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  • ZagMan in Philly
    Zag for Life
    • Apr 2007
    • 2779

    #16
    Hard to pick one..but i remember how much i wanted NWG to come back for some unfinished business.

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    • MickMick
      Zag for Life
      • Apr 2007
      • 6541

      #17
      Goss, Clarke, and Morrison.

      In that order. All three can carry you to the promise land but in this tier, it is less about how much an individual can personally contribute, and more about how that individual can elevate the players around him.
      I miss Mike Hart

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      • Zags11
        Banned
        • Mar 2008
        • 6101

        #18
        Originally posted by 229SintoZag View Post
        This is easy: NWG. He willed us to a Final Four and almost to a title. He showed better floor leadership than all but a few Zags in the Few era. I wish he'd have stayed one more year and I'm quite certain if he did we would have done better than the Sweet 16 in '18. What makes me wish this would have happened was not just how good he was but the fact that he wasn't a lottery pick and he didn't end up in the NBA that next year but did two years in Europe before landing as a deep bench reserve with the Jazz.

        In that calculus he had more to gain by staying (likely a first team AA, tons of media, a great senior year) than he had to gain by leaving (an unremarkable overseas career and no NBA lottery type money and I'm sure he could have still ended up with the Jazz this past year regardless).
        Ill disagree. He had a solid team. With how he shot in the tourny a couple games, the zags would of been eliminated like other great zag guards in the past. Goss was 8 for 42 in a 3 game stretch in NCAA Tourny for 19%. He was a great guard for us on a great team. However to some zag fans he gets all the kudos as he "led" us to the title game. This just isnt true. The team made the run.

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        • Reborn
          Zag for Life
          • Oct 2007
          • 13463

          #19
          I loved Adam Morrison. It took me a long time to get over him leaving early for the NBA. My son, Demian, helped me see the logic in the decision. After the loss to UCLA in the NCAA and seeing him lying on the floor in agony after the game, I just didn't want it to end this way. Adam had such an impact on taking Gonzaga to another level in recruiting. Because of what he did at GU, and what he accomplished young players in high school began to want to go to Gonzaga.

          He dueled it out with a player for Duke to become the highest scorer in D-1 BASKETBALL. Morrison packed every gym and arena that the Zags played in, and he was truly hated by the fans from opposing teams. Student bodies from opposing teams would try every imaginable thing to get into ADAM'S head, but as we know it only inspired him.

          I also hated the fact that we didn't make it to the Final Four that year because I believed they could. And I felt if Adam returned they'd certainly make it the following year.

          Thanks for all you did, Adam.

          Go Zags!!!
          Go Zags!!! The Best Is Yet To Come!!!

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          • LTownZag
            Banned
            • Mar 2017
            • 1198

            #20
            Originally posted by Zags11 View Post
            Ill disagree. He had a solid team. With how he shot in the tourny a couple games, the zags would of been eliminated like other great zag guards in the past. Goss was 8 for 42 in a 3 game stretch in NCAA Tourny for 19%. He was a great guard for us on a great team. However to some zag fans he gets all the kudos as he "led" us to the title game. This just isnt true. The team made the run.
            Facts>Stories

            Who would have added more to the 2018 team, NWG returning to a frontcourt with Perkins, Norvell, and Melson? or Collins returning to the post with JW3, Rui and (sometimes injured) Tillie off the bench?

            Give me Collins' impact in a heartbeat.

            Perkins/Melson/Norvell/JW3/Collins starting, Sophs Rui and Tillie and freshman CK off the bench

            vs

            NWG/Perkins/Melson/Tillie/JW3 Starting, Soph Rui, and freshmen CK and Norvell off the bench


            I think team #1 is better.

