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    Default 2019- Derryck Thornton Grad Transfer

    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...-grad-transfer

    He came out of high school as 247Sports' #3 PG and #14 overall player: https://247sports.com/Player/Derryck...-school-51550/

    Stats aren't exactly eye-popping: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...hornton-1.html

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    I am literally going to copy and paste what I wrote in the “who is our other starting guard” thread on the main board:

    I sure hope not. He is one of the most underwhelming, under performing five star recruits ever. In his last game in the PAC 12 tournament he scored a grand total of two points versus Washington.He was recruited over at Duke and under performed at USC. I’d rather have Ravet.

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    Career 38% FG shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooner View Post
    So he is a worse Geno Crandall. Again, not interested...at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    So he is a worse Geno Crandall. Again, not interested...at all.
    I would take Thornton in a heartbeat. You have to compare him to the alternative which right now we are totally unsure of. We do not know if the chances with Nix are reasonable and our only other option is a freshman pg. There is no harm in taking a former high school all american grad transfer who started for Duke and USC. He does not take a scholarship from a future recruit which is why grad transfers add so much value. They are basically a free agent on a one year deal to help plug a hole. Look, we need depth in the back court and there are not many available that can provide that solid depth currently. So, I would gladly take a free agent pg who frees up scholarships for 2020, and who also by the way was an All American in high school and has played against great competition in college. I'm not sure what better we could expect and hope for as a grad pg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagBlue View Post
    I would take Thornton in a heartbeat. You have to compare him to the alternative which right now we are totally unsure of. We do not know if the chances with Nix are reasonable and our only other option is a freshman pg. There is no harm in taking a former high school all american grad transfer who started for Duke and USC. He does not take a scholarship from a future recruit which is why grad transfers add so much value. They are basically a free agent on a one year deal to help plug a hole. Look, we need depth in the back court and there are not many available that can provide that solid depth currently. So, I would gladly take a free agent pg who frees up scholarships for 2020, and who also by the way was an All American in high school and has played against great competition in college. I'm not sure what better we could expect and hope for as a grad pg.
    HARD PASS

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    Not sure the Zags have the resources available for this kid. Tony Bland doesn't work in Spokane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzagit View Post
    HARD PASS
    I totally get the thought of "hard pass." Again though, I would much prefer Thornton over an empty roster spot as he does not impact ability to sign kids in 2020 and we need depth. Any empty roster spot does not provide depth. If Ravet is better, then Thornton won't play much. We basically get a free year at a position of need from a kid who has started in the ACC and PAC12 (regardless of how we feel he performed). He seems like a good kid as I have never heard negative things about him. If he is the add, I'm good with it.

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    Has the kid expressed ANY interest in Gonzaga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagBlue View Post
    I would take Thornton in a heartbeat. You have to compare him to the alternative which right now we are totally unsure of. We do not know if the chances with Nix are reasonable and our only other option is a freshman pg. There is no harm in taking a former high school all american grad transfer who started for Duke and USC. He does not take a scholarship from a future recruit which is why grad transfers add so much value. They are basically a free agent on a one year deal to help plug a hole. Look, we need depth in the back court and there are not many available that can provide that solid depth currently. So, I would gladly take a free agent pg who frees up scholarships for 2020, and who also by the way was an All American in high school and has played against great competition in college. I'm not sure what better we could expect and hope for as a grad pg.
    The harm is that he stinks. You’re enamored with the name on the back of the jersey instead of the talent, or lack there of inside of it. If it was just “Tyrone Jones” who was putting up those numbers not a former five star Duke commit you wouldn’t even think twice about this kid. He’s done absolutely nothing in his college career two warrant playing for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    The harm is that he stinks. You’re enamored with the name on the back of the jersey instead of the talent, or lack there of inside of it. If it was just “Tyrone Jones” who was putting up those numbers not a former five star Duke commit you wouldn’t even think twice about this kid. He’s done absolutely nothing in his college career two warrant playing for us.

    You've made your point, which is a fair one IMHO... No reason to continue to make it.

