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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    I didn't say that he would start at pg, just that he would be one of the starting guards, I think we all agree on that. Who the other starter will be is a complete mystery as of now.
    I see that now. I saw “at 1 guard spot” and read it as “at the 1-guard spot” (ie PG). Sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonzagasaurusFlex View Post
    Iím thinking Kispert has a fun season coming up. Likely starting at the 3 and needs to be a primary scorer for this squad. Hoping to see some more Thunder Dan Majerle to his game. CK has the strength and hops to attack the rim more...just needs the handles to improve a bit.
    wouldn't that be nice...we could credit Dickau )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    wouldn't that be nice...we could credit Dickau )
    Better he has DD’s remarkable handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSERE View Post
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    Thought you had a line on a new, incoming PG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    I see that now. I saw “at 1 guard spot” and read it as “at the 1-guard spot” (ie PG). Sorry about that.
    No worries. I wrote it kind of oddly

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    I'm 100% at ease w/ Ravet starting at point, which I believe will happen absent a top level, immediately eligible transfer or surprise late signing/reclassification. Ravet, like Pangos or Blake Stepp, is extremely savvy as a coach's kid, and will be ready to go out of the box, on the offensive end at least.

    Agree w/ Reborn that Kispert is in no way a two. If he has a position other than the 3, it's as a smallball 4.

    Ravet Gilder Kispert and two of Watson/Timme/Petrusev imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g krebs View Post
    I'm 100% at ease w/ Ravet starting at point, which I believe will happen absent a top level, immediately eligible transfer or surprise late signing/reclassification. Ravet, like Pangos or Blake Stepp, is extremely savvy as a coach's kid, and will be ready to go out of the box, on the offensive end at least.

    Agree w/ Reborn that Kispert is in no way a two. If he has a position other than the 3, it's as a smallball 4.

    Ravet Gilder Kispert and two of Watson/Timme/Petrusev imo.
    Agree with everything that you wrote, except if Tillie comes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    Agree with everything that you wrote, except if Tillie comes back.
    Yeah, hope that's the case; if so obviously it changes the prediction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caldwellzag View Post
    Derryck Thornton?
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    Obvious to whom?? Unless some crazy events shows up, Ravets our PG...
    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    I was thinking about this last night. With ZN all in, Gilder is the obvious starter at 1 guard spot, but then what? No way Ayayi, or GFJ start, doubt Ravet starts with Gilder. Do we slide Corey over to the 2 and play Watson at the 3? Is Nix a possibility to come in and start from the get go? Is there a player currently in the draft that will pull his name out and grad transfer ala Ky Bowman (just using his name as an example)? So many unknowns for our other guard. What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    Obvious to whom?? Unless some crazy events shows up, Ravets our PG...
    I did not say that he is the obvious starter at point guard I said he was the obvious starter at one of the guard spots. I worded it oddly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagsker View Post
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    Wouldn't count out the prospect that Ayayi starts over Ravet. Got to keep in mind that Ayayi and Ravet are practically the same age, and Joel has had two years with the program. I still think a major off-season improvement is possible for Ayayi. It is all going to come down to how much time he puts in the weight room, and whether or not his comfort with the offensive scheme improves. The fact that he's remained with the program would indicate to me that the staff still has faith in him and have given him hope that there could be a significant role in his future.

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    Iíve pulled for Ayayi from day one. Heís an intriguing player because of his length and quickness. He will know the offense and the defensive rotations. Iím not sure if is a PG, though, because I havenít seen enough of him. If not a PG, I would like to see him be a play-making guard in the style of Kyle Dranginis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    Iíve pulled for Ayayi from day one. Heís an intriguing player because of his length and quickness. He will know the offense and the defensive rotations. Iím not sure if is a PG, though, because I havenít seen enough of him. If not a PG, I would like to see him be a play-making guard in the style of Kyle Dranginis.
    From his play from the French U18 team which he made all tourney team along with Petrusev, Ayayi was far from a point guard, a combo guard at best, but maining just a shooting guard / wing. Hardly ever brought the ball up the court & didnt facilitate the offense much. Seemed turnover prone at times, but Ayayi sure canslash to the hoop & his length and effort helps him secure a lot of offensive rebounds, pressure on defense, and steal the ball well. Interesting that he is so resistant to dunking

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    Me too!cor me it’s hard to find reasons how he can look so good at competative BB tournaments and mostly sits here. Skill in spades but he's just not getting time here.
    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    I’ve pulled for Ayayi from day one. He’s an intriguing player because of his length and quickness. He will know the offense and the defensive rotations. I’m not sure if is a PG, though, because I haven’t seen enough of him. If not a PG, I would like to see him be a play-making guard in the style of Kyle Dranginis.
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    Ravet and Gilder unless Ayayi explodes preseason. Ravet is going to surprise a lot of folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caldwellzag View Post
    Derryck Thornton?
    Lot of hate going on in the forum for a potential future Zag. He will run the point well, he doesn't need to score.

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    The last grad transfer from USC turned out pretty well. 4.3 assists last season for Derryck Thornton was not too shabby. He also hit 85% at the FT line, a few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caldwellzag View Post
    Lot of hate going on in the forum for a potential future Zag. He will run the point well, he doesn't need to score.
    And play awesome defense. I’d take that kind of pg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caldwellzag View Post
    Lot of hate going on in the forum for a potential future Zag. He will run the point well, he doesn't need to score.
    Because he can't. I think a lot of the "hate" (and I don't like that word, because it's now used to connote anyone that has an opinion that differs from the person claiming the hate) is because we are a national powerhouse, perennial top 10 team and we're supposed to be ecstatic about bringing in a guy that put up worse numbers across the board than Geno did last season. Thornton's ranking was artificially inflated when he committed to Duke and then he proceeded to bust there when it turned out that he wasn't nearly as good as the hype that preceeded him and then transferred to USC and had a completely underwhelming, underperforming career there. I can't disagree with you more about not needing him to score, that's one thing we do need is a scoring guard next season, Gilder isn't that. Defenses will sag 10 feet of off Thornton like they did against Tre Jones this past season, because he can't shoot to save his life. This team needs a Shamori Ponds, or Ky Bowman, Rayjon Tucker, who just committed to Memphis would've been ideal for this team and to compliment Gilder. Now we're supposed to get excited about a guy that shot 38% from the field and 29% from 3? Seriously? What's the point? Especially if he's going to block the development and growth of Ravet, who I would argue is a better player already that Thornton is. Ironically enough, his best season was his freshman one at Duke:

    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...rryck-thornton

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagaZags View Post
    The last grad transfer from USC turned out pretty well. 4.3 assists last season for Derryck Thornton was not too shabby. He also hit 85% at the FT line, a few years ago.
    And 66% this past season. Oh, and ZN averaged the exact same 4.3 assists this past season, but unlike Thornton, he can actually put the ball in the hoop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    And 66% this past season. Oh, and ZN averaged the exact same 4.3 assists this past season, but unlike Thornton, he can actually put the ball in the hoop.
    Zach averaged 3.1 assists per game... you were quoting Zach's rebounds at 4.3 per game

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    Quote Originally Posted by exclusivelee View Post
    Zach averaged 3.1 assists per game... you were quoting Zach's rebounds at 4.3 per game
    You’re right, my bad. Thank you for the correction.

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