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    Zags Head to Pullman for Washington State Matchup Sunday

    10th-straight season the two programs have met

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    18/17 GONZAGA (7-1) at WASHINGTON STATE (5-3)
    DEC. 8 | 2 P.M. | BEASLEY COLISEUM | PULLMAN, WASH.
    LIVE VIDEO | LIVE STATS


    THE TIP-OFF
    - Gonzaga will look to improve to 8-1 overall on the season Sunday at Washington State. With the win, Gonzaga will post an 8-1 start to the season for the fourth time in program history and the second-straight season. Each of the previous three season's the Zags opened with an 8-1 record, they advanced to the NCAA Tournament: 2018-19, 2013-14 and 2008-09.
    - Gonzaga broke into the Associated Press Top 25 poll at No. 23 following a 76-70 overtime loss at Stanford on Nov. 17. This week, GU moved up four spots in both the Associated Press Top 25 and the Coaches Poll. GU is now No. 17 in the Coaches Poll and No. 18. in the AP Poll.
    - Washington State is the second of two scheduled Pac-12 programs on Gonzaga's schedule this season. GU previously fell in overtime to then-No. 3/3 Stanford at Stanford on Nov. 17. The Bulldogs carry a 23-69 overall record against current Pac-12 programs.
    - Gonzaga currently ranks second in the nation in percent attendance capacity. The Zags average 92.24 percent capacity; that's an average of 5,535 fans that fill McCarthey Athletic Center every game.
    - Gonzaga returns two starters and seven letter-winners from last season's squad that claimed the Zags' third consecutive and 15th overall West Coast Conference regular season title.
    - In 2018-19, the Bulldogs advanced to their third-straight NCAA Tournament, advancing to the Second Round.

    SCOUTING THE COUGARS
    - Washington State returns nine letter-winners and three starters from last season's squad that finished 9-21 overall with a 4-14 mark in Pac-12 play, good for 10th.
    - This season, the Cougars were picked to finish 10th in the preseason poll that was released in early October, coming in ahead of California and Colorado.
    - Redshirt senior Borislava Hristova returns for the Cougars at small forward as a three-time All-Pac-12 selection. Earlier this season, Hristova was also selected to the Cheryl Miller Award Watch List, one of 20 players in the country.
    - Through eight games this season, WSU averages 68.9 points per game shooting 44.1 percent from the floor and 35.1 percent from long range. Borislava leads the attack with 19.9 points per game shooting 48.1 percent from the floor. Chanelle Molina adds 15.6 points per game shooting 45.5 percent from the floor and 42.9 percent from long range.
    - As a squad, the Cougars average an even 38.0 boards per game to go along with 13.5 assists, 6.5 steals and 3.3 blocks per game. WSU also averages 16.5 turnovers per game and have committed at least 20 turnovers twice already this season.
    - Hristova also leads the charge on the glass, averaging a team-best 6.6 rebounds per game. Molina ads an even 6.0 rebounds per contest, while Ula Motuga adds 4.6.
    - The Cougars opened the season with a 4-0 record, collecting wins against WCC programs Pepperdine (85-48) and BYU (67-50). It was just the fifth time in program history the Cougars had started 4-0, and the first time since the 2015-16 season. However, in the last four games Washington State has finished 1-3, dropping three-straight at the Paradise Jam Tournament, all to ranked opponents (2/2 Baylor, 5/6 South Carolina and 17/23 Indiana). The Cougars got back on the winning track with an 85-56 victory over Arkansas-Pine Bluff on Wednesday.
    - In the last meeting between the two programs, Gonzaga defeated WSU 76-53 in Spokane. Five Bulldogs finished in double-figures, led by Jill Townsend with 13 points.

    SERIES REVIEW
    Overall: 18-10, Washington State leads
    Home: 6-5, Gonzaga leads
    Away: 10-3, Washington State leads
    Last Meeting: Gonzaga won 76-53 in Spokane on Dec. 9, 2018
    Streak: Gonzaga, Won 3
    - Sunday's game will be the 29th time in program history that the Zags have faced the Cougars. Washington State leads the series 18-10, but Gonzaga has won the last three straight games. The two programs have met every season since 2011.
    - This will mark the 13th time in program history that the Zags have played on Dec. 8. GU carries an 8-4 overall record on the date. It will also be the fifth time in program history that GU has faced WSU on Dec. 8 and the third time since 2015. The series is tied 2-2 when played on Dec. 8; the last time the Bulldogs faced WSU on Dec. 8 was in 2016. GU won 79-61 in Spokane.

