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    Default Two observations

    I was reading the police report and reading all of the threads on the cheney situation an a couple of things struck me as odd that no one seams to be talking about.

    Has anyone picked up on the part of the Cheney officers police report where he talks about getting a personal phone call from female EWU basketball player? To me, it appears the Theo and Heytvelt were following her car on their way to her house and she is pleading with this guy to get them out sprung from the traffic stop. Why does a EWU basketball player have the personal cell phone number of a Cheney cop? There was one thread about all the GU players being drug tested this week, shouldn't EWU be testing there players since I doubt those shroom brownies were all for Theo and Josh.

    Secondly, everyone talks about Josh pleading out, which is all fine and good since it was a first offence, but isn't there another option. I know it would be narcing, but I think the Cheney police and the EWU police would be very interested to find out where Josh got the shrooms and were Theo took his "bong hit"

    These are just my thoughts on a couple of items that have not been talked about. Also, In all this I am glad to see that no one thinks that other basketball players at GU and every other College do not smoke weed on a regular bases. I knew it happen when I went GU and I am not suprised it is happening now.
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    sinto,

    in regards to the EWU thing...

    I had heard on campus that Josh and Theo were on their way to party with the EWU women's team, but I hadn't seen anything documented. Where did you see that?

    Thanks for bringing up some very interesting points.


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    Default here is the source

    Check out page 8 of the detailed police report posted by the Spokesman

    http://www.spokesman.com/docs/022007...ensereport.pdf

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    Default 2 questions

    Josh says the shrooms found in his ride were someone else's. a friend's. Here's hoping if/when he id's the other person, it's not another player.

    my guess is if they actually do belong to someone else, JH will have to identify that person as part of whatever settlement or deal he & his lawyer can negotiate.

    in either case, the real owner, if it's not JH, could also be looking at charges.

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    Doing weed is one thing - one+ ounces of LSD mushrooms is another. Thats why one is a felony and the other is not. "Everybody does weed" has nothing to do with the gravity of the situation and why consequences may be severe.

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    Default Paging SintoZag

    Check your message box--I sent you a response a week or two ago and have heard nothing.


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    I am not sure who you are quoting, but I am would never imply that shrooms and ### are equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamagin View Post
    Josh says the shrooms found in his ride were someone else's. a friend's. Here's hoping if/when he id's the other person, it's not another player.

    my guess is if they actually do belong to someone else, JH will have to identify that person as part of whatever settlement or deal he & his lawyer can negotiate.

    in either case, the real owner, if it's not JH, could also be looking at charges.
    Who the friend might be and whether is was a teammate concerned me, too. He apparently identified the other backpack as belonging to a friend who had borrowed the car. The backpack, which did not have his name on it, did have "Basketball Hall of Fame Challenge" written on it. In addition, this friend apparently is a horticulturist.

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    At first I just assumed Josh had 1/8 ounce and thought, "no big deal". But an ounce? Thank goodness he didn't have any plastic baggies.

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    Sorry - wasn't blasting you Sintozag. There are several on this forum that continue to shrug this off as a MJ thing that "everybody" does. Just venting!

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    I gotcha, I agree that "everybody" is terrible excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SintoZag View Post
    I was reading the police report and reading all of the threads on the cheney situation an a couple of things struck me as odd that no one seams to be talking about.

    Has anyone picked up on the part of the Cheney officers police report where he talks about getting a personal phone call from female EWU basketball player? To me, it appears the Theo and Heytvelt were following her car on their way to her house and she is pleading with this guy to get them out sprung from the traffic stop. Why does a EWU basketball player have the personal cell phone number of a Cheney cop? There was one thread about all the GU players being drug tested this week, shouldn't EWU be testing there players since I doubt those shroom brownies were all for Theo and Josh.

    Secondly, everyone talks about Josh pleading out, which is all fine and good since it was a first offence, but isn't there another option. I know it would be narcing, but I think the Cheney police and the EWU police would be very interested to find out where Josh got the shrooms and were Theo took his "bong hit"

    These are just my thoughts on a couple of items that have not been talked about. Also, In all this I am glad to see that no one thinks that other basketball players at GU and every other College do not smoke weed on a regular bases. I knew it happen when I went GU and I am not suprised it is happening now.
    Also, what is wrong with this picture?

    After the traffic stop, two Eastern Washington University police officers arrived. One of those EWU officers walked to the rear of Heytvelt's vehicle and saw a bag of mushrooms in the cargo area, according to court records.

