Originally Posted by
sonuvazag
Agree that we do have to face these questions and it's not easy.
A couple of things I'm wondering that I don't know:
1. Do I, as a private citizen, have the right to shoot and kill a non-LEO person who points a taser at me?
2. What are the countries that have fewer law enforcement killings doing differently? Are their police officers victimized more often?
1. Yes if you fear for grievous injury or death you have a right to protect yourself and others under the constitution, laws and court cases.......police are held to an even higher level of review as the determination of validity of use of force is not at the level of a citizen but at the higher level of reasonable officer response based upon training, experience and human factors....for example I am 6 feet and 240 pounds with 31 years of law enforcement and thousands hours of trainingif a person 5”8 to and 155 pounds coming at me with fists reasonable officer use of force would dictate under those circumstances lower level of force.......switch it around and have a 6reasonable foot coming at a 5”8 rookie officer just out of academy and the use of a baton, mace or possibly taser would be considered justified
2. Honestly it comes down to violent crimes and engaged action of the subject not willing to come into arrest or compliance is the biggest difference, combined with firearm possession and finally training on perceived vs real threat
We have 5 -7 times the violent crime per year
We arrest 2-4 times violent offenders than other countries
We have 5 to 7 times the number of gun violence than other countries
We are 10.6 per 100,000. Canada. 2.1, Germany .9, UK .3 Japan .2
We make up 5% of the worlds population and have 45% of all firearms in the world
Perceived versus real comes down to changing the laws and court rulings.....reasonable standard allows the perception of potential threat of serious injury/death to react......I firmly believe that one must see a real threat before engaging in the use of deadly force (moral and ethical vs legal). And robust training with dedicated funding for specific training (we have 40 mandatory training topics each year to ensure occurs, so the practical scenario training events, the de-escalation hands on training all suffer unless there is specific and mandated training with funding for it
Now there is a long sociological discussion on why we lead the world in violent crime.....would probably take multiple beers
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