GU Bigs: Analytics Thread v2.0

[Markburn1]

In some ways it’s outlived it usefulness. Everything that could be said about Filip has been said 48 hrs we have a new game and a big game following that. Let’s move on.

It’s not about Filip per se after post 86. It’s an interesting analytical discussion.

[MDABE80]

I think it's general concensus ( if it isn't by now it should be) that our Filip ( and a good portion of the team according to Few).........is soft and largely was manhandled by the BYU group. We know that and no matter how many ways it's said, nothing new is to be learned. THe real question is how do we proceed so FIlip doesn't bear the brunt of his deficiencies the rest of the season. Interspersed are other items and some analytics..and you're correct along those lines. If you read those posts though...it's always goes back to Filip..his weaknesses primarily.. also the strengths of other bigs before him.
It's just my opinion that it's time to move on to the weekend games. No offense intended. We just keep drifting back to FIlip and I do think a better topic would be what we might do to counter certain weaknesses.
Mark. I fully understood that it would be nice to uncouple the analytics from the Filip component from this thread. LIZ says it's not possible.

Perhaps this thread should dovetail into two other threads.one about the analytics of the team and another about where we're going to help the team for a deep run.
If we win both games this weekend we'll be 29-2. No 1 seed and number 3 or 4 depending on whihc poll you read.
as the WCC apppraoches, how would we play BYU differently/... more Tillie, Timme? How so...etc. Who and how do we guard Childs and whats to do with Haws in terms of controlling him offensivley... stuff like that. Again, maybe these are my own interests regard how we play the next month to correct deficiencies. If Im wrong, I apologize in advance.

[jazzdelmar]

Did you "lock your answer" with "H?" If so - it appears you just took heytvelt over the bonus ... d'oh!

When pigs fly. 21-15-9 last night.

[LongIslandZagFan]

Then he can focus on his riddle-telling hobby and resume the quest to find his Precious.

[RenoZag]

Is it possible to upgrade this thread? or maybe move the analytic part to a separate thread? Maybe from post #86 onward?

Wish there was a way.

As requested

( Moderator's Note: This thread was created to pull the discussion / analytics of GU Big men from the Petrusev Post BYU Game discussion thread )

[Reborn]

First to compare Petrusev to players who played the high post or 4 is not a good or a true comparison. Petrusev is not a 4. So that would take out Sabonis, Daye, Violette, and Calvary. So that leaves 9. I would next ask how many of these low post players were on the Kareen Abdul Jabar award list. I believe Clarke, Karnowski, and Batista made that list. That would take out Sacre, Heytvelt, Turiaf and JW3. Next I'd take a look at who was a finalist for the John Wooden award. I'm sure he's the only one. So obviously, there are many basketball analysts who believe he's pretty special. I also believe he's the only center to lead the team in scoring.

You may not like him. I may not like him. He is not the best defesnive center we've had. But all that aside, he is still the best center Gonzaga has ever had in the low post. That was all I brought up. You can't take away the facts that he is a Wooden Finalist.

[LongIslandZagFan]

A bit mad at myself... really should have added Kelly into that. Here is his line per 40 (Sophmore year only):

FG	FGA	FG%	2P	2PA	2P%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
6.3	11	0.574	5.3	8.7	0.608	1	2.3	0.444	3.6	5.8	0.618	11.3	2.2	1	0.4	3.6	4.8	17.2

[LTownZag]

First to compare Petrusev to players who played the high post or 4 is not a good or a true comparison. Petrusev is not a 4. So that would take out Sabonis, Daye, Violette, and Calvary. So that leaves 9. I would next ask how many of these low post players were on the Kareen Abdul Jabar award list. I believe Clarke, Karnowski, and Batista made that list. That would take out Sacre, Heytvelt, Turiaf and JW3. Next I'd take a look at who was a finalist for the John Wooden award. I'm sure he's the only one. So obviously, there are many basketball analysts who believe he's pretty special. I also believe he's the only center to lead the team in scoring.

You may not like him. I may not like him. He is not the best defesnive center we've had. But all that aside, he is still the best center Gonzaga has ever had in the low post. That was all I brought up. You can't take away the facts that he is a Wooden Finalist.

The lists you keep citing (Wooden, Jabar) compare Petrusev to players from others teams in this season.
Everyone else is having a discussion comparing Petrusev to players from this team in other seasons.


How do you define "low post player" in a way that excludes collegiate Sabonis or Calvary or Cory Violette (described here as a 6'11" center who took .8 3pt attempts per game over 4 years)?

[bdmiller7]

First to compare Petrusev to players who played the high post or 4 is not a good or a true comparison. Petrusev is not a 4. So that would take out Sabonis, Daye, Violette, and Calvary. So that leaves 9. I would next ask how many of these low post players were on the Kareen Abdul Jabar award list. I believe Clarke, Karnowski, and Batista made that list. That would take out Sacre, Heytvelt, Turiaf and JW3. Next I'd take a look at who was a finalist for the John Wooden award. I'm sure he's the only one. So obviously, there are many basketball analysts who believe he's pretty special. I also believe he's the only center to lead the team in scoring.

You may not like him. I may not like him. He is not the best defesnive center we've had. But all that aside, he is still the best center Gonzaga has ever had in the low post. That was all I brought up. You can't take away the facts that he is a Wooden Finalist.

The Kareem Abdul Jabbar award was first awarded in 2015, so a lot of Zags may have been on the list had it been around during their careers.

[MDABE80]

So. With all these analytics, who , by the numbers, is/was our best and most efficient big man??

[bdmiller7]

I really dont get all the negative criticism of Petrusev. As a true sophomore he stacks up well with anybody the Zags have ever had, outside of maybe Sabonis. My guess is it mostly has to do with the complaining to the refs, because his play has been great. He has been the team MVP. Tillie might be the best, when he's on the court, but Petrusev has pretty consistently great this year while being the focal point of the offense. It's clear he puts a pressure on the D by the number of opponent fouls he creates.

[LTownZag]

So. With all these analytics, who , by the numbers, is/was our best and most efficient big man??

Looking at single seasons, it comes down to the two guys who took a red shirt year then dominated and went to the NBA:

Clarke '19 (he blocked more shots than he missed. Even without being the best defender in GU history, his offense probably puts him top3 on this list.)
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Olynyk '13 (and I'm not claiming Olynyk was a "low post" player for purposes of the petrusev comparisons above)

[Zagdawg]

But....but....his arms are so short......

[LongIslandZagFan]

Here are Brandon's numbers per 40:

FG	FGA	FG%	2P	2PA	2P%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
9.9	14.4	0.687	9.7	13.8	0.705	0.2	0.6	0.267	4.2	6	0.694	12.2	2.7	1.7	4.5	2.2	3	24.1

[bdmiller7]

Petrusev has had 2 games with under 10 pts this year, 9 against Michigan and 5 against BYU when he got hurt. He has been a rockstar in most games.