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    Default Jays vs. Zags — Head to Head

    Second game in a row for the Zags at Hinkle Fieldhouse for a Sweet Sixteen match, pitting these two Jesuit schools against each other for the third time in four years. The Creighton Bluejays (22-8, 16-7 conf) come to the round of 16 with wins over UCSB (63-62) and Ohio (72-58). As a 5-seed, Creighton is ranked currently #20 on Kenpom (#23 offense, #32 defense). Tempo is #143, so middle of the pack, essentially.

    Their rιsumι includes a one-point loss at #29 Kansas, three wins against tournament team #21 UConn, and a home win against S16 team #11 Villanova.

    "Bad" losses include #119 Butler, #82 Marquette, #65 Xavier, twice to #62 Georgetown (one by 25 points in the BE tourney), and a home loss to #79 Providence. All of these teams are ranked lower than BYU and three of them are ranked lower than St. Mary's on Pomeroy.


    Basic Stats and Four factors:





    The Zags lead substantially in three out of the four factors for winning basketball (bottom four categories on the left column), and the fourth is a wash (turnover %). Creighton is a good shooting team. Notably, they don't get to the line much, and they don't grab many boards on the offensive end. Their free throw % is #329 in the nation, at 64.3%. They average 26 3-pt attempts per game (#27), and make on average almost 10 of them (#17 most 3PM/game nationally).


    Efficiency Stats:





    Barttorvik's site predicts an 86-75 win for the Bulldogs.


    I won't say much more, to encourage discussion.






    sources: teamrankings.com, kenpom.com, barttorvik.com

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    Thanks for the neat comparisons, Cad. Gotta go with the Zags.

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    "Lies, lies & damn statistics." Somebody once said that and now it's an all timer, all-purpose quote. No one remembers who said it (H L Mencken?), but I bet the guy never won a pick-em contest. Not a single one. Sorry sports fans, but numbers DO matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upan8th View Post
    "Lies, lies & damn statistics." Somebody once said that and now it's an all timer, all-purpose quote. No one remembers who said it (H L Mencken?), but I bet the guy never won a pick-em contest. Not a single one. Sorry sports fans, but numbers DO matter.
    I thought Mark Twain said it, but he didn't.

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    It's "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics."

    "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point.
    The phrase derives from the full sentence, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."; it was popularized in the United States by Mark Twain and others, who mistakenly attributed it to the British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli. The phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. The phrase was attributed to an anonymous writer in mid-1891 and later that year to Sir Charles Dilke, but several others have been listed as originators of the quote, including frequent erroneous attribution to Twain himself.



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    Thanks for the stats! I like the numbers favoring the Zags. if the Zags just play their game Creighton should have trouble keeping up.
    It's not the size of the Bulldog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the Bulldog!

    GO ZAGS!!!

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    No undefeated team has lost a Sweet 16 game since 1971, when Marquette fell to Ohio State in the Mideast Region semifinals.

    Eight teams took perfect records into this round since and advanced to the regional finals.


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    Default Tick Tock! It's Game Day!


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    Quote Originally Posted by caduceus View Post
    No undefeated team has lost a Sweet 16 game since 1971, when Marquette fell to Ohio State in the Mideast Region semifinals.

    Eight teams took perfect records into this round since and advanced to the regional finals.

    Well then, we have at least two more games this season...How many of those undefeated SS teams made it to the FF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caduceus View Post
    No undefeated team has lost a Sweet 16 game since 1971, when Marquette fell to Ohio State in the Mideast Region semifinals.

    Eight teams took perfect records into this round since and advanced to the regional finals.

    While I love hearing stuff like this, can we hold off until after the game to celebrate those achievements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StatZag19 View Post
    While I love hearing stuff like this, can we hold off until after the game to celebrate those achievements?

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