    NO THREE FOR YOU
    - The Zags held Montana State scoreless from beyond-the-arc in Thursday's game in Bozeman. It marked the 17th time since the 1999-00 season--and third time under Head Coach Lisa Fortier--that Gonzaga had prevented an opponent from recording a made three. MSU finished 0-13 from long range, well below its season average of 6.2 made threes per game.

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    From the WSU web site:

    Women's Basketball Takes on No. 17/18 Gonzaga in Beasley on Sunday
    December 06, 2019 / Women's Basketball
    By: Washington State Athletic Communications

    PULLMAN, Wash. – The run through the preseason gauntlet continues for the Washington State women's basketball team this Sunday, as the Cougars challenge their fourth ranked opponent in 11 days, when No. 17/18 Gonzaga ventures into Beasley Coliseum. Tip-off against the Bulldogs is set for 2 p.m.

    THE STARTING FIVE
    -> Sunday marks the second of a three-straight games on Friel Court for the Cougs. Washington State currently stands at a perfect 4-0 at home this season after collecting an 85-56 victory over Arkansas-Pine Bluff on Wednesday. It was the second 25-plus-point win inside Beasley for WSU this season.

    -> When the Cougars tip-off against No. 17/18 Gonzaga, it will mark the fourth time in a little less than two weeks that Washington State has played a Top-20 opponent. WSU is currently 0-3 against ranked teams in 2019-20, after falling to No. 2/2 Baylor, No. 5/6 South Carolina and No. 17/18 Indiana in three-consecutive days at the 2019 Paradise Jam Tournament in the U.S. Virgin Islands from Nov. 28-30.

    -> The longtime Evergreen State rivalry between Washington State and Gonzaga continues on Sunday with the 31st meeting on the hardwood between the two eastern Washington schools. WSU holds the advantage in the all-time series at 20-10, but GU has won eight of the last 11 matchups and comes into this weekend's game having won three straight over the Cougars.

    -> Senior Chanelle Molina will be honored on Friel Court prior to Sunday's game for scoring her 1,000th career point. The point guard scored her 1,000th-point last Thursday in the Virgin Islands against No. 2 Baylor in a season-best 25-point performance. She currently has 1,051 points, which places her at No. 17 on Washington State's all-time scoring list.

    -> Head coach Kamie Ethridge is closing in on 100 career victories as a head coach. She enters Sunday's game with an overall record of 97-68, needing just three more miles to capture the milestone.

    LAST TIME OUT
    Washington State found itself back on the winning side of the scoreboard with an 85-56 victory over Arkansas-Pine Bluff on Wednesday night to snap a three-game losing streak. Redshirt senior Borislava Hristova recorded her second double-double of the season with a season-high 27 points and 10 rebounds to pace a trio of double-digit scores for the Cougars.

    #BOBIBOARDS
    Borislava Hristova has earned the nickname #BobiBuckets for her offensive prowess on the court over the years, but with how frequently the senior has been crashing the board this season, she may have herself a new moniker. Hristova currently leads the Cougars in rebounding at 6.6 caroms per game, while she is coming off her second double-double of the season with a season-best 27 points and 10 boards against Arkansas-Pine Bluff. The forward has pulled down at least eight rebounds in five of WSU's eight games this season.

    DYNAMIC DUO
    Borislava Hristova and Chanelle Molina have the Cougar offense clicking this season, as the pair of seniors both currently rank inside the top 10 in the Pac-12 in scoring. Hristova's 19.9 points per game leads the Cougars, and is second-best in the Pac-12, while Molina's 15.6 points per games is the sixth-highest average in the league.