    The officer said he saw the bag of mushrooms protruding out of a black backpack next to another backpack that had Heytvelt's name and jersey number embroidered on the front.
    From the actual detailed police report:

    Officer Kusler observed in plain view through the rear window, a clear plastic bag of dried mushrooms with caps and stems protruding out of a black backpack.




    I can't see through the rear windows of a Chevy Trailblazer on a sunny day when the sun is directly opposite. Is that police officer really attempting to establish that he saw the details of a plastic bag in the back of a dark SUV with 40% tint in the middle of the night on a dark street?

    I know everyone is trying to cover their own when it comes to lawful search and seizure, but that is ridiculous. There is no way to make out any detail through that kind of tint even with a flash light shining on the window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxdoc View Post
    Doing weed is one thing - one+ ounces of LSD mushrooms is another. Thats why one is a felony and the other is not. "Everybody does weed" has nothing to do with the gravity of the situation and why consequences may be severe.
    The law states any amount of mushrooms is a felony. To be sure, an ounce of shrooms is a lot. Assuming they were Josh's, I'm tempted to ask again, "Why does it seem athletes always get caught with more drugs than any man, woman or child could possibly use by themselves?" Dumb! Regardless, I there'e room for debate about whether a wee bit of the magic stuff should be considered a freakin' felony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SintoZag View Post
    Why does a EWU basketball player have the personal cell phone number of a Cheney cop?
    This was explained in a KREM.com video last night:

    http://www.krem.com/sharedcontent/Vi...2782&catId=218

    It's not so much that she is an EWU basketball player, but that she is a female EWU student. That particular officer was formerly assigned to some sort of rape prevention program on campus, and his personal cell number was made available at various awareness meetings, in dorms, etc. Hundreds of female students had his personal cell number, and were evidently encouraged to have it, and to call him directly. She also texted him while the arrest was in progress, and the message can be viewed in the cited video.

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    Default Set up by the Eagles?

    Only a couple of people know the answer to this question. I'm sure we don't know the whole story. Regardless, they were in Cheney at midnight before a big game. But the consequences between the two scenarios are quite different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamagin View Post
    Josh says the shrooms found in his ride were someone else's. a friend's. Here's hoping if/when he id's the other person, it's not another player.

    my guess is if they actually do belong to someone else, JH will have to identify that person as part of whatever settlement or deal he & his lawyer can negotiate.

    in either case, the real owner, if it's not JH, could also be looking at charges.
    The shrooms were definitely Josh's. A message board is no place to get into it.
    Last edited by lothar98zag; 02-21-2007 at 03:37 PM. Reason: A message board is no place to get into it

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    Amen to that MedZag...


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    Default Ouch

    Not good.
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    Default Two minor points

    A pharmacological footnote --
    The mushrooms contained psilocybin, not lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD). It's a small detail, I know, but the two drugs - while both producing psychoactive experiences - are really very different.

    And while the ounce of mushrooms certainly sounds like a selling quantity, it is a quite standard purchase quantity among users. Not suggesting it's diminutive (there are several trips to Mars in that baggie), only that it's "normal" for the shroomin' crowd.

    I am not in any way advocating the use of any substance (okay, Belgian beer - ya got me) or defending the accused, only trying to positively add context.
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    5 large ripe tomatos, two cans of tomato paste, can of olives, whole minced garlic clove, oregano, 1.5 gallons of tomato sauce, two lbs. italian sweet sausage and 33 grams of shrooms. (Note to self Oregano may be substituted for).

    See it's not really that much considering the context of the recipe.

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    Default call/text

    Ok, so she got his number from the rap prevention class, that's fine and dandy. What he quotes her saying and what was in the text does not sound like something a person in a class with lots of other people says to the teacher of the class. It sounds like what someone with a personal relatioinship would say.

    also, I really got the impression that Josh and Theo where going to her house, I would assume(hopefully wrongly) that they were going there to eat the brownies and take a few more bong hits with some EWU students.

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    i actually found all of that wierd as well. csi says its a sting/setup by stuckeys ex, the cheney pd and campus security ... ok probably not. but i will say that for a ewu female baller to text 5-0 in the manner she did is odd. anyone think JH is covering for her as a dumb, young college guy might do? interesting stuff.

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    The text of the text:

    Dude if there is anything i can do or anything you can tell me...please let me know...i will be up all night.
    I'd say it's a bit strange for a college student to be texting a police officer and prefacing the text with "dude".




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    The thought just occurred to me, JH also might be in a bit of hot water with the mother of his kid as well, partying it up with the EWU girls' team. That might be far worse then the arrest!

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    That call to the baby's momma was probably the most difficult one that he had to make that night. I mean sure his teammates and coaches were upset and angry, but can anything compare to the wrath of an angry mother?

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