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    Default #1 in ESPN's Way-Too-Early Top 25 today

    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...top-25-2020-21

    Gonzaga moves to the top spot after a few more weeks of comparing rosters, as the Bulldogs are likely to have the best combination of talent, balance, versatility and depth in college basketball next season. Coach Mark Few does have to wait for NBA draft decisions from Joel Ayayi, Corey Kispert and Filip Petrusev, but the rumors of star freshman Jalen Suggs going overseas or playing in the G League have quieted down. Petrusev earned WCC Player of the Year honors, Kispert was a first-team all-conference selection and Ayayi brings a little bit of everything. Suggs was a top-five recruit. Assuming those four are in the fold next season -- and they all should be -- Gonzaga will enter the 2020-21 season at No. 1. There are very few potential issues in terms of personnel. The additions of Suggs, fellow freshman Dominick Harris and Southern Illinois graduate transfer Aaron Cook give Few plenty of ballhandling options in the backcourt, while a return to health from Anton Watson and a potential breakout season from Drew Timme bolster the frontcourt.

    Projected starting lineup:

    Jalen Suggs (No. 5 in ESPN 100)
    Joel Ayayi (10.6 PPG, 6.3 RPG)
    Corey Kispert (13.9 PPG)
    Drew Timme (9.8 PPG, 5.4 RPG)
    Filip Petrusev (17.5 PPG, 7.9 RPG)

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    Cool.

    So glad they referenced Anton Watson.

    But they don't mention the guy (Oumar Ballo) who some in the program believe is Gonzaga's best big (at least the Zag with the highest upside).

    "To be continued ....."
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    Bench depth (barring injuries) will be no problem this year. Can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagbeliever View Post
    Bench depth (barring injuries) will be no problem this year. Can't wait.
    Bench depth will be a problem next year with the current group. Few hasn't run a 10-man rotation in years and it's at least a 10-man rotation even if Zakharov and Arlauskas don't make it to the rotation. It will work it self out (as always) but it will mean players leaving and red-shirting.

    It's a good problem to have.
    We are on this earth to live, not to avoid death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagbeliever View Post
    Bench depth (barring injuries) will be no problem this year. Can't wait.
    That is correct.

    One of the things that has always annoyed me is the very few references to one of the most positive aspects about depth.

    Practice.

    Steel sharpens steel.

    Imagine practicing everyday against a team that is likely to be better than most of your opponents.

    Geez, I hope to see the Zags play this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markburn1 View Post
    That is correct.

    One of the things that has always annoyed me is the very few references to one of the most positive aspects about depth.

    Practice.

    Steel sharpens steel.

    Imagine practicing everyday against a team that is likely to be better than most of your opponents.

    Geez, I hope to see the Zags play this year.
    Those practices get serious too! I heard David Stockton talking about practice (on Rob Sacre's podcast) against Meech and how he waited for an opportunity to pay him back for a hard hit or something. This year should be like practicing against another #1 team. I also hope games are open to fans. Go ZAGS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoilzag View Post
    Bench depth will be a problem next year with the current group. Few hasn't run a 10-man rotation in years and it's at least a 10-man rotation even if Zakharov and Arlauskas don't make it to the rotation. It will work it self out (as always) but it will mean players leaving and red-shirting.

    It's a good problem to have.
    "Swen Erick Nater (born January 14, 1950) is a Dutch retired professional basketball player, primarily in the American Basketball Association (ABA) and National Basketball Association (NBA). He is the only player to have led both the NBA and ABA in rebounding.

    Nater helped John Wooden's UCLA Bruins win two NCAA titles. He was a backup to Bill Walton, and averaged just 3.2 points and 3.3 rebounds per game as a senior. He never started a collegiate game—his primary role was helping to develop Walton in practice."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swen_Nater

    I see you tinfoil. Legitimate point.

    My point concerning Nater is that practicing against NBA caliber players can get you a contract in the NBA or at the very least a European gig. Something to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markburn1 View Post
    "Swen Erick Nater (born January 14, 1950) is a Dutch retired professional basketball player, primarily in the American Basketball Association (ABA) and National Basketball Association (NBA). He is the only player to have led both the NBA and ABA in rebounding.