    BEING ELITE
    Senior Chanelle Molina has elevated her play of late, as the guard has averaged 17.4 points, 6.0 rebounds and 4.2 assists over her last five contests. The run has been highlighted by a pair of 20-point performances in back-to-back games against CSUN (21 pts) and No. 2 Baylor (25 pts).

    PROVIDING A SPARK OFF THE BENCH
    Redshirt junior Jovana Subasic returned to double-digits in the scoring column for the Cougars against Arkansas-Pine Bluff with a 13-point performance. The 6-4 forward is averaging a team-best 8.3 points off the bench this season, and has scored double figures three times this season.
    What WSU team is going to show up on Sunday? The team with a 4-0 record at home who has dominated two (2) previous WCC opponents including BYU or the team that was dominated in the 2019 Paradise Jam Tournament by #2/#2 Baylor, #5/#6 South Carolina and #17/#18 Indiana.

    It is time to Zag Up,

    Go Zags,

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    Gonzaga leads WSU 22-13 at the end of the 1st quarter...

    Katie Campbell leads the Zags with 7 points...Jenn Wirth follows with 6 points...

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    Lady Zag's puttin' it on 'em at the moment.
    This post is for March Madness seeding purposes only.

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    Zags came to play out the gate today.
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    At the half, Gonzaga leads 41-23...

    Jill Townsend leads the Lady Zags with 9 points...Jenn Wirth follows with 8 points...

    Both Katie Campbell and Jessie Loera are next with 7 points...

    http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=279918

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    Lady Zags have hit 5 of last 7 shots from the field...Now lead by 25...55-30...

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    After 3 quarters, Lady Zags lead 61-35...

    4 Lady Zags are in double figures...Jill Townsend with 14 points, Jenn Wirth with 13, LeeAnne Wirth with 12 and Jessie Loera with 10 points...

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    Gonzaga defeats WSU 76-53...

    http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=279918

    LeeAnne Wirth leads the Lady Zags with 16 points and 10 rebounds, Jill Townsend finishes with 14 points, Jenn Wirth scores 13 points and Jessie Loera finishes with 10 points...

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    WBB: Zags Roll in Pullman, Defeat Washington State 76-53

    LeeAnne Wirth led all scorers with career-high 16 points

    Gonzaga 76 - WSU 53 Final Box Score Link

    PULLMAN, Wash. – The No. 18/17 Gonzaga women's basketball team defeated Washington State 76-53 Sunday afternoon inside Beasley Coliseum in Pullman, Wash.

    Gonzaga (8-1) finished with four players in double-figures led by a career-high from LeeAnne Wirth with 16 points. The junior added 10 rebounds for her first double-double of the season. Jill Townsend added 14 points, Jenn Wirth finished with 13 and Jessie Loera added 10 with a game-high seven assists.

    The Bulldogs shot 49.2 percent from the floor and an even 50 percent from long range while limiting Washington State (5-4) to 30.8 percent shooting. GU forced 15 turnovers on the Cougars, which led to 16 points for the Bulldogs, while collecting eight steals on the afternoon.

    "I think our team played really well," head coach Lisa Fortier said. "We came out ready to go. For three quarters we played really great defense, and we ran really great offense. When you're passing the ball, you have the inside threat and an outside threat, and you're really tough to stop. Our team played a very good game today."

    The Zags opened with a quick 11-4 run to lead by seven just four minutes into the contest; GU extended that lead to nine by the end of the first quarter. The Bulldogs forced WSU to shoot 27.8 percent from the floor in the second period and outscored the Cougars 19-10 to extend their lead to 18 heading into the break.

    Gonzaga's defensive presence continued into the second half as the Bulldogs held Washington State to 31.3 percent shooting in the final 20 minutes. The Zags controlled the paint as well, limiting the Cougars to just eight of their 30 points inside the key. Gonzaga led by as many as 29 points in the final quarter and rolled to the 76-53 victory.

    "We knew going out that we had to start off right off the tip," LeeAnne Wirth said. "They have some really talented players that we had to key in on for sure. They have a lot of depth, so it definitely was a team defensive intensity focus. We just knew we had to do that right from the tip."

