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    You've only post 3 times Zagmeister. Jazz is a very insightful member of this board. Vandal like to insult and disrupt. It's just how he is. Jazz probably is correct on Norvell. He's taking a big change leaving school. Beloved by most here, I'd guess he's got little chance of being a lottery or even a top 50 pick. Like Van Fleet, our Norvell likely won't get drafted at least in a convincing number. But it's quite true that Norvell may defeat the odds like Van Fleet has and make it to the NBA. Only time will tell.
    In the meantime, there's really no reason to get hostile or even critical on this topic. If you continue to post Zagmeister, you
    ll see that most of the issues are much ado about nothing. Last Summer in the off season we had no major blowups and the board had little conflict. Let's hope we keep it to a peaceful simmer.

    When are the camps again Zag Buddy or ZagNative??

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    Fred VanVleet wasn't drafted by choice.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/e...-beyond-repair

    "There were some offers, and teams called on draft night," the former Wichita State point guard Fred VanVleet said about deciding against this option while at Summer League with the Raptors. "I had a good sense before the draft of where I was going to be or what was going to happen. Pretty much, though, the second half of the draft, most of those guys are draft-and-stash guys, and they tell you, 'We're going to put you in the D-League for three to four years' or 'We're going to put you overseas.' Getting my name called was important, but it wasn't important enough for someone to own me with no chance of making the team and no chance of having options."

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    Good article. Worth a read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    You've only post 3 times Zagmeister. Jazz is a very insightful member of this board. Vandal like to insult and disrupt. It's just how he is. Jazz probably is correct on Norvell. He's taking a big change leaving school. Beloved by most here, I'd guess he's got little chance of being a lottery or even a top 50 pick. Like Van Fleet, our Norvell likely won't get drafted at least in a convincing number. But it's quite true that Norvell may defeat the odds like Van Fleet has and make it to the NBA. Only time will tell.
    In the meantime, there's really no reason to get hostile or even critical on this topic. If you continue to post Zagmeister, you
    ll see that most of the issues are much ado about nothing. Last Summer in the off season we had no major blowups and the board had little conflict. Let's hope we keep it to a peaceful simmer.

    When are the camps again Zag Buddy or ZagNative??
    For me, Vandal keeping Jazz in check holds more truth than half the stuff Jazz posts. While I do enjoy a lot of Jazz’s insights, he takes his version of the truth way too far sometimes. On the thread about Norvell declaring for the draft Jazz said Zach checked out halfway through the season. For that to be true Norvell would have to not care about winning the games. Which also meant he didn’t give a sh!t about his teammates or the coaches. Vandal rightfully stepped in once again and called out Jazz’s post.

    If someone here can attack a player in such a way why not throw it back at them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    Good article. Worth a read.
    Puff Piece …. he offers a opinion without any statistical analysis to support it.....yes...players who are not drafted in the top 30 are not likely to play in the NBA.....he admits that the choice to go drafted or undrafted is made on a case by case basis.....you cannot conclude that there is a advantage to refuse a draft.... I suppose if you are a writer...you have to write something that will attract readers.

    I will only add that Williams Goss is pretty bright and he chose to sign with Utah.....and become a so called "draft and stash" player.

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    I’m still confused on the new draft rules... Can Zach still hypothetically return to GU if he goes undrafted (which is much more likely than Zach realizes, apparently)??

    I have read articles that say as long as that player participated in the NBA combine, which Zach did...he can return. I have no idea if he would consider this option even if could, but is this still a possibility if he goes undrafted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    Puff Piece …. he offers a opinion without any statistical analysis to support it.....yes...players who are not drafted in the top 30 are not likely to play in the NBA.....he admits that the choice to go drafted or undrafted is made on a case by case basis.....you cannot conclude that there is a advantage to refuse a draft.... I suppose if you are a writer...you have to write something that will attract readers.

    I will only add that Williams Goss is pretty bright and he chose to sign with Utah.....and become a so called "draft and stash" player.
    I wouldn't start a crazy fight over it Bart. In general these writers add zero, a lot or a little. Everything they write is their opinions. ie little to no data proving or disproving their point. What he wrote makes a lot of sense as you noted in the first line of your "contribution". We being in Summer, don't expect anything like we note during the season.
    "yes...players who are not drafted in the top 30 (top 20-50 even!) are not likely to play in the NBA....."<--- Bart says. I agree. Except there are 30 teams in the NBA.....somebody's got to stick. And I think this is why Norvell is on
    "shaky legs". Not a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotoriousZ View Post
    For me, Vandal keeping Jazz in check holds more truth than half the stuff Jazz posts. While I do enjoy a lot of Jazz’s insights, he takes his version of the truth way too far sometimes. On the thread about Norvell declaring for the draft Jazz said Zach checked out halfway through the season. For that to be true Norvell would have to not care about winning the games. Which also meant he didn’t give a sh!t about his teammates or the coaches. Vandal rightfully stepped in once again and called out Jazz’s post.

