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    Quote Originally Posted by bballbeachbum View Post
    would thoroughly enjoy seeing Texas move and still suck like they have for decades in their power/money grab attempt



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    I feel bad for OK State. Greed is the name of the game here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 229SintoZag View Post
    I think this may be a case of pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. There is a point where the SEC gets too big and there are diminishing returns. The SEC can only put two teams in its football title game. And only crown one champion. Texas has had trouble being relevant in the Big 12 for a couple decades now. I can’t see how playing in the much tougher SEC helps them.

    Meanwhile Oklahoma has been to the playoff four times in the past 6 years. I assure you they won’t make it 4 of their first 6 in the SEC.
    You raise good points but I still think the pros far outweigh the cons for both UT and OU. Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing it. I think the move helps UT keep Texas recruits in-state, especially in the era of NIL. The ESPN coverage and new tv deal will benefit both teams. No more being relegated to 11 a.m. kickoffs for most games. Lastly, the CFP changes reduce the importance of conference championships in football. If you are the 3rd, 4th, or maybe even 5th best team in the SEC, you'll be playing in the CFP.



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    Quote Originally Posted by zagfan1 View Post
    I feel bad for OK State. Greed is the name of the game here.

    Oklahoma State and Iowa are headed to the ACC, Nebraska to the Big 12 IMHO. The Big 12 will cease to exist as a conference. Kansas, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Kansas State will be left holding the bag here.

    I can see the SEC expanding again to add North Carolina and Penn State because they aren't stopping at 16 teams. This is all about the Power 2 creating the rules and dismantling the NCAA. I expect the Power 2 to expand the number of scholarships for baseball, football, and basketball for starters. The Conference that is completely destroyed right now i actually the PAC because they do not have any star power left to poach. Gonzaga is in a very difficult position but in the end I see the Zags leaving the WCC to survive because staying in the WCC is unfortunately a downward spiral because the NCAA Tourney will be a thing of the past in 5 years.

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    Here's my crazy $.02: Kansas drops football, joins Zags and other select basketball schools, joining with the Big East to form the Coast to Coast Conference. Problem is, there aren't many basketball schools West of the Continental Divide to whet the appetite of the Big East.

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    Roth discusses the BIG East possibilities in the Sac and Jack Interview.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    Roth discusses the BIG East possibilities in the Sac and Jack Interview.....
    I need to listen to that interview...thanks bart! BTW, how's life treating you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    I need to listen to that interview...thanks bart! BTW, how's life treating you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    Here's my crazy $.02: Kansas drops football, joins Zags and other select basketball schools, joining with the Big East to form the Coast to Coast Conference. Problem is, there aren't many basketball schools West of the Continental Divide to whet the appetite of the Big East.
    Doable. Spokane to San Diego is 1,300 miles, to Chicago 1,800 miles. The trick would be to find 2-3 other aspirational WCC schools to join a BE West. Add DePaul and Loyola from Chicago and others from Midwest, such as Creighton, SLO, Marquette, maybe Wichita. Play Friday Sunday. Maybe one or 2 trips east to play other BE schools. Conference championship still at Garden but prelim rounds for the west in maybe SLC or Denver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Doable. Spokane to San Diego is 1,300 miles, to Chicago 1,800 miles. The trick would be to find 2-3 other aspirational WCC schools to join a BE West. Add DePaul and Loyola from Chicago and others from Midwest, such as Creighton, SLO, Marquette, maybe Wichita. Play Friday Sunday. Maybe one or 2 trips east to play other BE schools. Conference championship still at Garden but prelim rounds for the west in maybe SLC or Denver.
    I guarantee their basketball fanbase would view this conference as a huge downgrade from the Big 12 but unless the Big 10 extends an offer they may not have any better options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Doable. Spokane to San Diego is 1,300 miles, to Chicago 1,800 miles. The trick would be to find 2-3 other aspirational WCC schools to join a BE West. Add DePaul and Loyola from Chicago and others from Midwest, such as Creighton, SLO, Marquette, maybe Wichita. Play Friday Sunday. Maybe one or 2 trips east to play other BE schools. Conference championship still at Garden but prelim rounds for the west in maybe SLC or Denver.
    Why not play the Championship game at the new Seattle Center?

    I know, I know. People from New York think that the country stops at Pittsburgh.
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    It is prudent to never say never......but......the Eagles reunion album was called " Hell Freezes Over ".....

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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Why not play the Championship game at the new Seattle Center?

    I know, I know. People from New York think that the country stops at Pittsburgh.
    There’s always Jerry World In Arlington. The one thing DFW has going for it are the direct flights into DFW airport. Not likely, with the paucity of Texas schools that would be in this new conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    There’s always Jerry World In Arlington. The one thing DFW has going for it are the direct flights into DFW airport. Not likely, with the paucity of Texas schools that would be in this new conference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    Go Zags!!!

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    Personally, which is the only way I can possibly see things, it will all work out...one way or another. Worrying about it now won't help. It doesn't seem as though the folks in charge of the big schools and conferences could really believe that sacrificing the other 300 +- schools in D1 could possibly be a long term, good thing.