    Washington State was led by Borislava Hristova with 15 points while Chanelle Molina added 12 points and eight rebounds. Jovana Subasic also finished in double-figures with 11.

    Gonzaga returns to the floor Saturday, Dec. 14 at 2 p.m. inside the McCarthey Athletic Center.

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    From the WSU Wbb web site:

    Women's Basketball Handed a 76-53 loss to No. 17/18 Gonzaga at Beasley
    Game Recap: Women's Basketball | December 08, 2019 | Washington State Athletic Communications

    PULLMAN, Wash. – The Washington State University women's basketball team was handed its first defeat inside Beasley Coliseum of the 2019-20 season on Sunday, as the Cougars dropped a 76-53 decision to No. 17/18 Gonzaga.

    Coming into Sunday's contest, the Cougars had been a perfect 4-0 on Friel Court, but a fast start by the nationally-ranked Bulldogs on both ends of the floor sank any hopes of extending the WSU homecourt winning streak. Despite the loss on Sunday, the Cougs remain a game over the .500 mark on the season at 5-4. All four Washington State losses this season have come against teams ranked inside the top-20 of both national polls.

    The trio of Borislava Hristova, Chanelle Molina and Jovana Subasic each recorded double-digits in the scoring column for the second-consecutive game for the Cougs.

    Hristova paced WSU with a team-best 15 points, which was aided by a personal 7-0 run late in the fourth. Molina, who played all 40 minutes against Gonzaga this afternoon, chipped in 12 points to go along with a team-high five assists, while Subasic tied her career-high with three 3-point field goals en route to an 11-point effort off the bench.

    Washington State shot 30.8 percent from the field on the afternoon, while Gonzaga hit 49.2% of their shot attempts from the floor. The Cougars were cold from behind the arc all game, as they posted a season-low 17.6% (3-of-17) from downtown.

    Gonzaga opened the contest scoring 11 of the game's first 15 points to jump out to an 11-4 lead at the 3:46 mark of the first quarter. Washington State closed the gap to three points at 16-13 after long Hristova, but the Bulldogs closed the frame on a 6-0 run to extend their lead to 22-13.

    GU opened the second by scoring eight of the stanza's first 10 points to double up Washington State at 30-15. That would be as close as the Cougars would get for the remainder of the contest, as Gonzaga led by as many as 29 points before collecting the 23-point victory over WSU.

    Washington State will be back in action next Sunday, Dec. 15, when they close out its three-game homestand with matchup against UC Irvine. Tip-off from Beasley Coliseum is set for 4:30 p.m. PT and will air live on the Pac-12 Network.

    COUG QUOTES
    Head Coach Kamie Ethridge on Today's Performance: "I think we played a better team than us today. Gonzaga is built great, they have an unbelievable post presence, and they surround them with great shooters. They've got very versatile players that can handle the ball is certain spots of the floor that make them hard to guard. We put ourselves in a hole by having a lot of turnovers in the first half. We're kind of the opposite of them right now, we don't know where points are coming from. (Gonzaga's) defense made it really hard on Bobi and Chanelle, and its hard for us to manufacture enough points to compete with as solid of a team as Gonzaga is."

    COUG NOTES
    - With the today's loss, Washington State falls to 5-4 on the year and they've now dropped four-straight contests to Gonzaga. WSU still holds the all-time advantage over the Bulldogs at 20-11.
    - All four of WSU's losses this season have come to teams ranked inside the Top-20 of both the USA Today Coaches Poll and the Associated Press Poll

    - Today's attendance of 1,332 fans at Beasley Coliseum marks a new season-best figure in attendance for Washington State
    - Junior Jovana Subasic tied her career-high in 3-point field goals this afternoon en route to an 11-point outing off the bench. She previous set her career-high of three 3-pointers back on Jan. 4, 2019 at Oregon State, while the 11 points gives the Sabac, Serbia native back-to-back games scoring double-digits.
    - Senior Borislava Hristova extended her double-digit scoring streak to three-consecutive games with a 15-point outing against Gonzaga. The forward is now 95 points away from breaking WSU's all-time scoring record of 1,967 points.
    WSU Article Link: https://wsucougars.com/news/2019/12/...t-beasley.aspx

    Link to Post Game News Conference with WSU head coach Kamie Ethridge and a second Post Game News Conference with WSU players Hristova/Subasic & link to photo gallery: https://wsucougars.com/sports/womens-basketball

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    Great game Lady Zags!!

