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    Default How does no sports in California until 2021 affect the Zags?

    I've been reading and hearing this for the past few days and I realize much of it is unknown or conjecture currently. However if there are no sports in California until 2021 I assume the WCC scheduling would have to take that into account. And all California based schools would have to play road games until January? The upside is the WCC schedule didn't commence until January this recently concluded season so there is that. I guess my biggest fear is there is no season at all. I don't even want to go there!

    Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...21/5142950002/

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    It sounds like Washington, Oregon and California plan to coordinate on how to safely open the states back up, guided by data and science. I think whatever California does Washington will do too.
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    Wont be able to be in large groups till fall. No sports til 2021
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zags11 View Post
    Wont be able to be in large groups till fall. No sports til 2021
    The answer will be sports ... no spectators. That’s my call for the start of next season. Of course a lot would have to go right between now and then ... I am hopeful it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    The answer will be sports ... no spectators. That’s my call for the start of next season. Of course a lot would have to go right between now and then ... I am hopeful it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    The answer will be sports ... no spectators. That’s my call for the start of next season. Of course a lot would have to go right between now and then ... I am hopeful it will.
    If you had to take an over/under on 18 months with no fans, what would you take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagaZags View Post
    If you had to take an over/under on 18 months with no fans, what would you take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagaZags View Post
    If you had to take an over/under on 18 months with no fans, what would you take?
    If I were to guess now I would say under, but then some athlete somewhere will test positive & we're startin' over (depending on what the vaccine situation looks like).
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    The affects of this pandemic will not be temporary.

    This a defining time that will be known as a threshold marking the difference between how we used to live as compared to how we will live in the future. The ripple effects are unknown. I'm not even sure if our health care system is sustainable in the pandemic age. Employer based insurance doesn't work when nobody is working while everyone is getting sick. We will be feeling the repercussions of this for decades. Regardless, the current insurance model doesn't work in these dire times and our personal health care costs are going to go through the roof. That will erode disposable income that would normally buy season tickets.

    When it finally dawns on us how severe and persistent this pandemic is, we will dutifully accept sports entertainment in vastly different formats and venues. It will be better than no sports entertainment at all.
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    I think the first step will be the return of sports with no spectators. To me, the key to that will be comprehensive testing and the ability to get results quickly. I see Emirates Airlines is testing people at the airport with results in about 10 minutes, so there is some rapid testing that is taking place in limited circumstances.

    The ability to be able to do that prior to traveling, while on the road, and right before a game would go a long ways in teams being able to play. I could see once teams arrive at the game venue, all staff and athletes submitting to a test, then once results are known, being able to go on the floor to play. With spectators it will be further down the road I think. Before we start allowing large crowds to congregate in my mind we need 3 things....1) comprehensive testing with rapid results, 2) vigorous contact tracing to limit the spread with those traced willing to self-quarantine, and 3) some effective treatments to help mitigate and reduce mortality in the high risk groups. A vaccine would be nice too.... Stay safe and healthy everyone!

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    Financial implications of COVID-19 leave athletic directors in precarious positions, uncharted territory

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    If there are no sports for a generation, will people begin to read more or will they just watch television?

