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    Quote Originally Posted by NEC26 View Post
    So apparently the womens coach agrees this is an overreaction. Called it insanity actually. GU doesn't seem too happy about it and my guess is Few isn't either.

    Anyone dead from their trip to Las Vegas yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEC26 View Post
    So apparently the GU womens coach agrees this is an overreaction. Called it insanity actually. GU doesn't seem too happy about it and my guess is Few isn't either.

    Anyone dead from their trip to Las Vegas yet?
    You had better hope nobody does... because if they do over the next couple weeks, this post is gonna age real bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    You had better hope nobody does... because if they do over the next couple weeks, this post is gonna age real bad.
    It also betrays a total ignorance mixed with stubborn sort of pride about being ignorant.

    the danger of lots of CBB fans meeting in big groups and then dispersing is likely in those fans infecting a person over 75 who would have much higher death rate than the fans themselves.

    IE it's not just "did you die yet?" it's "did you possibly spread disease to other people who may have died?"
    Last edited by LTownZag; 03-12-2020 at 10:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    You had better hope nobody does... because if they do over the next couple weeks, this post is gonna age real bad.
    Indeed, and there are posts from a week ago that have already aged badly. Time flies when you're on an exponential curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooner View Post
    Indeed, and there are posts from a week ago that have already aged badly. Time flies when you're on an exponential curve.
    Still waiting for MDABE80 to explain how a disease with a death rate 10x (+) the flu is basically just like the flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    Still waiting for MDABE80 to explain how a disease with a death rate 10x (+) the flu is basically just like the flu.
    did you see my response to you about Gov banning groups of 250 while allowing SeaTac to remain in operation allowing planes loaded with 400+ to fly around the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    did you see my response to you about Gov banning groups of 250 while allowing SeaTac to remain in operation allowing planes loaded with 400+ to fly around the world?
    Yes - what is your point that you are trying to make?

    Perhaps the gov should also close seatac, I don't know. But airports provide a ton of additional benefits including a conduit for medical supplies, food, and experts. Whereas gatherings for sporting events, classes, social functions, arts, etc etc don't provide those benefits or act as a conduit of civic infrastructure.

    Not all large group gatherings are created equal regarding their various spillover effects.

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    NBA games suspended until further notice as a Utah Jazz player "preliminarily" tested positive for COVID-19
    Your children have been placed in the custody of...Carl's Jr.

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    It’s so easy to sit there and say “no big deal.” Doing something preventative and proactive is a no-win proposition from a PR standpoint. You never get credit for the disaster you avert, limit, or prevent

    I’m not a doctor but as a pediatric psychologist who works with immune compromised patients and sat in meetings all day with physician specialists from every background about our response as a health system, I can’t believe people think that limiting spectators at a basketball game is really that outrageous.

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    In my view, one person's life is worth immensely more than any basketball tournament crowd. As of today Wednesday, the USA has administered only 8,500 tests for coronavirus. In the US, no one knows the true extent of how widespread the virus is in this country and it highly doubtful that there are only 8500 cases.

    Italy is suffering greatly from the outbreak, more so than other country other than China, because it did nothing to address the situation early on. Now the country is essentially shut down.

    Been a GU fan for years, taught law school there, and played some college ball myself. Nothing at all. Nothing at all is worth one person's death from coronavirus just to let people fill the Spokane Arena or McCarthey for any basketball tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    did you see my response to you about Gov banning groups of 250 while allowing SeaTac to remain in operation allowing planes loaded with 400+ to fly around the world?
    They aren’t anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CPkZagFan View Post
    I am sorry, not all medical experts are in full panic mode like the news media and some politicians.

    To sum: Majority of 30+ US coronavirus deaths occurred in Wash. State elderly facilities. The handful of additional deaths are among elderly & sick, mostly 80+ yrs. Be very careful if you're elderly, or have sick, older loved ones. Everyone else (so far) is ok or recovered.

    Our mayor in Austin canceled SXSW (huge event) because of the panic over this and now he is begging the public to get out of the house and start frequenting restaurants and other businesses.

    I am not going to live in fear and panic and I think most of the fans would agree. I am not very excited about watching March Madness in empty stadiums.
    I hope some establishments in Spokane are going to have their own watch parties.

    By the way, how many people that were at Vegas are heading for ICU? Just wondering.
    We’ll know in 2 weeks, I suppose, due to the incubation period.

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    NBA suspends season

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagNut08 View Post
    NBA suspends season
    Soon to be followed by suspension of conference tournaments and the Big Dance. This thing is picking up steam at a rapid rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    Soon to be followed by suspension of conference tournaments and the Big Dance. This thing is picking up steam at a rapid rate.
    I'm absolutely shocked that Postponement wasn't on the table and something I don't hear anyone talking about. Alot of people believe that teams will be rusty on a delayed madness but I think the pros far out weigh that single con of postponement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    Soon to be followed by suspension of conference tournaments and the Big Dance. This thing is picking up steam at a rapid rate.
    Its done imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEC26 View Post
    So apparently the GU womens coach agrees this is an overreaction. Called it insanity actually.
    Please tell me how much medical/epidemiological/biological experience she has? As much as I love her coaching, she has zero experience in these matters, and the press should not BE ASKING LAYPERSONS about policies!

    Basketball, from a microbiological perspective, is a 90 foot f*ckg Petri dish. Everybody touches the ball. And so does the floor. There are so many stoppages of play, where players high-five, fist bump, wipe their face, spank, hug, wipe the bottom of their shoes with their hands, lick their fingers before a free throw, tousle the sweaty hair of a teammate, and so on every two minutes of a two hour game. The floor has to be constantly wiped of bodily fluids. The ball hops into the stands every few minutes, and is thrown back onto the court by a random fan.

