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    Quote Originally Posted by Zag_Dad View Post
    Was thrilled he hit that shot. Absolute garbage that USF trapped and went for 5he steal (three times) when game was OVER. If they want to defend then the have to suffer The consequences .... a three in their face.

    Besides the the extra three helped GU cover the spread.
    I found out that I do not like the San Francisco coach. He reminds me of Bennett, always crying to the Refs. If they were as big as bobby knight it might do them some good, but what ref is going to be scared of those little wimps.

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    One thing I found interesting last night was when they were discussing how Gonzaga would fare against the likes of a Baylor or Kansas. Fran was trying to be polite as possible but to me it seemed like he is a non-believer. I sensed the power five conference bias creeping in where he was trying to say yes Gonzaga can compete but not really believing it. I'm not sure the specifics but it sounded like he thought the Zags would have no answer for the guards or Azubukie from Kansas on the defensive side of the ball and that would be the death knell. I could be off but I interpreted his comments as such.

    I do feel that KU is an elite team but they are not unbeatable. I find when people like him are discussing how the bulldogs would compete against the elite power conference teams they only talk about one side of the argument. They talk about all the things Gonzaga would struggle with or how would they game plan for this or that without acknowledging what the other teams would have to game plan for or struggle with when playing us. Its like, oh no, now that they face a power team they have to fear all of the athletes and amazing players that they don't see in their conference.

    The teams in the WCC offer something different in terms of style of play and gameplans but it doesn't mean it will not help moving forward. It just makes them more well rounded as to executing a game plan for a variety of styles of play. The coaching staff is one of the best in the country at planning effectively for the opponent. They will be ready to adapt to different styles because they see them all.

    On another note, something that San Fran coach said is about how physical Gonzaga is. I have heard that out of most of the coaches in the WCC after the games in the media. Its something that every power 5 homers harp on that they feel will be the downfall of this team because they wont be used to a physical style of play. Absurd to me. WCC teams take more liberties on fouling hard then almost any team that Gonzaga faces in the pre-conference schedule or the tourney. And look what they have to practice against in Ballo. Not many players in the country that can match his size and strength. The perfect guy to help you prepare for a guy like Azubuke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gueastcoast View Post
    Agree with much of what is said in this thread, particularly the point about Few's ability to make adjustments in-game to address specific issues (something about which he was often criticized earlier in his career).

    The thing that has really jumped out at me lately is that even when we beat teams handily, we seem to have stretches with multiple boneheaded unforced errors. THAT is a trait I don't feel was characteristic of recent Zag teams...it wasn't that long ago that this board would melt down whenever Perkins would make a dumb turnover early in his career (he made far fewer as the years went on); now it seems like we have several of those every game, often on consecutive possessions, and all of our guys do it. Bad passes, dribbling into traffic, out-of-control offensive fouls, trying to make the home-run play - that stuff will kill us in the tourney when our lack of depth and the higher level of competition will leave way less margin for error.
    Sometimes it seems like things are worse than they really are, especially if there is a recent dark cloud to reflect on. Last night was an aberration. Every season has at least three or four, maybe not the magnitude of last night's first half but nonetheless.

    This year the Zags are #3 in assists nationally and 74th in turnovers. Last year they were 3rd and 88th. The year before they were 21st and 161. Their Final Four year they were 11th and 241st.

    Point being, big picture they are pretty good at taking care of the ball especially at the fast pace they play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markburn1 View Post
    Sometimes it seems like things are worse than they really are, especially if there is a recent dark cloud to reflect on. Last night was an aberration. Every season has at least three or four, maybe not the magnitude of last night's first half but nonetheless.

    This year the Zags are #3 in assists nationally and 74th in turnovers. Last year they were 3rd and 88th. The year before they were 21st and 161. Their Final Four year they were 11th and 241st.

    Point being, big picture they are pretty good at taking care of the ball especially at the fast pace they play.
    All good points, I have no doubt there is a good amount of "recency bias" in my impression

    It's definitely an eye-test sort of thing. I can't readily support this proposition, but it seems like our turnovers (lately) are "dumber" than before. Not just bad passes, but lazy, soft passes, for example.

    Again, an impression and one that is hard to adequately defend -- because in the box score a TO is a TO is a TO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonstu View Post
    Most probably saving the cheering and congrats for the inevitable outright clinch.
    Never too soon to celebrate.

    My posts indicate that I don't seem to follow college basketball all that closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caduceus View Post
    Two points:

    1) Zags probably would have lost by double digits without Tillie's effort tonight.
    not buying it, sorry. Zags beat USF at War Memorial without him. They would have had to play differently, yes, and KT was awesome Thursday, yes. But who knows what would have happened except that we know the game plans would have been different, like they were at War Memorial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    Lull being on the bench with foul trouble was cited by many as important last time, but GU didn't really score easy paint buckets any more with Lull out then when he was in, maybe even fewer. When he left the game last time I was expecting an inside feast with Petrusev, but it was as though the team, upon getting Lull on the bench, didn't need to go inside to pressure him to go to the bench, and simply didn't exploit the vacuum.
    it was important last time. But then again, the game was completely different becasue no KT; KT on the floor changes both teams' game plans, as we just saw in Thursday's game

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    re. Golden, I don't like him either, there, I said it. Whiny, yuck

    re. his comment about not taking care of the ball, yep. the Zags have used D and transition to spurt away from teams all season. Zags remind me of the old Georgetown teams like that, I know that's an interesting comparison, but they do. Pound it inside, rebound, win the turnover battle, defend and run, timely 3 point shooting from open looks while the opposition D defends inside...I remember the Hoyas did all those things

    and the Zag O is way better

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    Golden is a good dude. Sure he is passionate about his team.

    You guys apparently haven't paid attention to the home team Coach very carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bballbeachbum View Post
    not buying it, sorry. Zags beat USF at War Memorial without him. They would have had to play differently, yes, and KT was awesome Thursday, yes. But who knows what would have happened except that we know the game plans would have been different, like they were at War Memorial.
    Correct. Tillie in the game or out is not a zero sum proposition. Tactics change. Other players step up. It's possible it would have been closer. It's also possible that Few and the staff may have identified a different way to attack and defend than the way they played in San Francisco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingon50 View Post
    Golden is a good dude. Sure he is passionate about his team.

    You guys apparently haven't paid attention to the home team Coach very carefully.
    right on, I don't know him personally. But he does not remind me of Few whom I have watched very carefully. I never thought of Few as a whiner, in fact, I used to think he needed to take some Ts!

    I guess that thing with Lull and the game at War Memorial, when Golden made it out like Lull got screwed by the refs instead of Lull got frustrated and reached in 4 times...that just didn't sit. Maybe that was his passion too, idk.......

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    Agree with you on that one, bum. Thought it was weak but was right after the game with his radio guy so hadn't had time to decompress.


    Not trying to make excuses for him.
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