knee injury) played 5 minutes then injured. Chandler (starter) perhaps the guy that had the gash in his temple played only 12 minutes. Pennington (Elbow Injury) a backup guard weighs only 155 pounds played 10 minutes. Another starter who really looked overmatched Malatare played 13 minutes, seem like of the 5 shots he attempted at least 3 were blocked. In the 2nd half Eastern Oregon played almost all backups that were more stocky and heavier built and they actually looked much better against the bigger bodies of the Zags. The 3 guards I mentioned (Mccullough, Malatare,Pennington) none weighed more than 175 pounds, and all 3 were 6'0 or below. I liked Eastern Oregon big bench players including guards, they hung tough physically against the Zags.

    The only dirty player on the court was Eastern Oregons #23 Valdez who got called for a technical foul and made another dirty foul that was not called a technical. He was a starter he only played 10 minutes, looks like he came into the game with a bandaged finger, and for whatever reason he was caught taking out his overzealous aggression on 2 different Zags, in my opinion he should have been tossed from the game. But his coach wisely pulled #23 Valdez seeing his nasty dirty play.

    Am sure none of the Eastern Oregon players despite their injuries regret getting a chance to measure their talents against the big boy Zags. Heck they will probably be bragging years down the line they once played a number 1 rated team. Especially the Eastern Oregon subs who looked good scoring some points, and perhaps will get them more immediate playing time in the future based upon their individual performances against the Zags.

    Chets ball handling skills blew me away, its going to be fun watching him this year.
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