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    After watching Chet in FIBA a couple things stand out to me:

    1) Chet's High IQ on the court is obvious -- seems to be able to play (offensively) anywhere on the floor and be comfortable;
    2) Smart team defense player --- he's a good helper and might set the single season blocks records -- also plays within himself and doesn't pick up stupid fouls --- did I mention the shot contest ability on the perimeter which is unreal;
    3) His playmaking might be his best and most underrated skill - great high/low passer and great at hitting the back door pass --- seems like he's rather make a play for someone else vs. iso and score for himself -- real team player;
    4) He is doesn't get too high or too low --- he is never rattled -- just trusts his game and plays hard --- I like how hard he runs in transition;
    5) Might be the ULTIMATE GLUE GUY -- and this is no knock -- he's the kind of guy who's mere presence (and high skill in every area) will really elevate every other guy on the floor;

    Projected stats at GU: 14.2 ppg, 6.7 rpg (would be higher if he hunted off rebs but he is a perimeter player and prefers to space and shoot 3's ala Tillie), 4.1 apg, 1.4 spg, and 2.2 bpg --- 67% from 2pt and 37% from 3 and 84% from the line.

    Chet is going to do it all and will have some monster games --- could easily see a triple double or two, along with a couple 20/20 pt/reb games.

    Can't wait to see how it plays out with him this year!!

    Curious what others see as his projected numbers this coming year....

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    Watching the clip vs Canada when he's leading the break & executes a behind-the-back bounce pass; I literally laughed out loud.
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    A highly skilled, unselfish dervish with the ball, and a game changer on defense..

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    The best part of what Im seeing with Chet is that he's got Timme, Gregg , Kaden (hopefully) ( hope Watson comes around) to support him in all phases. Timme had very little and we all knew it. And yet Timme became an AA due his skills and guts. Amazing kid Drew. With him and Chet down low playing defense we should be solid. Both scoring and defense. Chet's the guy we needed.

    I don't know what most think but I believe we'll have the best back court in the nation by Jan. Most talent right now. I do think with Andrew, Sallis, Hickman and Bolton, to feed the horses and play defense ( an unknown with newcomers), we'll go as deep as last year. We need a tough OOC to let the country know we deserve a no 1 ranking and a top seed.

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    Remember the Kelley Olynyk story coming in? A point guard as a youngster that grew out of his position and had to learn a new skill set consummate with his new length? It took a redshirt, but Kelley became the first (of a short list) of Zags that put up historically good efficiency stats at the D1 level as a center (primary post player). Further, albeit shy of Stockton's legendary NBA status, Kelley has been one of the most successful NBA players of Zag pedigree.

    https://collegebasketball.nbcsports....proved-player/

    Chet is roughly that same story coming in except that he didn't grow out of his position. He is still a guard in a center's body. I actually believe that if he demanded to play the guard position as a prerequisite to committing, there are several high major institutions that would have accommodated him.

    Now ponder an "Olynyk" equivalent level of player development for Chet. Except, there will be no redshirt for Holmgren. He will be gone before we see the full "Olynyk" equivalent transition. Regardless, what he brings to the table for just one year is still next level and I expect his efficiency stats to top both Olynyk and Clarke. In other words, historically good offensive efficiency statistics. Remember that Olynyk and Clarke were not freshman when they put up those amazingly efficient seasons.

    And then you add Timme to the offensive efficiency equation...........................
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    Chet is like that ridiculous imaginary player you create in a video game that does everything well, with every attribute cranked up to 9 or 10. He is a really good shooter who is tall and can get his shot off on anybody, with the skills to not only drive by you and get to the hoop if you close out too hard, but also has enough balls skills to break someone you with his dribble (see: the Steph Curry highlight on Youtube or wherever). He's unselfish and sees the floor well, too, so if help comes, he will find an open player. And, as mentioned already, he seems to have the ability to guard positions 1-5.

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    All really good stuff. The one question for Chet, and our team in general, is how will he/they handle a Baylor-like, tough, in your grill defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogan View Post
    All really good stuff. The one question for Chet, and our team in general, is how will he/they handle a Baylor-like, tough, in your grill defense.
    I would invite a big man to do this to Chet on the perimeter. because it would play to one of his strengths and he’ll likely just go by him. Also, it will open things up for Drew. I think that where he would suffer is down low, but that’s not really his game. It seems that he likes to be active on the perimeter then flow down to the hoop as the offensive possession dictates.

    Someone made a comparison to Tillie and I think that is good for multiple reasons. He seems to be a problem-solving, Swiss Army knife guy from possession to possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogan View Post
    All really good stuff. The one question for Chet, and our team in general, is how will he/they handle a Baylor-like, tough, in your grill defense.
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    I know they are not going to, but if they would sign that 6'9'' guy from Oral Roberts to go along with Chet and Timme, next years team would be ungaurgable. That guy can flat out shoot the 3 pointer, and is a pretty good rebounder as well. That front line would be the best in the country and it wouldn't even be close. I hope Watson improves drastically. If he doesn't, I believe Gregg will pass him on the dept chart.

