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    Top #ErvingAward Candidates from @TheAndyKatz:

    1. Jordan Nwora
    2. Yoeli Childs
    3. Josh Langford
    4. Naji Marshall
    5. Tres Tinkle
    6. Scottie Lewis
    7. Anthony Lamb
    8. Corey Kispert
    9. Nojel Eastern
    10. Rex Pflueger
    11. Xavier Sneed


    "8. Corey Kispert, Jr., Gonzaga: The Zags ultimate glue guy will now have a more featured role. Kispert will expand his game and deliver with more shot opportunities."

    https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...s-erving-award

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    This is really cool, and I have felt that Corey will have a much expanded role on offense this year. It's his time. Being patient and waiting for his time will pay off handsomely for Corey. It's important to remember that he was ahead of Norvell as a freshman and was a starter before he got injured. With Corey and Tillie in the starting lineup Gonzaga will have a very strong foundation to build another championship team. Tillie will stay healthy this year. Keep positive thoughts flowing fans.

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    Good for Corey.

    Hope he's in the hunt.
    This post is for March Madness seeding purposes only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingon50 View Post
    Good for Corey.

    Hope he's in the hunt.
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    I wonder whatever happened to that guy that won it last year.

    https://wccsports.com/news/2019/4/13...ing-award.aspx

    "To be continued ....."
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    Cool

    Two West Coasters (Kispert, Childs); one PACman (OSU's Tinkle, who can really dribble.)



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    Does anyone else think that what we've seen from CK the last couple years is what we are going to see the next couple years?

    I'm not in any way rooting against him and I suspect he's a great guy and great teammate , but his stats thus far have been remarkably similar to those of Kyle Dranginis, who played the 3 recently for GU with very similar height, weight, rebounding, shooting percentage, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    Does anyone else think that what we've seen from CK the last couple years is what we are going to see the next couple years?

    I'm not in any way rooting against him and I suspect he's a great guy and great teammate , but his stats thus far have been remarkably similar to those of Kyle Dranginis, who played the 3 recently for GU with very similar height, weight, rebounding, shooting percentage, etc.
    Curious as to your thoughts about Kelly Olynyk after his sophomore season. Or Dan Dickau after his sophomore season at Washington.

    As I reported here at the time, I was in the car with Corey’s AAU (FOH) coach while he was on the phone with an iconic college coach (ACC) during recruiting. This is almost verbatim as to what was said.

    “I’ll say the same thing that I said to you about Joe Harris. He will be with you four years. His Junior and Senior Year’s he will be All Conference. And he will make somebody’s All American team.”

    So you can take your Kyle Dranginis (who was a GREAT Zag btw) example of Kispert’s upside and I will take Joe Harris (who Corey’s coach also had)

    I believe Corey Kispert has earned his place on the Julius Erving watch list. And perhaps this ties to Tommy’s mantra that folks only know about 5 percent of what’s going on ... but despite Kispert’s Final list of Virginia, Notre Dame and Gonzaga ... he could have gone anywhere in the country out of high school. Anywhere (at least according to his AAU coach).

    "To be continued ....."
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    A long time ago I said give me 3 Dranginis and a couple bangers. No one put team before self more than Melson & Dranginis.

    Their first year together....Coach’s 1st Elite Eight

    Kyle’s Senior year, after destroying Seton Hall and Utah, Cuse slips off the hook a foot from the boat

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    Team b-ball and getting stops in Post Season is all Tony B cares about as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    Does anyone else think that what we've seen from CK the last couple years is what we are going to see the next couple years?

    I'm not in any way rooting against him and I suspect he's a great guy and great teammate , but his stats thus far have been remarkably similar to those of Kyle Dranginis, who played the 3 recently for GU with very similar height, weight, rebounding, shooting percentage, etc.
    I think it's instructive to look at the first 6 games of Kispert's fr year before the ankle sprain, including Fla, OSU, and I think Texas(?) at the Knight tourney in Ptld. In his first 6 games as a true fr, Kispert played 30 mpg, averaged 11.3 ppg, making 10/25 3 pointers for 40%, and 15/20 twos (75%) for an overall 56% fg's, and effective fg% of 67%. After the injury and loss of starting role, his minutes were greatly reduced.