    Would that be a death knell for institutions of higher learning or would they blossom because the students were there for the sole reason of learning?
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    when I imagine the scenario, like a previous post, the problem will be when a member of a team, even one, comes up positive for covid19. The whole team will have been exposed for a week. If the athletes live under a special regimen close to a quarantine, way stricter than the general population, and are tested continuously, we have a chance. Since a player can be passing this disease to others with no symptoms of his own, it means other players and refs, will be exposed to a rather small space (the basketball floor) full of huffing and puffing and shouting and touching. It is not as easy as AIDS was in the 80's and 90's where the problem was infected player's blood to other player's orifice. This is more contagious than most flues and has a longer incubation period, and also is spread by people (what , one fifth of the time) who never show symptoms, ever.
    putting players on a permanent quarantine has a chance, but at what point can the spectators in the arena be quarantined?
    It seems to me it would easier to space arenas to 1/6 capacity, than to keep whole teams uncontaminated for most of a whole season.
    lots of worries, lots of hopes.
    seems like the best hope for this, and other similar diseases in the future, will be to have vast resources devoted to speeding up the creation and dissemination of vaccines. It would almost be worth any expense to quicken this process. since I know nothing about the process, maybe there are limitations to the process that a whole industry could not speed up.
    It certainly doesn't help that countries like China and Russia cannot be trusted to provide accurate numbers or be good faith partners of the int'l community. The political filters through which all of their announcements to the world must pass through are extensive. They and other authoritarian regimes keep their media under tight controls, and constantly attack the free media to keep their own citizens confused. The only way we get basketball back is through science transparently reaching the public, because only the public always has the public interest at heart, if they have accurate info.
    there, that's my speech about getting basketball back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagsGoZags View Post
    when I imagine the scenario, like a previous post, the problem will be when a member of a team, even one, comes up positive for covid19. The whole team will have been exposed for a week. If the athletes live under a special regimen close to a quarantine, way stricter than the general population, and are tested continuously, we have a chance. Since a player can be passing this disease to others with no symptoms of his own, it means other players and refs, will be exposed to a rather small space (the basketball floor) full of huffing and puffing and shouting and touching. It is not as easy as AIDS was in the 80's and 90's where the problem was infected player's blood to other player's orifice. This is more contagious than most flues and has a longer incubation period, and also is spread by people (what , one fifth of the time) who never show symptoms, ever.
    putting players on a permanent quarantine has a chance, but at what point can the spectators in the arena be quarantined?
    It seems to me it would easier to space arenas to 1/6 capacity, than to keep whole teams uncontaminated for most of a whole season.
    lots of worries, lots of hopes.
    seems like the best hope for this, and other similar diseases in the future, will be to have vast resources devoted to speeding up the creation and dissemination of vaccines. It would almost be worth any expense to quicken this process. since I know nothing about the process, maybe there are limitations to the process that a whole industry could not speed up.
    It certainly doesn't help that countries like China and Russia cannot be trusted to provide accurate numbers or be good faith partners of the int'l community. The political filters through which all of their announcements to the world must pass through are extensive. They and other authoritarian regimes keep their media under tight controls, and constantly attack the free media to keep their own citizens confused. The only way we get basketball back is through science transparently reaching the public, because only the public always has the public interest at heart, if they have accurate info.
    there, that's my speech about getting basketball back.
    Agree with all of the above ZGZ. Bigger issue threatening there even being a 2020-21 college hoops season is universities may quite possibly not even allow students back on campus for the fall semester or until there is a vaccine. I’m no lawyer but wouldn’t schools have huge liability if they allow students back on campus before a vaccine is available? If students don’t come back to campus in the fall, that’s a wrap for college sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedster View Post
    I think the first step will be the return of sports with no spectators. To me, the key to that will be comprehensive testing and the ability to get results quickly. I see Emirates Airlines is testing people at the airport with results in about 10 minutes, so there is some rapid testing that is taking place in limited circumstances.

    The ability to be able to do that prior to traveling, while on the road, and right before a game would go a long ways in teams being able to play. I could see once teams arrive at the game venue, all staff and athletes submitting to a test, then once results are known, being able to go on the floor to play. With spectators it will be further down the road I think. Before we start allowing large crowds to congregate in my mind we need 3 things....1) comprehensive testing with rapid results, 2) vigorous contact tracing to limit the spread with those traced willing to self-quarantine, and 3) some effective treatments to help mitigate and reduce mortality in the high risk groups. A vaccine would be nice too.... Stay safe and healthy everyone!
    Jed you touched on all the topics of which I thought would be difference makers...

    I found your fact about Emirates Airlines a little bit disconcerting in that it seems like "money" is the determining factor on availability of instant testing, which is something we need to use to free-up the US. I still don't understand how many of the states say they can't get the needed quantity of "testing kits" while the federal government's reply is that there are more than enough availability...seems like there is a communications break down somewhere...

    Questions: Do you think that all these chemists world wide are working together to make a vaccine or are they working independently so that there company can make big money selling their vaccine? If it's the latter then how many vaccines could we have that would be viable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    Jed you touched on all the topics of which I thought would be difference makers...

    I found your fact about Emirates Airlines a little bit disconcerting in that it seems like "money" is the determining factor on availability of instant testing, which is something we need to use to free-up the US. I still don't understand how many of the states say they can't get the needed quantity of "testing kits" while the federal government's reply is that there are more than enough availability...seems like there is a communications break down somewhere...

    Questions: Do you think that all these chemists world wide are working together to make a vaccine or are they working independently so that there company can make big money selling their vaccine? If it's the latter then how many vaccines could we have that would be viable?
    Longing for the OCC....

    The answers to all your questions on Jedsters' post are available, Bogo, just search "reagents" and "swabs", not to mention your question about money ruling when something is needed is surprising. In the society for which we live, when doesn't it?

    That is why we need government, and ours SHOULD be able to get anything WE need.

    Not playing politics, so those that want to pull that card shouldn't. Facts are facts, buying power is buying power, and international logistics require international power houses to step up and fight the war this really is rather than trying to paint a rosy picture based on minimal success. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, stop crowing and do something.

    Mick, as is his MO, opened this conversation correctly, and ZGZ carried it on. Testing, tracing, treatment and vaccine(s) are the path forward. THERE CAN BE A SEASON, there can be an economy.

    Come on, our greatest year as ZAG fans is upon us. Don't let political story telling get in the way of this. If you can't do it for Human Kind, if you can't do it for our Society, our Country, our Community, do it for our ZAGS. Speak out against the story telling, speak out against those that fear their role in all this, speak out for your ZAGS, and lets' get the job done.

    In the immortal words of LIZF, "...it is us."

