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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagNative View Post
    His parents are super cool as well. I loved this interview with them: https://www.krem.com/article/sports/...d-c6efe8674e62
    ZN thanks for posting this!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdawg View Post
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    Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke official measurements at the NBA Combine: 6'8 1/4 with shoes, 207 pounds, 6'8 1/4 wingspan, 8'6 standing reach, 4.9% body fat.
    I'm so fat.
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    From twitter:
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    Followup to our Brandon Clarke measurements discussion. No surprise who is leading the pack early in the vertical leap testing. Both running and standing. The Gonzaga product is an elite athlete and is blessed with incredible timing as a shot blocker.

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    Minnesota has pick #11

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    Brandon Clarke met with the Timberwolves today in what he described as a “really, really good talk.”

    Clarke also said, “obviously I think I would love playing with KAT.”

    In mid-June, Clarke will be coming to Minneapolis to work out with the Wolves.


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    Brandon Clarke also — as it currently stands — has posted the highest vertical leap (40.5 inches), the fastest lane agility time (10.61 seconds) and the second fastest shuttle run time (3.54 seconds).

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    6-8 wingspan, w 6-8 ht... = NOT GOOD. There are Guards with better than a 6-8 wingspan. BC might slip into 2nd rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    6-8 wingspan, w 6-8 ht... = NOT GOOD. There are Guards with better than a 6-8 wingspan. BC might slip into 2nd rd.
    no way does he slip to second round
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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    I liked his mom's Canadian accent.

    Brandon has a good voice for radio/broadcast as well. Maybe he'll be in the booth one day.
    Every time he is interviewed I look up to see if James Earl Jones is talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopaholic View Post
    no way does he slip to second round
    I think BC is a fantastic player and the tape/game action should speak for itself. BUT we've seen so often that teams draft on potential and measurables instead of results.

    BC is not a shooter so he can't play the 3. He's an undersized 4/5. There really isn't a comparable NBA player out there. His standing reach is extremely small for that position. He got by at GU with quickness, timing and athleticism. In the NBA, it might work.. it might not. So the question becomes, does a team use a FIRST rd pick on a player that literally has no comparable player in the league. I see it similar to Russell Wilson of the Seahawks. He had no comparable player because of his measurables so he slid to round 3. First round talent, but his height made him slide. Same could happen to BC.

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    Is there a comparable player to Zion in the league currently? I wonder if his stock drops because there is no one comparable?


    I think that Brandon has the skills, athleticism and makeup to go in the first round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    I think BC is a fantastic player and the tape/game action should speak for itself. BUT we've seen so often that teams draft on potential and measurables instead of results.

    BC is not a shooter so he can't play the 3. He's an undersized 4/5. There really isn't a comparable NBA player out there. His standing reach is extremely small for that position. He got by at GU with quickness, timing and athleticism. In the NBA, it might work.. it might not. So the question becomes, does a team use a FIRST rd pick on a player that literally has no comparable player in the league. I see it similar to Russell Wilson of the Seahawks. He had no comparable player because of his measurables so he slid to round 3. First round talent, but his height made him slide. Same could happen to BC.
    I think a comparable player is Montrez Harrell with the Clippers. Undersized 6-8/6-9 center that plays big minutes because of his motor and leaping ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdawg View Post
    Is there a comparable player to Zion in the league currently?
    Unfortunately, we don't get to see Zions measurables today so we don't know. That is the advantage of skipping this process as a projected lottery pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHigh View Post
    I think a comparable player is Montrez Harrell with the Clippers. Undersized 6-8/6-9 center that plays big minutes because of his motor and leaping ability.
    A player drafted in the SECOND round. also has a HUGE wingspan.

    Harrell measured only 6'7 without shoes, but compensated with a huge 7'4.25 wingspan. Harrell's wingspan to height differential is a ridiculous 9.25 inches. His 253 pound frame for his length and explosiveness puts him in a somewhat unique group body-type wise. He's essentially a bigger version of Ike Diogu who measured 6'6.5 without shoes with a 7'3.5 wingspan and a 255 pound frame. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Harrell-7019/ ©DraftExpress

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    I think Clarke is going in the first round --- fly-- let me know if you want to make a friendly wager if you think he is dropping into the 2nd round due to his measurements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdawg View Post
    I think Clarke is going in the first round --- fly-- let me know if you want to make a friendly wager if you think he is dropping into the 2nd round due to his measurements.
    Go re-read my post. I said *might*. I think he's first round talent. He's shown that. I've seen it in game action with my own eyes. HOWEVER, I also have a brain. With his measurables being released today, it was shocking. It is VERY rare for an NBA player to have a wingspan not exceed his height. ESPECIALLY for an already undersized post. I think this *MIGHT* hurt his draft stock. At one point he was looking like a lottery pick. With those measurables I find it hard to believe he will go any higher than late first. Second rd seeming more and more possible.

