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    Default Team Canada Camp List (Gonzaga North)

    Go Zags!!! It is so cool to have 4 Zags get the invite. It would be amazing to have all four make the team, unlikely but...

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    I wonder if Robert Sacre is done playing basketball? I thought he was a Canadian, and if so I would expect him to get invited to this camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    I wonder if Robert Sacre is done playing basketball? I thought he was a Canadian, and if so I would expect him to get invited to this camp.
    I'm pretty sure he is still playing in Japan. That said, he's not really in contention for Team Canada anymore. Too many NBA and top level European guys for him to realistically make it.

    Olynyk is a lock to make the team and my money is on Pangos snagging the last guard spot.

    I think Clarke is more there for the experience and then get right back to Memphis to work on getting up to speed with the Grizz. Wiltjer is a pretty longshot to make the squad.

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    He's playing in Japan, but I think he's just down the depth chart for bigs.

    edit: Ont beat me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    Go Zags!!! It is so cool to have 4 Zags get the invite. It would be amazing to have all four make the team, unlikely but...

    https://www.basketball.ca/en/news-ar...-team-training
    No expert here but fair to say this is the most talent ever assembled by Team Canada?
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    Absolutely its the largest talent pool Canada has ever had to pick from. Canada has come so far, its hard to believe that NBA players will have to be cut from the national teams final roster.

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    Rob Sacre's basketball career is likely over. He actually lives in Spokane now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OntZags View Post
    I'm pretty sure he is still playing in Japan. That said, he's not really in contention for Team Canada anymore. Too many NBA and top level European guys for him to realistically make it.

    Olynyk is a lock to make the team and my money is on Pangos snagging the last guard spot.

    I think Clarke is more there for the experience and then get right back to Memphis to work on getting up to speed with the Grizz. Wiltjer is a pretty longshot to make the squad.
    I agree with Kelly being a lock. It has come up in some interviews with Rowan Barrett that he is looking to put together the best "team" available and not just a collection of the best talent available. I would think this greatly improves Kevin's chances of being selected, he would be a great teammate and would be willing to fill any role offered to him. Plus he has all that international experience which is huge as fiba is such a different game than NBA.

    I think Wiltjer has an opportunity as a specialist because of his elite shooting. He probably wouldn't get much playing time but he doesn't seem like the type of shooter who who be bothered by coming in cold off the bench. Not sure if that will be enough considering what they have to choose from but you never know.

    I also would agree with you about Brandon. He probably is just there for the experience and I doubt Memphis would want him to pursue this given he is entering his rookie season.

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    We could have 4 Zags on the floor at the same time!

    I know it's unlikely... but one can dream!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    Rob Sacre's basketball career is likely over. He actually lives in Spokane now.
    Oh, I hadn't realized that he was back in town. Last I'd heard he was still playing in Japan. Wishing him all the best, one of my favorite Zags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GonzagasaurusFlex View Post
    No expert here but fair to say this is the most talent ever assembled by Team Canada?
    And it’s not even including two former #1 overall picks. Is Anthony Bennett still playing basketball? Haven’t heard that name in a while.
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    Anthony Bennett was just signed to a contract by the Houston Rockets...pretty sure it’s a non-guaranteed deal but he had been playing in the G-league.

    I thought I heard Wiggins was planning on playing in this tournament, but that must have changed.


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    I hope Olynyk goes beast mode for Team Canada and shows out big time. His time is now
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuZag2012 View Post
    Anthony Bennett was just signed to a contract by the Houston Rockets...pretty sure it’s a non-guaranteed deal but he had been playing in the G-league.

    I thought I heard Wiggins was planning on playing in this tournament, but that must have changed.


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    Bennett had a decent year in G league last year (40+% from the three) and has a chance with Houston given the money they are paying their stars..

    Wiggins may never play for Canada again, and reality is "the team" will probably be better without him. With Brooks and Barret coming through.

    I'm going to see both Canada/Australia games in Perth (a bit of a trip) and will be over the moon if both Kelly and KP play (I am guessing that they will take a couple of extras on the trip before they make the final cuts).

    Canada will also play here in Sydney (found out after I bought the Perth tickets...) and I'm going to one of the New Zealnd Games .