    Nater helped John Wooden's UCLA Bruins win two NCAA titles. He was a backup to Bill Walton, and averaged just 3.2 points and 3.3 rebounds per game as a senior. He never started a collegiate game—his primary role was helping to develop Walton in practice."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swen_Nater

    I see you tinfoil. Legitimate point.

    My point concerning Nater is that practicing against NBA caliber players can get you a contract in the NBA or at the very least a European gig. Something to consider.
    Like the example you used, GU might be the only place this can work consistently. It takes a lot of discipline as a top 60 recruit in 2020 to decide that you are going invest a year or two and barely see prime time minutes when you could be starting out of the gate in a Power conference (on a lesser team of course).

    Is there such a thing as 2-and-dones or reshrit-and-dones because GU is a boot camp for pros.

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    Lots to be excited about for the upcoming year. I think we're a top 5 team even if Suggs were to go to G-league or professional elsewhere, maybe top 3. That is assuming Petro, Kispert, and Ayayi all come back, which I think is about 95% odds. Great time to be a Zag. I really hope Suggs comes. He's the dynamic talent we need in the back court that would put us over the top and make us the clear front runner for a NC (in my opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbnyba17 View Post
    Lots to be excited about for the upcoming year. I think we're a top 5 team even if Suggs were to go to G-league or professional elsewhere, maybe top 3. That is assuming Petro, Kispert, and Ayayi all come back, which I think is about 95% odds. Great time to be a Zag. I really hope Suggs comes. He's the dynamic talent we need in the back court that would put us over the top and make us the clear front runner for a NC (in my opinion).
    I dont see any reason now to believe that Suggs will be anywhere but Spokane in the Fall. Outside of this pandemic cancelling classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagsfanforlife View Post
    I dont see any reason now to believe that Suggs will be anywhere but Spokane in the Fall. Outside of this pandemic cancelling classes.
    Agreed, but still a lot of uncertainty with COVID. I could see a scenario where the college bball season isn't a lock so he decides, "to hell with it, I'll go play professionally for a year and get paid before heading to the NBA the following year."

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    I love it.
    Outstanding!
    Go Zags!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbnyba17 View Post
    Lots to be excited about for the upcoming year. I think we're a top 5 team even if Suggs were to go to G-league or professional elsewhere, maybe top 3. That is assuming Petro, Kispert, and Ayayi all come back, which I think is about 95% odds. Great time to be a Zag. I really hope Suggs comes. He's the dynamic talent we need in the back court that would put us over the top and make us the clear front runner for a NC (in my opinion).
    gbnyba - I agree with you that there is a lot to be excited about for the upcoming year. I have gone so far as to say that we could be playing the last weekend with the telent, depth, and coaching with this team. But that is predicated on our 3 guys coming back. I've seen the mock drafts and our guys are not highly ranked. But I am curious what you might know that gives you a 95% probability that all 3 come back. the upcoming season can be very special if that happens. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markburn1 View Post
    "Swen Erick Nater (born January 14, 1950) is a Dutch retired professional basketball player, primarily in the American Basketball Association (ABA) and National Basketball Association (NBA). He is the only player to have led both the NBA and ABA in rebounding.

    Nater helped John Wooden's UCLA Bruins win two NCAA titles. He was a backup to Bill Walton, and averaged just 3.2 points and 3.3 rebounds per game as a senior. He never started a collegiate game—his primary role was helping to develop Walton in practice."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swen_Nater

    I see you tinfoil. Legitimate point.

    My point concerning Nater is that practicing against NBA caliber players can get you a contract in the NBA or at the very least a European gig. Something to consider.
    Walton use to say that the 2nd best center in college his senior year was Nater and played against him every practice...this probably attributed much to Walton's developing into a GREAT college player and pro...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinfoilzag View Post
    Bench depth will be a problem next year with the current group. Few hasn't run a 10-man rotation in years and it's at least a 10-man rotation even if Zakharov and Arlauskas don't make it to the rotation. It will work it self out (as always) but it will mean players leaving and red-shirting.