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    Have you been paying attention to how he is doing in the skills testing?

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    Best lane agility time:

    Player Position Time (seconds)
    Brandon Clarke SF 10.61
    Devon Dotson PG 10.63
    Terence Davis SG 10.69
    Jaylen Nowell SG 10.76
    Kevin Porter Jr. SG 10.82


    Player Position Max vertical leap (inches)
    Brandon Clarke SF 40.5
    Devon Dotson PG 38.5
    Nassir Little SF 38.5
    Jaylen Nowell SG 38.5
    Eric Paschall SF 38.0
    Charles Matthews SG 37.5
    KZ Okpala SF 37.0
    Shamorie Ponds PG 37.0
    Brian Bowen II SF 35.5
    Jaxson Hayes PF 34.5
    Terence Davis SG 34.0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdawg View Post
    Have you been paying attention to how he is doing in the skills testing?
    I have, he's killing it. but watch this it's not just me

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K9nM3L5xns

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    I have, he's killing it. but watch this it's not just me

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K9nM3L5xns
    The Combine measurements were not good news for Brandon according to Jonathan Givony.

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    At this point, his best bet might be to come back to GU for a year to work on that wingspan.

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    Maybe if he comes back he can improve his efficiency ranking also --- maybe even get to #1

    Player Efficiency Rating Leaders - Top 100 Qualified
    RK PLAYER GP MPG AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER
    1 Zion Williamson, DUKE 29 29.1 10.7 11.7 23.7 11.5 18.0 14.8 42.55
    2 Brandon Clarke, GONZ 33 27.6 12.3 9.4 18.9 11.5 20.0 15.7 37.73

    http://insider.espn.com/mens-college...ger/statistics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdawg View Post
    Maybe if he comes back he can improve his efficiency ranking also --- maybe even get to #1

    Player Efficiency Rating Leaders - Top 100 Qualified
    RK PLAYER GP MPG AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER
    1 Zion Williamson, DUKE 29 29.1 10.7 11.7 23.7 11.5 18.0 14.8 42.55
    2 Brandon Clarke, GONZ 33 27.6 12.3 9.4 18.9 11.5 20.0 15.7 37.73

    http://insider.espn.com/mens-college...ger/statistics
    There is an opening for the PG position, so maybe BC can bump those assists #'s up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonstu View Post
    At this point, his best bet might be to come back to GU for a year to work on that wingspan.
    Get the wingspan stretcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    6-8 wingspan, w 6-8 ht... = NOT GOOD. There are Guards with better than a 6-8 wingspan. BC might slip into 2nd rd.
    Wingspan might have become the most overrated stat there is. And I'd bet that this is not a sudden new revelation, but something known all along and factored into his current projections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g krebs View Post
    Wingspan might have become the most overrated stat there is. And I'd bet that this is not a sudden new revelation, but something known all along and factored into his current projections.
    While I agree that wingspan can definitely be overrated and sometimes you just have to look at the results. Like what can they actually do. Footwork, timing, bbiq etc. etc. are also so important.

    But wingspan is still way more important than height. How high your head sits is way less important than how far your arms extend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyZag View Post
    6-8 wingspan, w 6-8 ht... = NOT GOOD. There are Guards with better than a 6-8 wingspan. BC might slip into 2nd rd.
    I have read what you have written, what was are the reasons behind what you are saying?

    I would imagine that a NBA GM could look at a player and tell you within 1/2" of what his height and wingspan are. That is their job. The combine just confirms it. Gonzaga has had virtually every game televised, and they, if they were doing due diligence, have watched what the on-air pundits have been saying is one of the top players in the NCAA, especially after beating Duke.

    What makes you believe that you would know more than them, or that, seeing the actual numbers, they would suddenly ignore a years worth of work and pass based on 1'2" or so?
    Hoping you have a sense of humor too!

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