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            • gonzagafan62
              Zag for Life
              • Nov 2013
              • 9120

              #21
              Originally posted by Zags11 View Post
              Ill disagree. He had a solid team. With how he shot in the tourny a couple games, the zags would of been eliminated like other great zag guards in the past. Goss was 8 for 42 in a 3 game stretch in NCAA Tourny for 19%. He was a great guard for us on a great team. However to some zag fans he gets all the kudos as he "led" us to the title game. This just isnt true. The team made the run.
              Agree with most, but what Goss had was unrelenting defense which really stood alone in the WV game as well as the same game. I don’t think you’re wrong at all, however
              Qualified for 26 Straight Big Dances

              15 Straight Round of 32s

              14 Sweet Sixteens (9 Straight)

              6 Elite Eights

              2017 AND 2021 FINAL FOUR

              2 Winningest Players in college basketball history (Karnowski 137, Perkins 134)

              2021 Undefeated Regular Season

              The Best Point Guard to ever play the game: John Stockton, most assists, most steals.

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              • Zags11
                Banned
                • Mar 2008
                • 6101

                #22
                Originally posted by gonzagafan62 View Post
                Agree with most, but what Goss had was unrelenting defense which really stood alone in the WV game as well as the same game. I don’t think you’re wrong at all, however
                Yea he was solid at defense and he was a great player and seems.like a great guy. I just think he wasnt the reason we waltzed into the F4. The team was the reason.

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                • cjm720
                  Zag for Life
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 6472

                  #23
                  Nigel
                  Go Zags!!!

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                  • Zagger
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 3666

                    #24
                    Morrison
                    But, he’s returned to Spokane and is heavily involved with the Zags. So, to me he did return
                    Go Zags!

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                    • sonuvazag
                      Zag for Life
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 1746

                      #25
                      When I see Goss, I always think of Geoff Goss. Nigel's last name is Williams-Goss, isn't it? I'd be upset if everyone thought half of my hyphenated last name was optional.
                      Agent provocateur

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                      • hockeyzag
                        Bleeds GU Blue
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 991

                        #26
                        I agree with everyone who says Goss was a great player, and I would've loved to have seen him come back, but I really don't think the team that he would've come back to was as strong as other years. Sabonis on the 2017 team would have made that team pretty much unbeatable.

                        Jazz asked us to consider the composition of the team in that next season. The 2018 team was strong but nowhere near 2017, 2019, or 2020.
                        "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
                        -Zach Norvell Jr.

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                        • GonzaGAW
                          Zag for Life
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 1960

                          #27
                          - i have said before, i believe nwg's one season at point guard was the best effort/talent ever at the guard position.

                          - that said, i think my answer is zach collins. think of the step up in improvement he would have given next years team. coupled with jw3, inconsistent due to injury tillie, young improving rui, that would have been a front court that could have brought us too back to back final fours.

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                          • jazzdelmar
                            Zag for Life
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 22837

                            #28
                            Gentle reminder. The Bonus could have played 2 more years; Zbo 3 more.

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                            • zagfan1
                              Zag for Life
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 1110

                              #29
                              This is a hard one. I think if Sabonis stayed one more year that really would have helped the 17 team in so many ways. The thing was ZC (although very talented) was a fouling machine in his only year at GU. Sabonis was just so mobile around the basket. I think he would have worked UNC’s May in the championship game. Just look at him now. The best Zag in the NBA right now. NWG was very good at defense and most importantly he didn’t turn the ball over. That win at BYU was such a statement game that year for him. If he didn’t re injure his ankle In the championship game against UNC we would have won for sure by controlling the ball. That 18 team just wasn’t going to be as good as the 17 team so it really didn’t matter if Goss had stayed that final year or not.

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                              • hockeyzag
                                Bleeds GU Blue
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 991

                                #30
                                Originally posted by zagfan1 View Post
                                This is a hard one. I think if Sabonis stayed one more year that really would have helped the 17 team in so many ways. The thing was ZC (although very talented) was a fouling machine in his only year at GU. Sabonis was just so mobile around the basket. I think he would have worked UNC’s May in the championship game. Just look at him now. The best Zag in the NBA right now. NWG was very good at defense and most importantly he didn’t turn the ball over. That win at BYU was such a statement game that year for him. If he didn’t re injure his ankle In the championship game against UNC we would have won for sure by controlling the ball. That 18 team just wasn’t going to be as good as the 17 team so it really didn’t matter if Goss had stayed that final year or not.
                                This.
                                "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
                                -Zach Norvell Jr.

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