View Poll Results: The Best Guard Tandem at GU ?

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  • Q / Santangelo

    2 2.99%
  • Dickau / Stepp

    15 22.39%
  • Raivio / Pargo

    0 0%
  • Gray / Bouldin

    1 1.49%
  • Pangos / Bell

    9 13.43%
  • NWG / Perkins

    36 53.73%
  • Wooly / Gilder

    3 4.48%
  • Stockton / Condill

    1 1.49%
  • Other

    0 0%
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Thread: Best backcourt tandem ever?

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    Default Best backcourt tandem ever?

    Where do Wooly and Gilder rank all time as a GU backcourt tandem?

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    Default Best tandem

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Where do Wooly and Gilder rank all time as a GU backcourt tandem?
    I think Dickau and Stepp have to rank as best ever...

    But how do Gilder/Ayayi/Wooly rank as best combined defensive back court?

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    I think the jury is still out of them but to be the best you have to have better results then the best....so the best for me has to be NWG and Perks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    I think Dickau and Stepp have to rank as best ever...

    But how do Gilder/Ayayi/Wooly rank as best combined defensive back court?
    Hafta be tops in D. But on O, like DD and BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Hafta be tops in D. But on O, like DD and BS.
    They could be the top ever.

    Probably 2nd is whoever played alongside NWG at any given moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    I think Dickau and Stepp have to rank as best ever...

    But how do Gilder/Ayayi/Wooly rank as best combined defensive back court?
    NWG, Melson, Perkins would give them a run for their $$

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    Default Q and Santangelo

    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    They could be the top ever.

    Probably 2nd is whoever played alongside NWG at any given moment.

    Q barking at All American Quincy Lewis from Minnesota who was 8 inches taller than him and completely shutting him down in round 1 and Santangelo making Stanford regret taking another pg ahead of him. The '99 guards were quite a tandem. This years guys are very impressive too though...

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    DD and BS
    Pangos and GBJ

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    NWG and Perkins

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    If this were a poll, my vote would be for Pangos and Bell.

    I'm hoping next year's duo becomes my new vote this time next year.

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    I’d vote Nigel and perk but boy are gilder and wooly CASH
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzagafan62 View Post
    I’d vote Nigel and perk but boy are gilder and wooly CASH
    Interesting that many in this thread are choosing Gilder over Ayayi.

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    NWG and Perks.

    That being said... really think Gilder and Wooly is one heck of a combo and definitely up there.
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    What about Stockton and whoever played alongside him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    Interesting that many in this thread are choosing Gilder over Ayayi.
    A month ago it would have been Ayayi and Woolridge, when Gilder was struggling a bit with the knee. Now a couple mediocre games by Ayayi and hes forgotten. I like the idea of a trio with all 3. They all bring something different. Compare to NWG, Melson, Perkins or Pangos, Bell, Stockton or Dickau, Stepp, who ever. I also liked the Pargo, Bouldin, Gray backcourt in 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    What about Stockton and whoever played alongside him?
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    Toss in Ayayi and I will concede “trio” but not tandem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    Interesting that many in this thread are choosing Gilder over Ayayi.
    Gilder arguably 2d best player right now.

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    Sentimentally, for some reason, I like Pangos and Bell. I can’t argue with Dickau/Stepp or NWG/Perkins, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooray4Daye&Gray View Post

    If this were a poll, my vote would be for Pangos and Bell.
    As requested. . .

    This feels a bit like trying to pick one's favorite child
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagzKrak View Post
    I think the jury is still out of them but to be the best you have to have better results then the best....so the best for me has to be NWG and Perks.
    Agreed. The proof is in the Final Four pudding. Reasonable minds can disagree and speak of seeding, unlucky tourney draws, injuries etc etc but the grand prize is a Natty and the Perks/NWG tandem got the closest hence greatest to date imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by GonzagasaurusFlex View Post
    Agreed. The proof is in the Final Four pudding. Reasonable minds can disagree and speak of seeding, unlucky tourney draws, injuries etc etc but the grand prize is a Natty and the Perks/NWG tandem got the closest hence greatest to date imo
    As a hypothetical to your reasoning, if a healthy frontcourt of BC/RUI/Tillie had brought GU a title last year with the same backcourt of Norvell and Perkins both doing what they did (solid play with some obvious weak spots), would that season result make Perkins+Norvell the greatest backcourt duo in Zags history? Seems like you're saying yes it would. It also seems like the logical extension of that view would imply that whichever team gets closest to a title is therefor composed of all the various greatest individual parts or duos of Zag history. Does the 2017 automatically have the best wing or power forward since that team made it the farthest? The best wing pairing in Matthews/Melson?

    In my view it's completely possible to have an amazing (including the best ever) player or tandem at position "x" without the team being among the best ever. I don't think there's any question that the greatest wing in GU history was Morrison, rather than Jordan Matthews who helped lead the '17 team to the title game.


    My answer to the question would depend on if one factors in longevity or not. If longevity of tenure is relevant, then definitely Pangos/Bell.

    If best single season - I say gotta be the '01 pairing of Dickau/Stepp. (slightly better than their '02 season, and all defensive limitations noted)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GonzagasaurusFlex View Post
    Agreed. The proof is in the Final Four pudding. Reasonable minds can disagree and speak of seeding, unlucky tourney draws, injuries etc etc but the grand prize is a Natty and the Perks/NWG tandem got the closest hence greatest to date imo
    We have 9 games remaining and I can't chose any until this season is over...However, I will say that what Woolridge and Gilder and Joel have accomplished this season is just a little short of amazing...

    It will be interesting to see just how far these three carry us in a "re-building year" that is...

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    I voted Dickau and Stepp. The poll should also include a choice of John Stockton and Jeff Condill. The latter was an excellent player in his own right and played overseas just like others listed in the poll. John Stockton was overall as good in college as any of those listed. They were fun to watch in ‘83-84.

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    NWG/Perkins. Great players who got us to the title game. Tough choice, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDevilGolfZag View Post
    I voted Dickau and Stepp. The poll should also include a choice of John Stockton and Jeff Condill. The latter was an excellent player in his own right and played overseas just like others listed in the poll. John Stockton was overall as good in college as any of those listed. They were fun to watch in ‘83-84.
    agree stockton/condill but partial to that era a little bit
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