    After spending the money on the Perth Games I couldn't afford the US/Canada tickets

    Will love to see them make it out of their group at the world championships (got a slight bit easier with Simmons not playing).

    KO and Jamal Murray will have to come up big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus View Post
    I agree with Kelly being a lock. It has come up in some interviews with Rowan Barrett that he is looking to put together the best "team" available and not just a collection of the best talent available. I would think this greatly improves Kevin's chances of being selected, he would be a great teammate and would be willing to fill any role offered to him. Plus he has all that international experience which is huge as fiba is such a different game than NBA.

    I think Wiltjer has an opportunity as a specialist because of his elite shooting. He probably wouldn't get much playing time but he doesn't seem like the type of shooter who who be bothered by coming in cold off the bench. Not sure if that will be enough considering what they have to choose from but you never know.

    I also would agree with you about Brandon. He probably is just there for the experience and I doubt Memphis would want him to pursue this given he is entering his rookie season.


    I concur.

    Olynyk is consider one of the "Big Three" core vets with a Cory Joseph and Tristan Thompson. Barring some wild unforeseen scenario - Olynyk should be starting and along with Jamal Murray have the offense built around him. In my opinion FIBA Kelly Olynyk is a much better player than NBA Kelly Olynyk and likely our number 2 after Murray.

    Pangos if I had to bet will be on the team - Nurse realizes the importance of FIBA players and big game experience. Pangos is a professional, calm, measured, flexible, bench guard able to play multiple positions (also something Nurse loves) or not play at all without getting bent out of shape.

    Wiltjer is on the outside looking in. I don't see him making the final squad as we just have too much forward depth. He could carve a role as a deep bench offensive role player, but he is just so darn limited on D he can not see meaningful minutes at this level. The one thing to note is that this is an "invite" list not necessarily who will actually show up - Wiltjer could make the team if a number of guys ahead of him fall off.

    I also really don't see any intention for any rookies making this team including Clarke and RJ Barrett. I think they are there to get pulled into the program, learn the system a little and get to know the other players better. I bet they all will all be focusing on their NBA rookie commitments and are not able to playing the WC. But showing up to camp for 3-7 days works.


    I almost flipped my lid when I saw this list - it truly is impressive. It represents almost all of our top 30 players around the globe. Wiggins is the only one missing that would realistically make the final 12 in my opinion. Other missing of note are Anthony Bennett (focused on a new shot at the NBA), Andrew Nicholson, Dylan Ennis and Tyler Ennis (injured).

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    Ozzy - if I recall correctly, you are an Lithuanian living in Australia who knows allot about Canadian basketball. Kind of unique and I am curious on your take with this Lithuania, Canada, Australia Pool of Death. How you handicapping things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    I also really don't see any intention for any rookies making this team including Clarke and RJ Barrett. I think they are there to get pulled into the program, learn the system a little and get to know the other players better. I bet they all will all be focusing on their NBA rookie commitments and are not able to playing the WC. But showing up to camp for 3-7 days works.
    I would be shocked if either Clarke or Barrett don't make this team. Barrett is a lock in my opinion. Clarke too. Clarke moved pretty quickly in becoming FIBA eligible for Canada and he mentioned in an interview that he had to get his ducks in a row to play for Canada, which presumably meant getting a Canadian passport.

    I hope you're right about Pangos, though. Would love to see Pangos do really for Canada, play in the NBA in 2020, and become a key player for the 2020 Olympics team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB4 View Post
    I would be shocked if either Clarke or Barrett don't make this team. Barrett is a lock in my opinion. Clarke too. Clarke moved pretty quickly in becoming FIBA eligible for Canada and he mentioned in an interview that he had to get his ducks in a row to play for Canada, which presumably meant getting a Canadian passport.

    I hope you're right about Pangos, though. Would love to see Pangos do really for Canada, play in the NBA in 2020, and become a key player for the 2020 Olympics team.
    Historically it is very, VERY rare for any NBA rookie to play FIBA the year they are drafted. It rarely does happen, with Sabonis, being one of the only I can remember in years and years. Maybe one of the Turkish kids too (I think Osman a few years back in the Euros maybe).