    You and the Coaching Staff brought it...

    It was nice to see LW have a great game (always good)... will make the opposing coaches have a fit on who to control under the basket.

    As I have said before... this starting five is tough to beat.

    Last... defense. Last 4 games averaging low 50s and that’s giving them the 4th quarters.

    Go Zags!!

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    From the Slipper Still Fits:

    Gonzaga Women Smash Washington State
    It was never close.
    By Steven Karr Dec 8, 2019, 6:41pm EST

    The Gonzaga women continued their dominant start to the season by beating another regional rival. After winning in Bozeman on Wednesday, the Bulldogs bussed over to Pullman and made quick work of the Washington State Cougars, 76-53. Four Zags finished in double figure scoring as they improve to 8-1 on the year.

    The Cougs scored the first bucket of the game and that would be their only lead the rest of the afternoon. Gonzaga quickly went up 11-4, pushed the lead to 18 by halftime, and led by as many as 29. As always, the defense was stifling, as they held Wazzu to just 31 percent shooting on the day and a measly 3-for-17 from distance.

    Gonzaga had one of their better performances from deep this season, shooting 8-for-16 beyond the arc, led by a 3-for-4 day from Jill Townsend, who finished with 14 points. The Wirth twins combined for 29 points and 15 rebounds while Jessie Loera tallied 10 points and seven assists.

    Lisa Fortier’s crew has three games left in their non-conference schedule before heading into WCC play. They have this week off because of finals before hosting Texas Southern on Saturday and then travel to Wyoming and host a really good Missouri State team on December 20.
    Article Link: https://www.slipperstillfits.com/201...shington-state

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    I think SkipZag hit the nail on the head, if Townie and the Wirths are all on you can’t double team all of them. This team shares the ball and the load so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zag Swagger View Post
    I think SkipZag hit the nail on the head, if Townie and the Wirths are all on you can’t double team all of them. This team shares the ball and the load so well.

    what I like about the individuals on this team is they are not afraid to shoot when open....the Truongs do not hesitate if they are open....JT moves into position for a shot...the Wirths, if they can not do a bunny under the basket will just shoot the 2, ala Sunny...granted, not all shots are going to fall, but some of them will and that is what will keep the defense honest..

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    A big improvement compared to the effort against Montana State.

    This team frequently makes it hard to find very much to have to work on for the next game. Overall shooting percentage of 49.2% for the entire game with the lowest overall shooting percentage quarter of 41.67% in the 4th quarter when most of the starters played very few minutes. 3 point shooting for the entire game of 50% with the lowest 3 point shooting percentage of 37.5% in the 1st quarter. Shooting from the charity stripe for the entire game of 83.3% with the lowest free throw shooting percentage of 75.0% in the 1st quarter. I would have settled for the lowest percentage in any quarter and thought the ladies did well and obviously they far exceed those kind of expectations.

    Playing time was once again evenly spaced out with 9 players getting double digit minutes and AV getting 8 minutes. So the roster time was managed very well and the subs got a lot more playing time than I would have expected. Nice job by CLF and the rest of the coaching staff.

    The rest of the offensive categories included 18 assists on 29 made baskets (not too bad), 4 blocks, 8 steals, forced 15 overall turnovers which lead to 16 points, 14 fast break points, 9 second chance points, 20 points in the paint and 14 points by the bench. I would note that the bench played 39.5% of the total minutes and yet only contributed 18.4% of the points. I realize the subs will not be as efficient as the starters, but for most of the minutes by the subs at least some of the subs were playing with some or most of the starters. We will need more point production from the subs in future games. Interesting to note that MK did not take a single shot yesterday in 22 minutes of playing time.

    I thought the Zag bigs made the decision to shoot or pass more quickly (but not always) than they did against Montana State. The double teams on the bigs were much less effective today than they were earlier in the week. Good Improvement.