    As a soph, he was the fifth option with limited offensive opportunities, and it's really hard to get in an offensive rhythm in that role, as any player can tell you.

    Dranginis, as a rs freshman, played 13 minutes per game his first 6 against a fairly comparable, maybe slightly weaker, sched, and was 6/17 from the field and 3/8 on 3's, averaging 2.7 ppg.

    Also, Kispert is an inch taller, probably 20 lbs heavier and more of a forward imo, while Dranginis is a combo guard with some point skills.

    I expect Kispert to take on an expanded role next season and be maybe the second leading scorer next season behind a healthy (fingers crossed) Tillie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    I wonder whatever happened to that guy that won it last year.

    https://wccsports.com/news/2019/4/13...ing-award.aspx
    You mean this guy (and I don't mean Big D)?



    I found it remarkable that Rui was awarded "Small Forward of the Year" while playing very few minutes at the 3. He and Brandon were basically a two headed monster at the 4 and 5. He will be a very productive small forward, no matter which team drafts him.

    I also expect Rui to be one of the top earners in endorsements, thanks to the deep pockets of Japanese fans who know Rui very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    Does anyone else think that what we've seen from CK the last couple years is what we are going to see the next couple years?

    I'm not in any way rooting against him and I suspect he's a great guy and great teammate , but his stats thus far have been remarkably similar to those of Kyle Dranginis, who played the 3 recently for GU with very similar height, weight, rebounding, shooting percentage, etc.
    For the past two years, Corey's been the 4th or 5th option on offense for the Zags. He's a great teammate who does the things the coaching staff asks. IMO, he made great strides on defense last year, his offensive game was always there, but it was lurking behind Rui, Brandon, Snacks, and Josh. It's his turn in the limelight.

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    Corey Kispert is an old school college baller....play your role, team first, work your a** off then take advantage of your opportunity to shine bright as an upperclassmen. Looking forward to seeing him have a featured role offensively. I think CK will rise to the occasion. Still remember his first bucket as a Zag; offensive rebound put back dunk. Dude is a stud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    Curious as to your thoughts about Kelly Olynyk after his sophomore season. Or Dan Dickau after his sophomore season at Washington.

    As I reported here at the time, I was in the car with Corey’s AAU (FOH) coach while he was on the phone with an iconic college coach (ACC) during recruiting. This is almost verbatim as to what was said.

    “I’ll say the same thing that I said to you about Joe Harris. He will be with you four years. His Junior and Senior Year’s he will be All Conference. And he will make somebody’s All American team.”

    So you can take your Kyle Dranginis (who was a GREAT Zag btw) example of Kispert’s upside and I will take Joe Harris (who Corey’s coach also had)

    I believe Corey Kispert has earned his place on the Julius Erving watch list. And perhaps this ties to Tommy’s mantra that folks only know about 5 percent of what’s going on ... but despite Kispert’s Final list of Virginia, Notre Dame and Gonzaga ... he could have gone anywhere in the country out of high school. Anywhere (at least according to his AAU coach).
    I have no thoughts on Dickau or Olynyk's college transitions. I wasn't a Zag fan or basketball fan then.

    I'm also not surprised that CK's high school coach thought highly of him. He would be highly motivated and biased to do so and CK seems like a highly likable and coachable guy. I think CK's a solid D1 college player, and was for a year or two probably the best player on his AAU team and probably one of the best players that his high school coach had ever coached.

    I expect that at the end of next season he won't be in serious consideration for this award and will not have significantly different stats from his first 2 seasons, apart from 25-30% more shot attempts, boards, and TOs, in more minutes played.

    We'll know the answer in 9 months.

    For those who expect he'll contend for this award for make a big leap for next year - does anyone care to suggest any of CK's per-40 totals for next season?

