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    Gary Parrish
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    FIRST TEAM

    G: Collin Gillespie (Villanova)
    G: Johnny Juzang UCLA)
    F: Paolo Banchero (Duke)
    F: Drew Timme (Gonzaga)
    C: Kofi Cockburn (Illinois)

    Drew Timme | Gonzaga | F | 6-10 | Jr.
    The most recognizable returning player in college basketball. (Will that 'stache be back, too?) Timme enters his junior season as the cog to a Gonzaga team that went 31-1 last season, finished No. 1 in KenPom and had one of the most efficient per-possession offenses of the past 20 years. Timme averaged 19.0 points, 7.0 rebounds, 2.3 assists and shot 65.5% from the field. How he plays off freshman teammate Chet Holmgren -- also represented as a CBS Sports All-American -- will determine how great Gonzaga can be. There is no more automatic of a bucket inside 10 feet than this guy, who has gotten much better through two seasons. If he continues his ascent at a similar pace, no one will outplay him as the best college basketball hooper in 2021-22.

    Chet Holmgren | Gonzaga | C | 7-0 | Fr.
    The No. 1 prospect in the Class of 2021, Chet Holmgren is a 7-footer with an outside shot who figures to be a top-five pick in the 2022 NBA Draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdawg View Post
    Gary Parrish
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    Preseason All-America teams have published.

    FIRST TEAM

    G: Collin Gillespie (Villanova)
    G: Johnny Juzang UCLA)
    F: Paolo Banchero (Duke)
    F: Drew Timme (Gonzaga)
    C: Kofi Cockburn (Illinois)

    Drew Timme | Gonzaga | F | 6-10 | Jr.
    The most recognizable returning player in college basketball. (Will that 'stache be back, too?) Timme enters his junior season as the cog to a Gonzaga team that went 31-1 last season, finished No. 1 in KenPom and had one of the most efficient per-possession offenses of the past 20 years. Timme averaged 19.0 points, 7.0 rebounds, 2.3 assists and shot 65.5% from the field. How he plays off freshman teammate Chet Holmgren -- also represented as a CBS Sports All-American -- will determine how great Gonzaga can be. There is no more automatic of a bucket inside 10 feet than this guy, who has gotten much better through two seasons. If he continues his ascent at a similar pace, no one will outplay him as the best college basketball hooper in 2021-22.

    Chet Holmgren | Gonzaga | C | 7-0 | Fr.
    The No. 1 prospect in the Class of 2021, Chet Holmgren is a 7-footer with an outside shot who figures to be a top-five pick in the 2022 NBA Draft.

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ented-players/
    I find Paolo Banchero (Duke) being listed rather confusing because he played against Chet this past summer and Chet easily out played him and Paolo could not defend him...but hey, there are more knowledgable basketball minds out there and Parrish is one of them but still confusing to me...Dickie didn't have either on his list of the top 15 players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    I find Paolo Banchero (Duke) being listed rather confusing because he played against Chet this past summer and Chet easily out played him and Paolo could not defend him...but hey, there are more knowledgable basketball minds out there and Parrish is one of them but still confusing to me...Dickie didn't have either on his list of the top 15 players...
    Well it's Coach K's last season so it is probably required to have at least one Duke player

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    I find Paolo Banchero (Duke) being listed rather confusing because he played against Chet this past summer and Chet easily out played him and Paolo could not defend him...but hey, there are more knowledgable basketball minds out there and Parrish is one of them but still confusing to me...Dickie didn't have either on his list of the top 15 players...
    It's Duke.

    Dickie V doesn't have freshmen on his preseason teams. Never has.

    Somewhat in defense of Parrish, Banchero will probably be asked to carry a bigger load for Duke than Chet will for the Zags. Chet's numbers may not be as eye popping because his teammates will get plenty.

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    Banchero was surprising. Otherwise pretty solid for pre-season list.

    Every year you see that one player where you go "he's still in college -- seems like he's been playing forever." Gillespie is now the poster child for that thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    I find Paolo Banchero (Duke) being listed rather confusing because he played against Chet this past summer and Chet easily out played him and Paolo could not defend him...but hey, there are more knowledgable basketball minds out there and Parrish is one of them but still confusing to me...Dickie didn't have either on his list of the top 15 players...
    Duke next to his name is the only reason he is listed. Name one consensus #1 player that somehow ends up on the 3rd team preseason AA list while the dude that hovered around 2-4 ends up first team. Fine, whatever. Hope Chet uses this as extra motivation when the Zags play Duke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    Duke next to his name is the only reason he is listed. Name one consensus #1 player that somehow ends up on the 3rd team preseason AA list while the dude that hovered around 2-4 ends up first team. Fine, whatever. Hope Chet uses this as extra motivation when the Zags play Duke.
    Don’t know about that. Banchero was said by many to be more college ready throughout the recruiting process because he is more physically developed. Chet was said to be the better long term prospect because of his upside. Paolo reminds me of 3rd year Rui, but with a better understanding of the game. Plus he doesn’t have the consensus preseason player of the year playing next to him. Chet may be overshadowed a bit by Timme, but I think he will fit in perfect with the pieces GU has. I’m sure Chet would take 3rd team AA and a national championship if it all comes together.