    It's a good problem to have.
    Not sure I can agree with you regarding players leaving and possibly red-shirting...I'm quite positive that Joel, Ballo, Filip and Suggs will be gone after next season and possibly Watson and Timme so that would leave the bench pretty bare...that will mean that 7 of our top 10 players (and SR's Cook & Kispert) could be gone...I'm hoping Watson and Timme return for their junior year that will give us needed experience with Harris, Strawther, Arlauskas and Zakharov to join them in the rotation.

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    Sports MBB,WBB,Football can do voluntary practices starting june 1.
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    Heavy weight on the kids’ shoulders. No 1 ranking and No 1 seed.
    Good guards and great bigs. Anton is key and could add so much.
    Unless something major happens, we’re in great shape. First I can recall we begin as a 1/ 1.
    It might be our year to get our first title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    Heavy weight on the kids’ shoulders. No 1 ranking and No 1 seed.
    Good guards and great bigs. Anton is key and could add so much.
    Unless something major happens, we’re in great shape. First I can recall we begin as a 1/ 1.
    It might be our year to get our first title.
    Abe i am so pumped.
    Love the zags for life

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    Heavy weight on the kids’ shoulders. No 1 ranking and No 1 seed.
    Good guards and great bigs. Anton is key and could add so much.
    Unless something major happens, we’re in great shape. First I can recall we begin as a 1/ 1.
    It might be our year to get our first title.
    Abe - We have been waiting since April 2017 to finish what should have been ours with 3 minutes to go. Let's do it in 2021. What do you all think? There are some excellent teams that will stand in our way but I will take the Zags and our team, assuming everyone comes back, over any and all teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    Cool.

    So glad they referenced Anton Watson.

    But they don't mention the guy (Oumar Ballo) who some in the program believe is Gonzaga's best big (at least the Zag with the highest upside).
    Most haven't seen Ballo play yet. 6ft 10-11 inch 260 jumping jack who thinks the ball belongs to him. If he doesn't have it, he'll go take it away.
    Amazing motor.

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    I see Watson starting and Timme being a super sub. A Petrusev + Timme defensive backcourt wouldn't be that great.

    Quote Originally Posted by scrooner View Post
    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...top-25-2020-21

    Gonzaga moves to the top spot after a few more weeks of comparing rosters, as the Bulldogs are likely to have the best combination of talent, balance, versatility and depth in college basketball next season. Coach Mark Few does have to wait for NBA draft decisions from Joel Ayayi, Corey Kispert and Filip Petrusev, but the rumors of star freshman Jalen Suggs going overseas or playing in the G League have quieted down. Petrusev earned WCC Player of the Year honors, Kispert was a first-team all-conference selection and Ayayi brings a little bit of everything. Suggs was a top-five recruit. Assuming those four are in the fold next season -- and they all should be -- Gonzaga will enter the 2020-21 season at No. 1. There are very few potential issues in terms of personnel. The additions of Suggs, fellow freshman Dominick Harris and Southern Illinois graduate transfer Aaron Cook give Few plenty of ballhandling options in the backcourt, while a return to health from Anton Watson and a potential breakout season from Drew Timme bolster the frontcourt.

    Projected starting lineup:

    Jalen Suggs (No. 5 in ESPN 100)
    Joel Ayayi (10.6 PPG, 6.3 RPG)
    Corey Kispert (13.9 PPG)
    Drew Timme (9.8 PPG, 5.4 RPG)
    Filip Petrusev (17.5 PPG, 7.9 RPG)

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    I believe that the only thing that will keep Anton out of the starting lineup (assuming everyone comes back)is the health of his shoulder. Dude was such a disruptive force athletically on the defensive end before the injury, his game oozes NBA potential.

    His court presence reminds me of Josh Childress from Stanford several years back. He was a big time college player, PAC-10 POY, NBA lottery pick, and had a nice long career in the league.

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    Ballo is another Shawn Kemp.




    I miss Mike Hart

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickMick View Post
    Ballo is another Shawn Kemp.




    Ballo is like Shawn Kemp as much as John Stockton is like Russell Westbrook.

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    Wow, I do not see it at all. Ballo doesn't have anywhere near the hops or the fluidity of Kemp. Don't see him driving most of the length of the court and splitting defenders like Kemp. Physical stature is about where the similarities end.

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