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    I'm guessing Cory will start. Due to the talent we have coming in, I'd guess he'll get about 20+ minutes a game as he has when playing healthy. His career numbers are FG% 460, 3% 351, FT% 667 and about 4 rebounds per game. He doesn't draw many fouls but I would hope he puts up a few more shots and averages 10-12 points per game. That would be solid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    I have no thoughts on Dickau or Olynyk's college transitions. I wasn't a Zag fan or basketball fan then.

    I'm also not surprised that CK's high school coach thought highly of him. He would be highly motivated and biased to do so and CK seems like a highly likable and coachable guy. I think CK's a solid D1 college player, and was for a year or two probably the best player on his AAU team and probably one of the best players that his high school coach had ever coached.

    I expect that at the end of next season he won't be in serious consideration for this award and will not have significantly different stats from his first 2 seasons, apart from 25-30% more shot attempts, boards, and TOs, in more minutes played.

    We'll know the answer in 9 months.

    For those who expect he'll contend for this award for make a big leap for next year - does anyone care to suggest any of CK's per-40 totals for next season?
    My guess would be 30 min/game, 15+ pts, 7 boards and 3 assists.

    He will pick up the slack from losing Josh and Zach, both on shot attempts and assists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    My guess would be 30 min/game, 15+ pts, 7 boards and 3 assists.

    He will pick up the slack from losing Josh and Zach, both on shot attempts and assists.
    worth noting, complete list of zags to average 15+ ppg since '10:
    kelly o. ('12-'13)
    wiltjer ('14-'15 and '15-'16)
    domas ('15-'16)
    nwg ('16-'17)
    rui ('17-'18)
    bc ('17-'18)

    in 4 of the 9 seasons no player on the team averaged 15+... and those that did were ball dominant and -- with the exception of wiltjer -- left early for the nba.

    we regularly have 4 guys averaging ~10-14 ppg, tho. the safe bet is him landing in that range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccerdud View Post
    worth noting, complete list of zags to average 15+ ppg since '10:
    kelly o. ('12-'13)
    wiltjer ('14-'15 and '15-'16)
    domas ('15-'16)
    nwg ('16-'17)
    rui ('17-'18)
    bc ('17-'18)

    in 4 of the 9 seasons no player on the team averaged 15+... and those that did were ball dominant and -- with the exception of wiltjer -- left early for the nba.

    we regularly have 4 guys averaging ~10-14 ppg, tho. the safe bet is him landing in that range.
    Worth noting, in all those years the Zags had several players coming back and players coming off of redshirt years.

    Also worth noting. Until Kispert hurt his ankle, he was the coaching staff's choice over Norvell, and wasn't Zach coming off his own redshirt?

    The scoring has to come from somewhere. I think Corey will be a big part of it.

    You are welcome to post what YOU think he will do. I would gladly see it and, at the end of the year, we can see where the chips fell.
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    I agree Will. Once the roster is full, we can all make our predictions. Lots of fun to compare preseason stat predictions and see how it all played out at the end of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    I have no thoughts on Dickau or Olynyk's college transitions. I wasn't a Zag fan or basketball fan then.

    I'm also not surprised that CK's high school coach thought highly of him. He would be highly motivated and biased to do so and CK seems like a highly likable and coachable guy. I think CK's a solid D1 college player, and was for a year or two probably the best player on his AAU team and probably one of the best players that his high school coach had ever coached.

    I expect that at the end of next season he won't be in serious consideration for this award and will not have significantly different stats from his first 2 seasons, apart from 25-30% more shot attempts, boards, and TOs, in more minutes played.

    We'll know the answer in 9 months.

    For those who expect he'll contend for this award for make a big leap for next year - does anyone care to suggest any of CK's per-40 totals for next season?
    You mentioned Corey's High School coach a couple of times. I'm not sure why and I have no idea what his h.s. coach had to say about him.

    I thought I was clear that it was his AAU coach (even named the team ... "FOH" "Friends of Hoops"). Corey is the first FOH kid to come to Gonzaga straight out of high school. McDonald's All American Micah Downs transferred to Gonzaga after beginning his career at Kansas.