    I also love the fact that the ladies are making more 3s per game. Last year the lady zags only made an average of 5.3 3s per game, near the bottom of the 351 D1 Wbb teams in the country. This year Gonzaga is making an average of 6.7 3s per game, a much need improvement. I would like to see the ladies get the made 3s up to 8 per game by the end of the season. Great job.

    Defensively, both teams had 39 rebounds and WSU outrebounded the Zags on the offensive side of the ball 15 to 7 leading to 9 second chance points by the Cougars. I thought there was just too many times the Cougars got 2 or 3 shots under the basket when the Zags should have been able to get a rebound. IMO, WSU played harder under their basket than the Lady Zags did. Since the leading rebounders for WSU were Molina and Bella Murekatete (each grabbed eight boards for the Cougars) it looks like the Zag guards lost Molina under the basket. A place for some improvement.

    One thing that does bother me a little bit has been the clock running scheme with the back-ups in the game. Game after game we have watched the team lose the 4th quarter, and sometimes much of our lead, when trying slowing things down. In you want to practice running the clock, leave your starters, particularly the guards, in. If you want to play the back-ups, then run your normal offense. Let the subs get practice running the offense.

    Anyway, not much to complain about after Sunday's game. Very nice overall game Zags. If the ladies keep this up, the grinch costume might have to stay in the closet.

    Some interesting comments on the Lady Zag team by CLF and Kami Etheridge, head coach of the Cougars after Sunday's game:

    “We came out ready to go,” Gonzaga coach Lisa Fortier said. “For three quarters we played really great defense, and we ran really great offense. When you’re passing the ball, you have the inside threat and an outside threat, and you’re really tough to stop.” (What about that 4th quarter coach??)

    Head Coach Kamie Ethridge on Today's Performance: "I think we played a better team than us today. Gonzaga is built great, they have an unbelievable post presence, and they surround them with great shooters. They've got very versatile players that can handle the ball is certain spots of the floor that make them hard to guard."

    "(Gonzaga's) defense made it really hard on Bobi and Chanelle, and its hard for us to manufacture enough points to compete with as solid of a team as Gonzaga is."

    "Baylor, South Carolina, Indiana and Gonzaga are four very solidly teams built to go deep into the NCAA Tournament"

    Knowing what Gonzaga was doing and being able to prevent it were two different things for Washington State. “We knew it going in. Our scouts said they suck you into needing to help on the post. Then they kick it out to 3-point shooters,” WSU coach Kamie Ethridge said. That they did. The 18th-ranked Bulldogs (9-1) hit 8 of 16 from beyond the arc..."

    Something of note, Today's attendance of 1,332 fans at Beasley Coliseum marks a new season-best figure in attendance for Washington State.

    For those interested in comparison's, here are the scores for each of WSU's four (4) losses:
    - #2 Baylor vs WSU - Baylor wins 89 - 66 (23 pts) in game 1 in St. Thomas
    - #5 South Carolina vs WSU - South Carolina wins 68 - 53 (15 pts) in game 2 in St. Thomas
    - #17 Indiana vs WSU - Indiana wins 78 - 44 (34 pts) in game 3 in St. Thomas
    - #18 Gonzaga vs WSU - Gonzaga wins 76 - 53 (23 pts) in game at WSU

    For comparison purposes, beat WSU by more points than Baylor, and the same number points as South Carolina. Indiana won by more points than the Zags but it was the 3rd game played in 3 days and played on a neutral court. Gonzaga's game was played at WSU with the Cougars having 4 days rest. All in all, I think this is a pretty good comparison of a common opponent for the lady zags.

    As if one (1) holiday tournament is not enough, the Cougars are once again traveling south to play in Miami (12/20 & 12/21) against Southern and the University of Miami (another currently ranked team).

    Good luck on your finals ladies.

    Texas Southern is next up on the schedule for Saturday. Let's check the "W" box on this one.

    Go Zags,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagDad84 View Post
    Defensively, both teams had 39 rebounds and WSU outrebounded the Zags on the offensive side of the ball 15 to 7 leading to 9 second chance points by the Cougars. I thought there was just too many times the Cougars got 2 or 3 shots under the basket when the Zags should have been able to get a rebound. IMO, WSU played harder under their basket than the Lady Zags did. Since the leading rebounders for WSU were Molina and Bella Murekatete (each grabbed eight boards for the Cougars) it looks like the Zag guards lost Molina under the basket. A place for some improvement.