    Anyways - these guys have loads of rookie commitments and pressure not to play. I really think they will participate just to get their feet wet at camp. Now Barrett (if anyone) I could see playing due to his relationship with Basketball Canada (Dad is the GM), but he even said he is unsure a week or so ago. I'm also not sure any of the rooks deserve to be on the team - they have not played a second of professional basketball against grown men and you really don't know what you got with these kids yet.

    It is like a GU fan saying a 4 star recruit is a lock to start on a team full of seniors that is a championship contender. You just don't really know - it is probably doubtful.

    I'd rather have mid career vets who are experience with FIBA and who can hit an outside shot and defend (looking at you Barrett).We are, however, very weak at the SF spot (no Wiggins - Brooks may be still hurt) - so maybe Barrett could earn his way onto the final 12. It is great Clarke is at camp but even he (who I think is a better player than Barrett today) is not among our top 5-7 bigs right now. He has never (ever!) played FIBA either - and it is a very different game. Don't get me wrong, I love Clarke and hopefully he will be one of our main bigs in the future as guys like Thompson or KO age out.

    What big is Clarke deserving of a spot over? I'll you now it clearly ain't Thompson, Olynyk, Powell or Birch. Trey Lyles? No. Melvin Ejim? No. Chris Boucher? Maybe. Kyle Wiltjer? Depends on need. I personally think we go with 5 bigs and Melvin Ejim gets the nod due to FIBA experience, versatility and his crucial role in getting us here. Trey Lyles would be next in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    What big is Clarke deserving of a spot over? I'll you now it clearly ain't Thompson, Olynyk, Powell or Birch. Trey Lyles? No. Melvin Ejim? No. Chris Boucher? Maybe. Kyle Wiltjer? Depends on need. I personally think we go with 5 bigs and Melvin Ejim gets the nod due to FIBA experience, versatility and his crucial role in getting us here. Trey Lyles would be next in line.
    I don't think deserving is the right way to look at this. If he's better than those guys and wants to play then the spot should be his, no doubt.

    Powell and Birch have been able to carve out NBA roles as bench players, but Clarke has already shown more promise than both of them in a single NBA summer league. Canada has a great group of vets who have consistently shown up to international competitions, but they've also blown major chances on the biggest stage (Venezuela game most notably). This team should be focused on winning, not giving guys legacy spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worthington View Post
    I don't think deserving is the right way to look at this. If he's better than those guys and wants to play then the spot should be his, no doubt.

    Powell and Birch have been able to carve out NBA roles as bench players, but Clarke has already shown more promise than both of them in a single NBA summer league.
    It's a big if. I love Clarke as much as the next guy but I reckon you're getting a touch out of sorts with your expectations based on 5 games of summer league. The illustrious list of summer league MVPS includes Josh Selby, Kyle Anderson & Glen Rice Jr., among others.

    It's very unlikely Clarke is going to be put above any of Thompson, Olynyk, Powell or Birch at this point in time. That's just being objective. Odds are he just goes to training camp, gets a little taste of Basketball Canada and then goes right back to Memphis to start preparing for his NBA career. It's what the Grizzlies will want and Basketball Canada will ultimately want to curry as much favour with the org as they can for future tournaments.

    The only Canadian rookie I see possibly going is Barrett and that is because of positional need and who his father is. I'd be shocked if any others went.

    Canada has a great group of vets who have consistently shown up to international competitions, but they've also blown major chances on the biggest stage (Venezuela game most notably). This team should be focused on winning, not giving guys legacy spots.
    The Venezuela game is one example. Care to cite all the others? This is the first time the majority of Basketball Canada's top players have committed to the program. Thompson/Olynyk/Joseph are just 28 years old and the only guys actually in their prime. (really just entering it) The rest of the guys are just coming up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worthington View Post
    I don't think deserving is the right way to look at this. If he's better than those guys and wants to play then the spot should be his, no doubt.