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    Timme, Juzan, Cockburn headline AP preseason All-Americans

    Timme was the lone unanimous selection by a 63-person media panel on The Associated Press preseason All-America team released Monday.

    “I love it here. It’s a great place. It’s where I want to be," Timme said. "When I do something, I feel like I have to be the best version of myself and I felt like there are some things I needed to work on in order to accomplish that. Coach pushes me every day, we had some talks and I felt like it was the best move to me, the most logical move, especially with talking with coach and my family.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    I find Paolo Banchero (Duke) being listed rather confusing because he played against Chet this past summer and Chet easily out played him and Paolo could not defend him...but hey, there are more knowledgable basketball minds out there and Parrish is one of them but still confusing to me...Dickie didn't have either on his list of the top 15 players...
    Quote Originally Posted by bdmiller7 View Post
    Don’t know about that. Banchero was said by many to be more college ready throughout the recruiting process because he is more physically developed. Chet was said to be the better long term prospect because of his upside. Paolo reminds me of 3rd year Rui, but with a better understanding of the game. Plus he doesn’t have the consensus preseason player of the year playing next to him. Chet may be overshadowed a bit by Timme, but I think he will fit in perfect with the pieces GU has. I’m sure Chet would take 3rd team AA and a national championship if it all comes together.
    Head to head, Chet outplayed him. That should count the most, in my opinion.
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    Paolo is incredible. He has added shot creation to his game and is in for a huge season. We wanted him badly and almost got him. No need to be surprised or knock any of his preseason accolades.

    Chet is going to be awesome but is going to have a different offensive role than Paolo. Either will be a fine choice at number 1 next summer and I'm guessing they will form a consensus top 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagfan08 View Post
    Paolo is incredible. He has added shot creation to his game and is in for a huge season. We wanted him badly and almost got him. No need to be surprised or knock any of his preseason accolades.

    Chet is going to be awesome but is going to have a different offensive role than Paolo. Either will be a fine choice at number 1 next summer and I'm guessing they will form a consensus top 2.
    If we didn’t have Chet, I’m thinking we would have gotten Paolo. That’s how close it was at one point. Both will be great. Paolo might be better out the gate. We’ll see. I’ll take Chet.

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    So . . . where's Nemhard? An ultra-savvy, well-seasoned, team leader, starting point guard on a consensus pre-season #1 ranked national championship contender is replaced by a dude coming back from career-threatening ACL surgery? Good luck to that young man, but I don't think so. What does Andrew have to do to get some respect? These preseason polls can be, often are, just . . . comical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upan8th View Post
    So . . . where's Nemhard? An ultra-savvy, well-seasoned, team leader, starting point guard on a consensus pre-season #1 ranked national championship contender is replaced by a dude coming back from career-threatening ACL surgery? Good luck to that young man, but I don't think so. What does Andrew have to do to get some respect? These preseason polls can be, often are, just . . . comical.
    Score more. If he averaged 15 ppg he’d be on the list. Instead he’ll be ridiculously steady and guide the #1 offense yet again. I’m really excited to watch him at the point. He won’t have the jaw-dropping plays Suggs had, but every game he has 1-2 passes that I have to rewind and watch again.

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    Not sure there are enough points to go around for Andrew to get 15 a game. How 'bout 13 points, top three in the country in assists, and six boards pg? Ah, well, as they say, it's not how you start, but how you finish that matters. Looking for all WCC, all West Coast, and 2d or 3d team AA for Andrew by the time all's said & done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Head to head, Chet outplayed him. That should count the most, in my opinion.
    In what context did these 2 match up and when did Chet best Paolo?

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    At the end of the season I don't think Banchero will be on the list. Lot of hype but no substance yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StatZag View Post
    In what context did these 2 match up and when did Chet best Paolo?
    It was this past summer, the teams on which they were playing matched up...don't remember the date or names of the teams but sure someone has a better memory than I and can pull it up...saw clips of the game here

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagfan1 View Post
    At the end of the season I don't think Banchero will be on the list. Lot of hype but no substance yet.
    Lot of hype but no substance yet is true for every freshman. If you haven’t seen Paolo play recently, that’s fine. But he’s one of the best players in college basketball.

    I’m all for being pumped about Chet and wanting to prop up Chet every chance we get. He chose Gonzaga, I’ll be a fan for a long time. But none of that means we have to look to slight Paolo, who is really good, will have the offensive role to produce, and has an NBA ready body right now.

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