    And to those that want to protest intelligent policies, please know that you must also give up your right for treatment should your ignorant action put you standing directly in the path of the oncoming bus. Superman is fiction also, and although healthcare givers are as close to that moniker as any that have come before them, they shouldn't be expected to waste valuable resources or risk their own health on those that chose to welcome the outcome of this ravenous disease. May there be mercy on you.

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    Bring back the OCC, and I promise to behave....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DADoZAG View Post
    Longing for the OCC....

    The answers to all your questions on Jedsters' post are available, Bogo, just search "reagents" and "swabs", not to mention your question about money ruling when something is needed is surprising. In the society for which we live, when doesn't it?

    That is why we need government, and ours SHOULD be able to get anything WE need.

    Not playing politics, so those that want to pull that card shouldn't. Facts are facts, buying power is buying power, and international logistics require international power houses to step up and fight the war this really is rather than trying to paint a rosy picture based on minimal success. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, stop crowing and do something.

    Mick, as is his MO, opened this conversation correctly, and ZGZ carried it on. Testing, tracing, treatment and vaccine(s) are the path forward. THERE CAN BE A SEASON, there can be an economy.

    Come on, our greatest year as ZAG fans is upon us. Don't let political story telling get in the way of this. If you can't do it for Human Kind, if you can't do it for our Society, our Country, our Community, do it for our ZAGS. Speak out against the story telling, speak out against those that fear their role in all this, speak out for your ZAGS, and lets' get the job done.

    In the immortal words of LIZF, "...it is us."

    And to those that want to protest intelligent policies, please know that you must also give up your right for treatment should your ignorant action put you standing directly in the path of the oncoming bus. Superman is fiction also, and although healthcare givers are as close to that moniker as any that have come before them, they shouldn't be expected to waste valuable resources or risk their own health on those that chose to welcome the outcome of this ravenous disease. May there be mercy on you.

    Go ZAGS!

    Bring back the OCC, and I promise to behave....
    I miss the OCC, too. I enjoy discussing politics and enjoyed it more on the OCC where the level of discourse was so much better than what you can typically find on the internet. Plus, if a discussion on the basketball board veered into a politics, there was a place to move the thread instead of closing it.
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    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v1

    If verified and repeated with similar results this antibody study puts the death rate in the 1 person in 1000 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v1

    If verified and repeated with similar results this antibody study puts the death rate in the 1 person in 1000 range.
    You arriving at the number dividing confirmed deaths by presumed infections in Santa Clara?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v1

    If verified and repeated with similar results this antibody study puts the death rate in the 1 person in 1000 range.
    And that would be great news, but I'm skeptical as New York City's 14,000 reported deaths is already close to the 2 person in 1000 total population range (unless the city's reported deaths include the entire metro statistical area ... but even then we'd have to assume the 70-80% of the metro statistical area had already been infected to arrive at something close to .1%).

    Nontheless, I am hoping the serology tests do let us know this is less deadly than many have feared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonuvazag View Post
    You arriving at the number dividing confirmed deaths by presumed infections in Santa Clara?
    Oh, sorry. That is the gist of it, but I wasn’t the one who made the calculation. That estimate is from Dr. Bhattacharya, from the Uncommon knowledge podcast. It also matches what Dr. Ioannidis has been saying previously (it meshes pretty well with the study from Vo, Italy). The Iceland study gives an estimate of the prevalence that is lower, but still much higher than what our targeted testing has been saying so far. They did testing in New Rochelle, NY that showed much higher prevalence than what is suggested by targeted testing.

    I will say that if we include the 80% of cases that we are told are mildly symptomatic with the ones we do test, the total number of infected goes from 750k to 3.7 million (I just divided confirmed cases by .2; this makes the assumption that we are only testing— a few exceptions— the very sickest persons). This drops the death rate to 0.96%

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonuvazag View Post
    And that would be great news, but I'm skeptical as New York City's 14,000 reported deaths is already close to the 2 person in 1000 total population range (unless the city's reported deaths include the entire metro statistical area ... but even then we'd have to assume the 70-80% of the metro statistical area had already been infected to arrive at something close to .1%).

    Nontheless, I am hoping the serology tests do let us know this is less deadly than many have feared.
    I would not be surprised if the prevalence in New York is much higher than 3%. They already have much higher targeted test rates than the rest of the country (something like 40% percent of persons tested over there are confirmed positive, vs 20% elsewhere; these are estimates off the top of my head).

    New York also just added presumed Covid deaths to their data, so their data isn’t as valuable for comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonuvazag View Post
    And that would be great news, but I'm skeptical as New York City's 14,000 reported deaths is already close to the 2 person in 1000 total population range (unless the city's reported deaths include the entire metro statistical area ... but even then we'd have to assume the 70-80% of the metro statistical area had already been infected to arrive at something close to .1%).

    Nontheless, I am hoping the serology tests do let us know this is less deadly than many have feared.
    The study is awaiting peer review, which I feel is important to point out. It is also important to note that I am being an armchair epidemiologist and have no special training in this area.

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