    If someone here can attack a player in such a way why not throw it back at them?
    Agreed 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    I wouldn't start a crazy fight over it Bart. In general these writers add zero, a lot or a little. Everything they write is their opinions. ie little to no data proving or disproving their point. What he wrote makes a lot of sense as you noted in the first line of your "contribution". We being in Summer, don't expect anything like we note during the season.
    "yes...players who are not drafted in the top 30 (top 20-50 even!) are not likely to play in the NBA....."<--- Bart says. I agree. Except there are 30 teams in the NBA.....somebody's got to stick. And I think this is why Norvell is on
    "shaky legs". Not a big deal.
    Shaky legs ??? Aren't we all.....I am nearing 80.... going blind, have cancer and heart trouble.....not looking for a crazy fight.....I am just hoping to see Brock Suggs start as a freshman point guard.....Happy Fathers Day

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    Norvell will make money as a pro somewhere. He has supreme confidence and is betting on himself. I would hope that everybody dreams big and goes after it at least once in their life.

    Van Vleet is 3 years into his professional career, is beating the odds, and got to continue his magical run of basketball that began at Wichita State. I have no idea where Norvell will be, but with 3 years of experience and countless shooting reps, he could be very good. Zach also is shooting guard- not a point guard- so comparisons are hard for me to make.

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    The draft is in four days. We can make our judgments on ZN's decision after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    Shaky legs ??? Aren't we all.....I am nearing 80.... going blind, have cancer and heart trouble.....not looking for a crazy fight.....I am just hoping to see Brock Suggs start as a freshman point guard.....Happy Fathers Day
    But you have the wisdom of the ages Bart Happy Fathers day and Happy Sunday! SO much blue sky and sunshine!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SanDiegoZag View Post
    Iím still confused on the new draft rules... Can Zach still hypothetically return to GU if he goes undrafted (which is much more likely than Zach realizes, apparently)??

    I have read articles that say as long as that player participated in the NBA combine, which Zach did...he can return. I have no idea if he would consider this option even if could, but is this still a possibility if he goes undrafted?
    Itís my understanding that the drop dead date for withdrawing was May 29th. Even if heís not drafted, he canít return to Gonzaga for another season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SanDiegoZag View Post
    Iím still confused on the new draft rules... Can Zach still hypothetically return to GU if he goes undrafted (which is much more likely than Zach realizes, apparently)??

    I have read articles that say as long as that player participated in the NBA combine, which Zach did...he can return. I have no idea if he would consider this option even if could, but is this still a possibility if he goes undrafted?
    Wow, unless Iím missing something then based on article from SI ZN can in fact still return to Gonzaga for one more year:
    http://https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/nba-draft-ncaa-agent-rules-changes-explained?utm_source=si.com&utm_medium=social&utm_ campaign=social-share-article&utm_content=20190616

    Players can also now return to school after going undrafted without losing eligibility, but only if they participated in the NBA combine
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    So it’s not over when it's over! Tough on a recruit when he can’t know if his predecessor will possibly return.

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    Zach wants to be gone....let him be gone!

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    Roc.....Just because somebody is unclear on the new rules? That doesn’t mean we want a kid back who wants to leave? Personally when that sign goes up, I’m not particularly eager to have them back. We’ll have plenty capable kids coming to take Norvell’s place . I could get wistful over Clarke and Rui. Not Snax though. He chose his fate and I don’t think anyone is standing in his way!!

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    Sounds like a smart kid who has every option open at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDevilGolfZag View Post
    Sounds like a smart kid who has every option open at this point
    Yes...Doc and Jazz just resent Zack...… and take any opportunity to belittle him....screw them....

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    That’s BS Bart. I wish him well. As above. When one of our kids wants to go somewhere else. I’m happy to open the door. The last thin this program needs to try to keeep. Kid who doesn’t want to be here. You might show one sentence where .Norvell’s Resented. Not from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxdoc View Post
    Zach wants to be gone....let him be gone!
    That is what I do not understand about this thread.