    Powell and Birch have been able to carve out NBA roles as bench players, but Clarke has already shown more promise than both of them in a single NBA summer league. Canada has a great group of vets who have consistently shown up to international competitions, but they've also blown major chances on the biggest stage (Venezuela game most notably). This team should be focused on winning, not giving guys legacy spots.
    I think I was one of the earliest and most intense humpers of Clarke's leg on this board, but to think he is a better player at this time than Dwight Powell or Khem Birch is some serious homerism that even my Vancouver born and raised butt can't get on board with. Further both Powell and Birch are experienced FIBA players where Clarke to my knowledge has not played one minute of FIBA in his life - a very very different game. Nor has he played a minute of true professional basketball yet. Give the kid some time will you? It is the World Cup were every game matters - you go with your proven vets, not gamble on unproven kids. This is not the time to roll the dice to see if Clarke's 6'8 205 pound frame can handle real grown pros in Jonas Valančiūnas, Sabonis, Aaron Baynes or Andrew Bogut. But we do know Khem Birch was the best in the league in paint protection behind only Rudy Gobert from Jan 2019 to the end of the season. We do know Dwight Powell has been once of the best rim running, PnR bigs in the NBA the last couple years and among the top 5 in the league in offensive efficiency (#1 in TS%, #8 in WS/48, #20 in OWS, #24 in BPM, #33 in WS, #36 in PER) It is crazy how under rated Powell is. What do we know about Clarke yet? That he is an awesome summer league player - and might one day be as good as Dwight Powell (or hopefully better) - but he surely isn't now.

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    Thompson/Olynyk/Joseph are just 28 years old and the only guys actually in their prime. (really just entering it) The rest of the guys are just coming up.

    These 3 with Jamaal Murray and one other is strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OntZags View Post
    It's a big if. I love Clarke as much as the next guy but I reckon you're getting a touch out of sorts with your expectations based on 5 games of summer league. The illustrious list of summer league MVPS includes Josh Selby, Kyle Anderson & Glen Rice Jr., among others.

    It's very unlikely Clarke is going to be put above any of Thompson, Olynyk, Powell or Birch at this point in time. That's just being objective. Odds are he just goes to training camp, gets a little taste of Basketball Canada and then goes right back to Memphis to start preparing for his NBA career. It's what the Grizzlies will want and Basketball Canada will ultimately want to curry as much favour with the org as they can for future tournaments.

    The only Canadian rookie I see possibly going is Barrett and that is because of positional need and who his father is. I'd be shocked if any others went.

    I’m mainly addressing the point Mojo made about given the spots to players who are the most deserving. It seemed to me that he was suggesting that Canada basketball pick their squad based on national team experience over talent. I don’t believe that this is the approach we should be taking. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted.

    You’re a Gonzaga fan, so you know as well as I do that Clarke’s performance isn’t just a flash in the pan. His PER last season was the second highest over a ten year stretch after on Zion Williamson. None of those guys you mention have that kind of pedigree.

    I have Khem Birch and Dwight Powell comfortably making the roster. Suggesting that Clarke has no chance to make it over guys like Trey Lyles, Melvin Ejim, and Chris Boucher based on merit is silly to me. Ejim is a solid role player, but doesn’t have half of Clarke’s talent. Lyles is an okay NBA bench player, but most would agree that he can’t impact winning in the same ways that Clarke can. The defensive versatility alone is worthy of consideration, not to mention that he’s a better finisher around the rim than any of them. I’m grateful that these guys are coming out for Canada Basketball, but Clarke should have every opportunity to take a spot from them if he wants it.


    Quote Originally Posted by OntZags View Post
    The Venezuela game is one example. Care to cite all the others? This is the first time the majority of Basketball Canada's top players have committed to the program. Thompson/Olynyk/Joseph are just 28 years old and the only guys actually in their prime. (really just entering it) The rest of the guys are just coming up.
    That game is egregious enough on its own. I recall them having another opportunity to qualify after that where they could not capitalize (although the competition was much better in that qualifier). I think it would be fair to say that the Triano era of Canada basketball was fairly underwhelming on the whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    I think I was one of the earliest and most intense humpers of Clarke's leg on this board, but to think he is a better player at this time than Dwight Powell or Khem Birch is some serious homerism that even my Vancouver born and raised butt can't get on board with. Further both Powell and Birch are experienced FIBA players where Clarke to my knowledge has not played one minute of FIBA in his life - a very very different game. Nor has he played a minute of true professional basketball yet. Give the kid some time will you? It is the World Cup were every game matters - you go with your proven vets, not gamble on unproven kids. This is not the time to roll the dice to see if Clarke's 6'8 205 pound frame can handle real grown pros in Jonas Valančiūnas, Sabonis, Aaron Baynes or Andrew Bogut. But we do know Khem Birch was the best in the league in paint protection behind only Rudy Gobert from Jan 2019 to the end of the season. We do know Dwight Powell has been once of the best rim running, PnR bigs in the NBA the last couple years and among the top 5 in the league in offensive efficiency (#1 in TS%, #8 in WS/48, #20 in OWS, #24 in BPM, #33 in WS, #36 in PER) It is crazy how under rated Powell is. What do we know about Clarke yet? That he is an awesome summer league player - and might one day be as good as Dwight Powell (or hopefully better) - but he surely isn't now.
    I agree that Birch and Powell would most likely be ahead on the depth chart, but you also stated that Clarke had no chance of making it over Trey Lyles and Melvin Ejim. I think the Memphis Grizzlies are going to be sorely disappointed if Brandon Clarke is not currently a better player than Melvin Ejim.