    How many times in your career of watching basketball have you ever seen hand sanitizer being used?

    There are outbreaks of cold and flu EVERY SINGLE SEASON among teams. And they give it to the other team, who gives it to the next. I'm appalled at the measures to date (well before this coronavirus), given the icky communal contact that's been going on for years.

    The NCAA should have implemented sanitary procedures decades ago. I've thought about this every year once I knew about microbes in my medical training.

    There should be hand sanitizer at the point where players enter the game.
    There should be hand sanitizer at the point where players come off the court.
    There should be hand sanitizer used by all during timeouts.
    There should be hand sanitizer after the end game handshakes.
    The basketball should be sanitized during timeouts.


    A technical foul should be given for being a PigPen and not sanitizing. If pre-game dunking gets T'd up (formerly), then it's not a far cry to ask players to not spread germs. Some of this applies to practice sessions as well.

    I could go on. Basketball is a very dirty sport. Players are essentially licking the floor, and that's not hyperbole, or insanity. Such a simple thing to do.

    (By the way, Jordan Ford was visibly coughing during both the BYU and GU games. At least it was into his elbow).

    P.S. I spent nearly half a decade in Hughes Hall, under the auspices of the great, wonderful and awe-inspiring biology professor, Dr. (and later Dean of Arts & Sciences) Robert Prusch, researched microbes there for many a summer, and published. I unlocked every door in that building with a butter knife in the wee hours. I guess I can confess that now. You wouldn't believe the stores of chemicals and other stuff I found in that basement. It was better than Hogwarts.
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    Some of my medical profession colleagues here have been skeptical about this outbreak. Maybe it's because it's "out of sight, out of mind." In Seattle, it's the epicenter of the U.S., and all I can say is open your freaking eyes. This is not a drill. Complacency KILLS. We are basically two weeks behind Lombardy, Italy, when they went from a few cases to over 10,000 in two weeks. It's heartbreaking, and the death toll is over 1,000 with 13,000 infected. Incredible. The hospitals are so overwhelmed that doctors are having to make serious ethical choices about who gets care, and who gets abandoned to die. That's unbelievable, and that's what we might be facing here in our own country.

    Former Homeland Security advisor says, "We are 10 days away from our hospitals getting creamed."

    I strongly suggest you view this page: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/...-milan-health/

    and watch the video there. It will open your eyes. If you're too lazy:



    The first identifies herself as Martina, but I believe she is Martina Crivellari, an intensive care cardiac anaesthesiologist at the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan.

    She said: "There are a lot of young people in our Intensive Care Units (ICUs) - our youngest is a 38-year-old who had had no comorbidities (underlying health problems).

    "A lot of patients need help with breathing but there are not enough ventilators.

    "They've told us that starting from now we'll have to choose who to intubate - priority will go to the young or those without comorbidities.

    "At Niguarda, the other big hospital in Milan, they are not intubating anyone over 60, which is really, really young."

    She added: "This virus is so infectious that the only way to avoid a 'massacre' is to have the least number possible getting infected over the longest possible timescale.

    "Right now, if we get 10,000 people in Italy in need of ventilators - when we only have 3,000 in the country - 7,000 people will die.

    "Rome right now is like where Milan was 10 days ago. In 10 days there has been an incredible escalation.

    "Lombardy, which has the best healthcare in the country, is collapsing, so I don’t dare to think what would happen in less efficient regions."

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    Great link caduceus, Milan is functioning like a MASH unit prioritizing care. I'm in the no intubate age group.... amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by West Side Lady View Post
    So what? Being an EMT or a doctor doesn't mean you're any sort of an authority on the coronavirus.
    Unless you're a doctor trained in a specialty related to infectious disease or epidemiology, your credentials are irrelevant.
    Yeah we're just the first contact and primary care for patients, what do we know or have been trained specifically for regarding this pandemic, probabilities, and transmissions? Internet researchers are the ones to listen to...

    Sorry to derail, but really people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooter73 View Post
    Yeah we're just the first contact and primary care for patients, what do we know or have been trained specifically for regarding this pandemic, probabilities, and transmissions? Internet researchers are the ones to listen to...

    Sorry to derail, but really people?
    To be fair, there’s a huge difference in having knowledge and training to manage a patient in a specific situation versus expertise in the management of a pandemic.

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    Big 12 Tournament canceled -- I was wondering what would happen in Kansas lost a conference game, and slipped from the number 1 ranking, with the Zags taking the top ranking: Would the consensus number 1 team be deemed national champions if the NCAA tournament is canceled? (The cynical part of me wonders if the Big 12 had a double motive of protecting players/public and and protecting Kansas' top ranking in the event the big dance doesn't happen.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagfan24 View Post
    To be fair, there’s a huge difference in having knowledge and training to manage a patient in a specific situation versus expertise in the management of a pandemic.
    I get your point but I’m also going to decline getting my professional pandemic information from pot smoking UFC Fear Factor Joe Rohan... and I like the guy but again, really people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooter73 View Post
    I get your point but I’m also going to decline getting my professional pandemic information from pot smoking UFC Fear Factor Joe Rohan... and I like the guy but again, really people?
    How about Fauci, who stated it was 10 times worse than the flu and we should all expect this to get much worse?
    Agent provocateur

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooter73 View Post
    I get your point but I’m also going to decline getting my professional pandemic information from pot smoking UFC Fear Factor Joe Rohan... and I like the guy but again, really people?
    Rohan [SIC] provided no information. His guest did.

    His guest was Michael Osterholm PhD, is the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy


    Don't you have a flat earth meeting to attend?


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