    If Zach is really and truly done with school, he has already made his decision regardless of if he is drafted, where he is drafted, where he will play or what he will be paid. Once you are truly done, everything else does not matter. You have made your decision to cast your lot in with the professional leagues, be that NBA, G-League, Europe or whatever.

    I really do not think he really cares if this board thinks he made a good decision or a bad decision, whether he would have been better off staying another year or entering this years draft. Despite their protests, nobody on this board knows how much Zach would have improved had he stayed another year and if he would have improved his draft position by staying. How many of these same posters would have said the same thing about Kelly Olynyk after his sophomore year, yet a year in the Olynyk Clinic did wonders for Kelly. You can guess, you can postulate, you can speculate but nobody knows for sure. Your opinion is worth no more and no less than anybody else.

    If ZN is truly done, thank you young man for your service. Wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors and being a lifelong member of the Zag community, we will be rooting for you the rest of your career. Any derogatory comments, demeaning evaluations, are no longer required, what is done is done and the draft gods will determine ZN's fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    You've only post 3 times Zagmeister. Jazz is a very insightful member of this board. Vandal like to insult and disrupt. It's just how he is. Jazz probably is correct on Norvell. He's taking a big change leaving school. Beloved by most here, I'd guess he's got little chance of being a lottery or even a top 50 pick. Like Van Fleet, our Norvell likely won't get drafted at least in a convincing number. But it's quite true that Norvell may defeat the odds like Van Fleet has and make it to the NBA. Only time will tell.
    In the meantime, there's really no reason to get hostile or even critical on this topic. If you continue to post Zagmeister, you'll see that most of the issues are much ado about nothing. Last Summer in the off season we had no major blowups and the board had little conflict. Let's hope we keep it to a peaceful simmer.
    Quote Originally Posted by NotoriousZ View Post
    For me, Vandal keeping Jazz in check holds more truth than half the stuff Jazz posts. While I do enjoy a lot of Jazz’s insights, he takes his version of the truth way too far sometimes. On the thread about Norvell declaring for the draft Jazz said Zach checked out halfway through the season. For that to be true Norvell would have to not care about winning the games. Which also meant he didn’t give a sh!t about his teammates or the coaches. Vandal rightfully stepped in once again and called out Jazz’s post.
    If someone here can attack a player in such a way why not throw it back at them?
    You are correct ABE that I have only posted 3 times, but I have been reading this Board for MANY years; almost every day for thousands and thousands of days. I only recently signed up so I could block posters who I feel are out of line; and maybe offer a few posts.

    You are also correct that Jazz can be an insightful member of this Board, but for me his insights are far outweighed by his many negative remarks, such as those about Norvell. Those remarks may have had a sliver of truth in them, but why focus on the negative, over and over again? I can fathom no reason whatsoever that any of us Zag fans are justified in belittling a team player... IMHO it's prolifically petty, not at all amusing, and certainly is not something I want to read. I truly enjoy the thoughtful remarks of those Board members who are and insightful AND constructive; thankfully most Board posters are awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagDad84 View Post
    That is what I do not understand about this thread.

    If Zach is really and truly done with school, he has already made his decision regardless of if he is drafted, where he is drafted, where he will play or what he will be paid. Once you are truly done, everything else does not matter. You have made your decision to cast your lot in with the professional leagues, be that NBA, G-League, Europe or whatever.

    I really do not think he really cares if this board thinks he made a good decision or a bad decision, whether he would have been better off staying another year or entering this years draft. Despite their protests, nobody on this board knows how much Zach would have improved had he stayed another year and if he would have improved his draft position by staying. How many of these same posters would have said the same thing about Kelly Olynyk after his sophomore year, yet a year in the Olynyk Clinic did wonders for Kelly. You can guess, you can postulate, you can speculate but nobody knows for sure. Your opinion is worth no more and no less than anybody else.

    If ZN is truly done, thank you young man for your service. Wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors and being a lifelong member of the Zag community, we will be rooting for you the rest of your career. Any derogatory comments, demeaning evaluations, are no longer required, what is done is done and the draft gods will determine ZN's fate.

    ZagDad
    And ZagDad’s got it. We can now close this thread . The denouement has arrived!

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    Pointing out the new rules allow a player in ZN’s position to still return to school if they decide to do so does not mean anyone is arguing he should or should not go pro. I was just surprised to learn it remains an option for undrafted players who attend the combine.

    Whatever ZN wants to do is what I will applaud him for and cheer for.
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    Default Spoiler Alert.

    Zach Norvell isn't coming back.


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