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    Kamie was asked if the even rebounding was something promising to take away. Her response was she thinks "statistics can be misleading and that (the rebounding) was probably a very misleading stat" in this game. There's no BS meter with Kamie. She tells it like it is.

    Based on what I have seen this season IMO GU is more talented, balanced, and deeper than #12 Indiana. IU beat now #5 South Carolina. Take of all that what you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylean View Post
    what I like about the individuals on this team is they are not afraid to shoot when open....the Truongs do not hesitate if they are open....JT moves into position for a shot...the Wirths, if they can not do a bunny under the basket will just shoot the 2, ala Sunny...granted, not all shots are going to fall, but some of them will and that is what will keep the defense honest..
    Sylean, you prompted me to look up the stats. Here are this years stats for 3-point shooting and it was an eye-opener for me:

    Name - GP - 3PM - 3PA - 3P% - 3PM/G - 3PA/G
    Katie - 9 - 20 - 42 - .476 - 2.2 - 4.7
    K-11 - 9 - 9 - 24 - .375 - 1.0 - 2.7
    Jessie - 9 - 9 - 24 - .375 - 1.0 - 2.7
    Jill T - 9 - 9 - 24 - .375 - 1.0 - 2.7
    Louise- 9 - 7 - 19 - .368 - 0.8 - 2.1
    K-14 - 9 - 4 - 7 - .571 - 0.4 - 0.8
    Jenn - 9 - 2 - 5 - .400 - 0.2 - 0.6
    LA-W - 9 - 0 - 1 - .000 - 0.0 - 0.1
    GB - 6 - 0 - 1 - .000 - 0.0 - 0.2

    Everybody who has made a 3 point shot this year (7 different players) is shooting at least 36.8%.

    Through 9 games, K11, JL and JT have taken the exact same number of 3s (24) and made exactly the same number of 3s (9). Who'd of thunk it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coug Tracks View Post
    Kamie was asked if the even rebounding was something promising to take away. Her response was she thinks "statistics can be misleading and that (the rebounding) was probably a very misleading stat" in this game. There's no BS meter with Kamie. She tells it like it is.
    I agree and disagree with Coach Kamie. From the WSU standpoint, yes, all the offensive rebounds (15) did not significantly help the Cougars because they were only able to convert those 15 offensive rebounds into 12 points, so in that case, yes the offensive rebounds did not significantly impact the game. In that case the statistics can be misleading.

    From the Zags point of view, watching the Cougars get 2 & 3 shots on the same trip down the court (most of WSU offensive rebounds were not due to 3 pt shot misses). The Zags have the height, aggressiveness and physicality to limit the number of offensive rebounds. From the Zag standpoint, IMO reducing the number of offensive rebounds is certainly something they need to work on.

    Welcome back Coug Tracks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagDad84 View Post
    I agree and disagree with Coach Kamie. From the WSU standpoint, yes, all the offensive rebounds (15) did not significantly help the Cougars because they were only able to convert those 15 offensive rebounds into 12 points, so in that case, yes the offensive rebounds did not significantly impact the game. In that case the statistics can be misleading.

    From the Zags point of view, watching the Cougars get 2 & 3 shots on the same trip down the court (most of WSU offensive rebounds were not due to 3 pt shot misses). The Zags have the height, aggressiveness and physicality to limit the number of offensive rebounds. From the Zag standpoint, IMO reducing the number of offensive rebounds is certainly something they need to work on.

    Welcome back Coug Tracks,

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    Kamie's point was GU shot a high percentage and therefore really didn't have the opportunity for a lot of offensive boards. However, when they did miss they were able to come away with offensive rebounds. WSU shot poorly and therefore had a lot more opportunities for offensive boards. Overall I agree with where she was going. The game wasn't competitive enough to take much of anything away from a single statistic that wasn't dominated by GU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coug Tracks View Post
    Kamie's point was GU shot a high percentage and therefore really didn't have the opportunity for a lot of offensive boards. However, when they did miss they were able to come away with offensive rebounds. WSU shot poorly and therefore had a lot more opportunities for offensive boards. Overall I agree with where she was going. The game wasn't competitive enough to take much of anything away from a single statistic that wasn't dominated by GU.