    The new AD and Few will do what they have to to keep the Zags relevant, unless there is nothing they can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Why not play the Championship game at the new Seattle Center?

    I know, I know. People from New York think that the country stops at Pittsburgh.
    No, it stops at the Hudson.

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    Zags are not leaving the WCC, even if BYU bolts. They used their flirtation with the MWC to better their allotment in the WCC. There is nowhere else to go. They are aligned perfectly. The NCAA tournament would lose money hand over fist if they left out teams from smaller leagues. Football is the ultimate cash cow, but the NCAA tourney w/out COVID-19 brings in too much cash for the NCAA to set it up like football. Betting drives the tournament (the NCAA knows it), and picking the upsets is a big part of that. 25% of all American workers are involved in office pools. CBS and Turner want Gonzaga in the tourney, but they also want Morehead State, VCU and Mercer. It is TV that is really calling the shots. The NCAA licks their boots.

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    We are all Doomed....

    Go Zags!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickMick View Post
    Ever hear of the boiled frog theory? You know....small incremental changes over time that are hardly noticeable until one day you wake up and say to yourself "How the Hell did we get here?" How many of you older folks have looked at your insurance copay bill and said that aloud? It didn't happen over night.

    You folks are in for a good dose of boiled frog and I'm not talking about football. Gonzaga's lofty basketball status won't change over night, but you have not thought this through if you think this will only affect football.

    I'll start with simple ones. Do you think the NCAA will perpetually remain as the governing body of college athletics? If not, how far into the future? If the NCAA eventually ceases to wield power, who will comprise the selection committee for a post season tournament?

    In my opinion, the ruling body of college athletics is currently the SEC commissioner's office. That office will dictate the future of college athletics. As it is doing right now. That office will determine if we proceed with a 68 team post season tournament. Perhaps they will but I don't like the odds. Even if they do, you can be sure that financial overcompensation will be extorted. It is what Texas does. The same arguments that Gonzaga used to leverage the WCC will be used by a couple of SEC programs and not just against conference members, but against the entirety of college athletics. The NCAA is helpless to dictate otherwise.
    I'm not suggesting we ignore realities. My point is conference alignment is driven by maximizing revenues. It doesn't make sense to break up the NCAA basketball model because it's making the most money. I think that's why it survives regardless of what the CFP does, and that's a good thing for little, plucky Gonzaga.

    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Personally, which is the only way I can possibly see things, it will all work out...one way or another. Worrying about it now won't help. It doesn't seem as though the folks in charge of the big schools and conferences could really believe that sacrificing the other 300 +- schools in D1 could possibly be a long term, good thing.

    The new AD and Few will do what they have to to keep the Zags relevant, unless there is nothing they can do.

    When a chunk of sky hits me, I will worry about the sky falling.
    We thought the sky was falling when we lost Dan Monson (or I would guess the collective "we" thought that). We thought the sky was falling when BYU joined the conference. We thought the sky was falling when we lost to Wichita State. We survived all that. Maybe losing Lloyd, Roth, the introduction of NIL, and Conference realignment all in the same year will be enough to finally break the Zags, but it hasn't yet.
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    Go Zags!!!

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    I'm not so worried about this. Zags are No 1 again this year. We were last year as well. I do think TV or whatever is the vehicle will fully understand that GU is a huge draw. We'll be successful no matter iwhere land or stay put. Those Power 5 schools will always go for the $ even they they say they're changing conferences . I suppose we do too to a certain extent. We're doing well now though. Why change the formula?? Someday maybe but now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    I'm not so worried about this. Zags are No 1 again this year. We were last year as well. I do think TV or whatever is the vehicle will fully understand that GU is a huge draw. We'll be successful no matter iwhere land or stay put. Those Power 5 schools will always go for the $ even they they say they're changing conferences . I suppose we do too to a certain extent. We're doing well now though. Why change the formula?? Someday maybe but now?
    This is from Jay Bilas:

    "If I were the SEC and the ACC, I'd merge. And I'd form, essentially, the NFL and the NBA, and have a 32-team conference. You'd essentially only have to play each other, and it would be the dominant force in the college sports landscape. You're going to see the 'top teams' playing only each other going forward."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    No, it stops at the Hudson.
    Was that the Hudson with a straight six? I saw one here in Spokane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Was that the Hudson with a straight six? I saw one here in Spokane!
    The Hudson with a straight six was called the Hornet and driven by Marshall Teague dominated NASCAR in the 50's with their step down design.....you should have bought it as collector cars have been a very good investment for about 30 years....one recently sold for about 1.3 million.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    The Hudson with a straight six was called the Hornet and driven by Marshall Teague dominated NASCAR in the 50's with their step down design.....you should have bought it as collector cars have been a very good investment for about 30 years....one recently sold for about 1.3 million.....
    Do not be shocked to see Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, and Virginia reach out to the SEC in the coming weeks as conference realignment picks up more speed.

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