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    I have not seen Chet Holmgren play yet. But from reading your reviews of him I would compare him to Suggs. Jalen was a special player, and the kind of freshman that we at Gonzaga had not seen before. I feel that Chet will be from the same cut. He will have a huge impact on the team because of who his is as a player. Like Suggs, I believe he's a winner, and that's his greatest strength. He will do what it will take to win games. There will be games that he will Oooo and ahhh us with his intensity and skills, and there will be games where he makes a lot of freshman mistakes. And like Suggs I believe he will lead us to the Final Four. He will not be the dominant scorer, just as Jalen was not; but he will dominate some games on the offensive end like Jalen Suggs did. But from what I have gathered, like Jalen he is going to be a defensive presence on the team which every team needs if they want to go far in March. I really look forward to watching this young man play next year, just as I really looked forward to seeing Jalen Suggs play last year. These are special kind of players, and we are so lucky to be able to have them as part of our family. And just think, the Kennel will be rocking next year, and that's something we haven't seen in awhile.

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    What I saw today makes me believe Chet at the high post and Timme on the low block will be unguardable. Chet can make the 3, drive, and is a great passer from the high post. We saw that with Chet feeding Lofton and hitting back doors from the corner. I just wish Ayayi was still here to run the back door. Hopefully Dom or Julian or one of the new guys can fill that role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    I have not seen Chet Holmgren play yet.
    The time you spent typing this would have been better used watching our #1 overall recruit play. There is tons of footage available on YouTube.

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    This under 19 tourney is a good place to start, 7 games against good competition. Just the finals and consolation game had lots of future lottery picks from the US, Canada, France, and Serbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooner View Post
    The time you spent typing this would have been better used watching our #1 overall recruit play. There is tons of footage available on YouTube.
    Boy You're pretty picky there Scrooner. FYI I have watched enough video to make sensible statements like I made. I meant that I had not seen him play live, which is very different than watching a video. In a way I was trying to compliment for those who saw him play live in the Franc or other games LIVE...I don't mind being criticized but not when its unnecessary. I think you could spend the time you wasted on criticizing me for posting on this thread to doing anything else.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooner View Post
    The time you spent typing this would have been better used watching our #1 overall recruit play. There is tons of footage available on YouTube.
    Unnecessary comment.

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    As mentioned elsewhere, the Zags have had four players make the U-17/18/19 (don't remember) teams -- that is, the exclusive five-member All-Star Teams for their respective big-time international tournaments.

    *Shem and *Pangos
    *Ballo and *Ayayi

    And now we have this year's Tournament MVP -- *Chet Holmgren. Ballo of course is now playing for AZ, but what is up with that Wonderful Little School in Eastern Washington?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddwell View Post
    As mentioned elsewhere, the Zags have had four players make the U-17/18/19 (don't remember) teams -- that is, the exclusive five-member All-Star Teams for their respective big-time international tournaments.

    *Shem and *Pangos
    *Ballo and *Ayayi

    And now we have this year's Tournament MVP -- *Chet Holmgren. Ballo of course is now playing for AZ, but what is up with that Wonderful Little School in Eastern Washington?



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    Ballo is 2 time, he was actually on the U17 tournament team in 2018 and the U19 tournament team in 2019. Solid showing again this year, but no awards.

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    I wonder if Chet will be anything like Kareem (Lew) when he was a youngster. Both are tall and lanky; now all Chet needs is a skyhook shot! No goggles though.
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    This tourney was great for him and while that U19 team is talented... what Chet is going to be surrounded with this coming season is infinitely better. Timme/Watson/Holmgren combo will border on unfair to other teams. I also think, with his basketball IQ, give him time to fully integrate into the offense and I think he will become the superstar we are all expecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SorenTodd45 View Post
    I wonder if Chet will be anything like Kareem (Lew) when he was a youngster. Both are tall and lanky; now all Chet needs is a skyhook shot! No goggles though.
    I'd say their games are just about polar opposites. Kareem played strictly in the post and Chet plays like a big guard. (Wooden would probably have benched him if he tried a dribble drive from 25' away). For an old timer comp, I'd go more w/ Ralph Sampson in terms of playing style. Sampson would have probably fared better in today's game than he did back then, when he was bashed for wanting to make plays on the perimeter.

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    great hands, and those long arms let him keep his dribble low for a guy so tall

    Mr. Intangible, does so many little things well, he's been well coached. agree with the OP

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_x1VjOcclo

    I can't remember seeing a more complete player, at any age. He can post, pass, shoot, run a fast break, face up and dribble, block, steal, and guard. It's crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zagdontzig View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_x1VjOcclo

    I can't remember seeing a more complete player, at any age. He can post, pass, shoot, run a fast break, face up and dribble, block, steal, and guard. It's crazy.
    How about Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan...were you too young to watch any of these play in college and the NBA...

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