    Kamie was right on....lies, damn lies and then there's statistics...numbers taken alone are not true indicators without looking at the whole picture......our coach basically said the same thing a couple of yrs ago when we won a game, but lost the rebounding battle.......

    good luck the rest of the way Coug tracks..... your team will win some games this year.......

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    I’m with Kamie on stats can somewhat can be miss leading... so many variables in your stile of play and your opponents.

    Inside game... lots of inside rebound. 3 ball teams... lots of outside rebounds. Transition teams... the guards tend to react defensively to the break rather than the rebound.

    Still doesn’t mean the one and done isn’t important.

    Go Zags!!

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    Good morning to you too.

    Man, I feel like I've gone 10 rounds with the Zag Wbb posters. But I am off the mat and willing to go another round.

    The original discussion was concerning Coach Kami's comments on the statistic that WSU had more offensive rebounds than GU did, what she thought, which was that this was a somewhat meaningless statistic.

    The discussion was not concerning the viability of statistics. There is no argument that by simply looking at statistics you can identify a problem. There may be any number of reasons a given statistic is out of whack for a game or even a season. For example, Purdue did not hit a single 3 when the played the Zags. Great perimeter defense? GU luck by Purdue missing wide open 3s? In reality, a combination of both.

    Coach Kami's comment on offensive rebounds and in the context which the question was posed came in during her post game press conference in response to a reporter asking her if the cougs, by winning the offensive rebounding battle, could take something positive away from the game. Coach Kami responded exactly as Coug Tracks posted above:

    Kamie's point was GU shot a high percentage and therefore really didn't have the opportunity for a lot of offensive boards. However, when they did miss they were able to come away with offensive rebounds. WSU shot poorly and therefore had a lot more opportunities for offensive boards. The game wasn't competitive enough to take much of anything away from a single statistic that wasn't dominated by GU.
    I 100% agree and that was not the point I was trying to make. I don't care that WSU got more offensive rebounds than GU, I am in complete agreement with Coach Kami in that winning the offensive rebounding battle is a totally misleading statistic.

    The intent of my post was, from the Zag point of view, (regardless of how many offensive rebounds GU accumulated during the game) the Lady Zags, in on 50-50 balls under the WSU basket, allowed WSU to get to 15 offensive rebounds. Yes Skip, teams that shoot a lot of 3 point shots will tend to get a lot of offensive rebounds, that was not the case for WSU. The vast majority of WSU's offensive rebounds were gathered directly under the basket (from the eyeball test not the statistics page).

    IMO, the fact that WSU got 15 opportunities for 2nd and 3rd chance points is too many and there may be any number of reasons for that, but, the fact is 15 offensive rebounds is the most we have given up all year. We only gave up 11 offensive rebounds to Stanford, 9 offensive rebounds to Purdue, 7 to MSTU and 9 to Dayton. For the year, the Lady Zags have permitted anywhere from 3 offensive rebounds to 12 offensive rebounds in every game this season prior to Sunday's game with WSU. Yes, the more offensive shots a team takes will give them more opportunities for an offensive rebound and WSU took as many shots as any other team has all year (65). However, Dayton took the same number of offensive shots as WSU (65) and Stanford (64) took only 1 shot less than WSU, but we did not allow these opponents to get 15 offensive rebounds.

    So I stand by the intent of my post which was, that the Lady Zags have something to work on for their next game.

    O'K posters, I am ready for you, bring it on.

    ZagDad

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    Bringing it on...

    As I said... I’m a one and done guy. And with GU running a man (woman) defense... there should be a lot of blocking out.

    The only stat that I’m concerned with is the score at the end... while the coaching staff will use the stats as part of their grading and what needs work, It is only one tool in a big tool bag. I think Kamie understands that in her comments.

    Go Zags!!

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