    As for being the best on his AAU team .... here's a link naming the FOH alumni . https://www.fohseattle.com/alumni/. His AAU coach (my friend/colleague) was used to talking to coaches about his kids ... and it'd be shocking if he ever "hyped" a guy over and above stating his talents/demeanor, etc. In actuality he is the exact opposite of somebody "highly motivated and biased".

    I'll list a few of Corey's fellow FOH alumni (i.e. his peers). I know you weren't following basketball way back in the "Olynyk" GU era .... but these guys are recognizable names in the game of basketball.

    Former Friends of Hoops players -

    Martell Webster - 6th pick in the NBA draft
    Jamal Crawford - 8th pick in the NBA draft
    Spencer Hawes - 10th pick in the NBA draft
    Zach LaVine - 13th pick in the NBA draft and former Zag recruit
    Nate Robinson - 21st pick in the NBA draft
    Joe Harris - 33rd pick in the NBA draft
    Isaiah Thomas - multi year NBA All Star
    Jon Brockman - multi year All Pac 12 -- multi year NBA and former Zag recruit

    Again ... here's what the guy (Kispert's AAU coach) had to say to the h.c. of one of college basketball's Top 3-5 programs ...

    “I’ll say the same thing that I said to you about Joe Harris. He will be with you four years. His Junior and Senior Year’s he will be All Conference. And he will make somebody’s All American team.”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Worth noting, in all those years the Zags had several players coming back and players coming off of redshirt years.

    Also worth noting. Until Kispert hurt his ankle, he was the coaching staff's choice over Norvell, and wasn't Zach coming off his own redshirt?

    The scoring has to come from somewhere. I think Corey will be a big part of it.

    You are welcome to post what YOU think he will do. I would gladly see it and, at the end of the year, we can see where the chips fell.
    i did. 10-14 ppg.

    but yeah, obviously it's your prediction and you can make it based on whatever you like. i thought some context might be useful for exactly how big (and rare) 15+ ppg really is, because numbers tend to get (imo too) casually thrown around in discussions like this.

    if you think his role/aggressiveness/effectiveness is more likely to be like Rui's this season, than previous comparables like Norvell(e), Mathews, Wesley, etc... that's just fine. of course I'll be happy to revisit this later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccerdud View Post
    i did. 10-14 ppg.

    but yeah, obviously it's your prediction and you can make it based on whatever you like. i thought some context might be useful for exactly how big (and rare) 15+ ppg really is, because numbers tend to get (imo too) casually thrown around in discussions like this.

    if you think his role/aggressiveness/effectiveness is more likely to be like Rui's this season, than previous comparables like Norvell(e), Mathews, Wesley, etc... that's just fine. of course I'll be happy to revisit this later.
    You STILL haven't made your 'guess'!

    Please. Rather than just tell me I'm wrong, put some skin out there, and no, saying a bunch of guys at 10-14 isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    You STILL have made your 'guess'!

    Please. Rather than just tell me I'm wrong, put some skin out there.
    uh, are you looking for minutes/rebounds/assists? i think he's a little below 30 mpg, just because of how deep and balanced i think we'll be, and the fact that i don't see him playing much at the 2... but he starts and is a top 2-3 option in the offense. i think he'll do what we ask him to in terms of rebounds and assists, and that'll likely depend a lot on lineups. i don't think i can make a useful guess on those. anything else?

    and, just ftr, the ppg is the only thing i feel confident enough about to have posted it without prodding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccerdud View Post
    uh, are you looking for minutes/rebounds/assists? i think he's a little below 30 mpg, just because of how deep and balanced i think we'll be, and the fact that i don't see him playing much at the 2... but he starts and is a top 2-3 option in the offense. i think he'll do what we ask him to in terms of rebounds and assists, and that'll likely depend a lot on lineups. i don't think i can make a useful guess on those. anything else?

    and, just ftr, the ppg is the only thing i feel confident enough about that i'd have posted it without prodding.
    So what you are saying is that he might start and will get from 5 to 30 minutes a game. 0-14 points and 0-4 rebounds plus 0-4 assists.

    Pretty ballsy predictions for someone trying to correct mine.
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