    Also, a rookie (especially a 22 year old rookie) being better than Khem Birch and Dwight Powell is not as absurd as you're making it out to be. Look at the past couple all rookie teams, and there are a number of young guys who are clearly considered better than them already. We're not talking about NBA All-stars here, Clarke figures to be in the Memphis rotation just as much, if not more, than Powell, Birch, or Lyles on any of their respective teams. It's no exaggeration that Clarke already does numerous things on the court better than these guys, he's simply got tools and instincts that they don't have.

    Honestly, I suspect he won't end up playing for Team Canada, because he will want to focus on getting ready for the NBA season. I'm just saying that I believe he's already in the mix for a roster spot should he choose to accept it and that Team Canada should assemble the best talent and not give out legacy spots. Sorry if I misinterpreted your original post, but that was my major point of contention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    Ozzy - if I recall correctly, you are an Lithuanian living in Australia who knows allot about Canadian basketball. Kind of unique and I am curious on your take with this Lithuania, Canada, Australia Pool of Death. How you handicapping things?
    Not Quite Mojo.

    North Vancouver born, B.C / Alberta raised. Now Australian citizen due to meeting an Aussie girl in London back in the 80s.

    Knowledge of Lithuanian limited to following Zalgiris for two years while KP played there.

    The "Pool of death....."

    Australia, without Simmons is still formidable although Bogut (I saw him play live here last year, still strong defensively) is limited to how much court time he can handle (and is somewhat injury prone).

    The back court of Delly and Mills will be in tough against whoever we throw at them. Joe Ingles is better than anyone we have at that position (and Mitch Creek is solid as a backup) but their forwards (with a limited Bogut) will struggle to match our experienced group. Baynes is a Journeyman who is solid but not spectacular, Bolden is probably going to cause more issues on both ends of the court and plays with a lot of energy. Not sure if Landale will play as he may have an NBA chance this year after a good showing in summer league. All in all though between them all they don't even add up to the experience of Tristan* and the impact that Olynyk, Powell and Birch will have (over 1400 NBA games between them all).
    *Note: I understand that Tristan has now pulled out....a spot for Boucher or Wiltjer...?


    The back court of CoJo, Murray and SGA (hope he makes the team) is very strong and having Pangos as the backup point guard will help as he and Kelly know each other very well, I see Phil Scrubb as the fifth guard and both he and KP can play either position. At wing we have all the question marks, If Brooks is healthy enough he starts, if not, if Barret plays he starts, if not we drop down to Thomas Scrubb.


    Lithuania is weak at guard with smart but not overly athletic players, but they are used to playing FIBA ball and are extremely passionate about their basketball (like NZ in rugby).
    In the front court they have Valančiūnas and Sabonis (who will be give us fits) but I don't think their bench is as deep as the Canadian one. If we get them in foul trouble they will be vulnerable.


    X factors: Canada with a new coach, with a short time to get to know the players (except Boucher).They will have 3 extra games (over Australia) up their sleeve to help familiarize themselves with each other (2 x Nigeria, 2x Australia 1 x USA and 2 x NZ).
    Australia - Delly can make things interesting he is crafty and has a never say die attitude, Patty Mills when he is hot...…..
    Lithuania - They play more often together and are more experienced at FIBA style ball
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