    Also, not in love with "he stinks." True or not, its just not cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    The harm is that he stinks. You’re enamored with the name on the back of the jersey instead of the talent, or lack there of inside of it. If it was just “Tyrone Jones” who was putting up those numbers not a former five star Duke commit you wouldn’t even think twice about this kid. He’s done absolutely nothing in his college career two warrant playing for us.
    Actually I’m not enamored with the name on the back of the jersey as I have the same concerns you do. My bigger concern though is that this team has no pg with any experience, period. Thornton is assuredly better than a walk on and right now said walk on is probably getting playing time. Bottom line is I trust our staff, they have earned that. If Thornton becomes the guy, it is a clear indicator to me that Nix wasn’t a viable option and therefore Thornton is the choice.
    You guys saw what Geno Crandall did here (not very much). That is the danger in taking stats against terrible competition and trying to translate it against NCAA tourney caliber teams. Thornton has played great competition and in our league he has a chance to perform much better. For Crandall it was a step up, for Thornton not so much.
    I will be totally honest, I only saw Thornton play 1 game this year. It was against Vanderbilt who happened to have a lottery pick at pg. Thornton actually played very well in that one. Again, I’m not saying he is a savior and I’m far from enamored BUT he is far better than en empty roster spot which literally might be the alternative.
    As a fan, if he is the guy, I hope he is terrific. Again, I think it is so important to always consider the alternative and clearly there are not many. Im also an optimist... what if he doesn’t stink?

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    And, even though Geno didn't quite live up to expectations, we would have had a weaker team without him.

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    Wow so many experts on here. Surprised they haven’t been hired by the staff

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUZag08 View Post
    Wow so many experts on here. Surprised they haven’t been hired by the staff
    just opinions

    and yea I agree with former....Spy

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUZag08 View Post
    Wow so many experts on here. Surprised they haven’t been hired by the staff
    I've never understood posts like this. Do you need to be on a coaching staff to see that a player is not very good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooner View Post
    And, even though Geno didn't quite live up to expectations, we would have had a weaker team without him.
    Meh, I dunno about that. He certainly didn't live up to expectations. Plus this guy's numbers are worse than geno's across the board, plus Geno didn't start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagBlue View Post
    Actually I’m not enamored with the name on the back of the jersey as I have the same concerns you do. My bigger concern though is that this team has no pg with any experience, period. Thornton is assuredly better than a walk on and right now said walk on is probably getting playing time. Bottom line is I trust our staff, they have earned that. If Thornton becomes the guy, it is a clear indicator to me that Nix wasn’t a viable option and therefore Thornton is the choice.
    You guys saw what Geno Crandall did here (not very much). That is the danger in taking stats against terrible competition and trying to translate it against NCAA tourney caliber teams. Thornton has played great competition and in our league he has a chance to perform much better. For Crandall it was a step up, for Thornton not so much.
    I will be totally honest, I only saw Thornton play 1 game this year. It was against Vanderbilt who happened to have a lottery pick at pg. Thornton actually played very well in that one. Again, I’m not saying he is a savior and I’m far from enamored BUT he is far better than en empty roster spot which literally might be the alternative.
    As a fan, if he is the guy, I hope he is terrific. Again, I think it is so important to always consider the alternative and clearly there are not many. Im also an optimist... what if he doesn’t stink?
    What walk on are you referring to? Wouldn't Ravet start along Gilder if Nix or anyone else didn't come aboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    You've made your point, which is a fair one IMHO... No reason to continue to make it.

    Also, not in love with "he stinks." True or not, its just not cool.
    Ok, fair enough. You're right, I shouldn't have used the term "stinks", I should've said, "not very good".

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    I am surprised at all the hate being heaped on Geno. I think some are fixated on how he lit us up last year and were expecting something more along those lines. Frankly after he got past the injury, I looked forward to him coming in for his defense. And I’m glad we had him. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyra View Post
    I am surprised at all the hate being heaped on Geno. I think some are fixated on how he lit us up last year and were expecting something more along those lines. Frankly after he got past the injury, I looked forward to him coming in for his defense. And I’m glad we had him. Just my opinion.
    I don't see any "hate" for him at all. Glad he was on the team, but if we're being completely objective, I don't think he lived up to the expectations. But you may be right, maybe our expectations were a little unrealistic. But a player that put up poorer stats than Geno last season shouldn't come in and start for us, in my opinion.

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    I say if you were to take the name off(like they do in March Madness with the blind resume) and just look at true potential- seeing a run of 3 games 16/6,13/12,13/9 vs D1 competition you'd have a hard time finding a PG who had 12 assists in a game this year that is on the market.

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    One man’s “stinks” is another man’s bench depth, I suppose. 4 assists a game is decent. I haven’t seen him play but a former 5* is probably reasonably athletic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagfan1970 View Post
    I say if you were to take the name off(like they do in March Madness with the blind resume) and just look at true potential- seeing a run of 3 games 16/6,13/12,13/9 vs D1 competition you'd have a hard time finding a PG who had 12 assists in a game this year that is on the market.
    Those games are outliers. Look at his raw numbers, they're.....not good.

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