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    Default Last 6 Seasons Wins by Team

    Last 6 basketball seasons wins by team:

    1. Gonzaga 194
    2. Villanova 191
    3. Kentucky 182
    4. Virginia 178
    5. Duke 175
    6. Kansas 173
    7. UNC 171
    Qualified for 22 Straight Big Dances

    11 Straight Round of 32s

    10 Sweet Sixteens (5 Straight)

    4 Elite Eights

    2017 FINAL FOUR

    2 Winningest Players in college basketball history (Karnowski 137, Perkins 134)

    The Best Point Guard to ever play the game: John Stockton, most assists, most steals.

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    Of course the automatic response will be that GU plays in the garbage WCC However, if you look at that list, you will notice that there are Big East and ACC schools. There is some real dead wood in those leagues (especially the ACC): Wake Forest, Boston College, Ga Tech, DePaul, Pitt, Georgetown, Providence, etc.

    And, of course, Duke refuses to play any games outside the state of NC or New York City with the exception of the occasional holiday tournament and the Champions Classic. Every other year they go on the road for the ACC/Big 10 Challenge. They don't always play one of the top teams in the Big 10 in that event either. They basically just sit at home and pile on cupcake wins during the non-league portion of their sked. Not saying the critic section is totally wrong , but as usual, they are likely to blow it out of proportion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    Of course the automatic response will be that GU plays in the garbage WCC However, if you look at that list, you will notice that there are Big East and ACC schools. There is some read dead wood in those leagues (especially the ACC): Wake Forest, Boston College, Ga Tech, DePaul, Pitt, Georgetown, Providence, etc.

    And, of course, Duke refuses to play any games outside the state of NC or New York City with the exception of the occasional holiday tournament and the Champions Classic. Every other year they go on the road for the ACC/Big 10 Challenge. They don't always play one of the top teams in the Big 10 in that event either. They basically just sit at home and pile on cupcake wins during the non-league portion of their sked. Not saying the critic section is totally wrong , but as usual, they are likely to blow it out of proportion.
    Bottom of the WCC is beyond dead wood. Old Forest ....

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    This list adjusted for strength of schedule would be a lot more meaningful.

    I imagine UVA/Duke/UNC would have about the same (probably UNC the toughest)

    Then Nova
    Then KU





    Then GU

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    This list adjusted for strength of schedule would be a lot more meaningful.

    I imagine UVA/Duke/UNC would have about the same (probably UNC the toughest)

    Then Nova
    Then KU





    Then GU
    Truth, dat. And I wd venture that GU's preseason cupcakes are sweeter than most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Truth, dat. And I wd venture that GU's preseason cupcakes are sweeter than most.
    That would be pretty easy to look up on Kenpom or Bart Torvik, but why bother? For a top5-10 team in the nation, any of these early season cupcakes should be sure-thing wins. The difference between an opponent ranked 195 or 262 seems irrelevant.

    One thing about Duke's early season, which I came across in reference to their fans claiming their loss to GU was just because it was early season:

    Duke played a 3 travelling exhibition games against major universities in Canada, then Duke played 2 separate D-II schools in preseason, then had played 5 normal season DI games (2 against top20 teams) before meeting GU in Vegas. They'd probably played more basketball, done more traveling, and had a broader spectrum of opponents than any other team in the country at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTownZag View Post
    That would be pretty easy to look up on Kenpom or Bart Torvik, but why bother? For a top5-10 team in the nation, any of these early season cupcakes should be sure-thing wins. The difference between an opponent ranked 195 or 262 seems irrelevant.

    One thing about Duke's early season, which I came across in reference to their fans claiming their loss to GU was just because it was early season:

    Duke played a 3 travelling exhibition games against major universities in Canada, then Duke played 2 separate D-II schools in preseason, then had played 5 normal season DI games (2 against top20 teams) before meeting GU in Vegas. They'd probably played more basketball, done more traveling, and had a broader spectrum of opponents than any other team in the country at that point.
    Zags beat Duke in Maui ... not in Vegas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Bottom of the WCC is beyond dead wood. Old Forest ....
    True, but dead wood is just dead. It's still a win. Duke might beat Wake Forest by 30 while we'll beat Pepperdine by 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    True, but dead wood is just dead. It's still a win. Duke might beat Wake Forest by 30 while we'll beat Pepperdine by 40.
    You're comparing Wake w Pep? Please, Ceed, not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    You're comparing Wake w Pep? Please, Ceed, not even close.
    You are right... Pepperdine last season would have walked all over Wake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    You're comparing Wake w Pep? Please, Ceed, not even close.
    Your missing the point Jazz. This discussion is about win totals. No matter if Wake Forest is better than Pepperdine, Duke is going to blast them. If Pepperdine were in the ACC, Duke would blast them even more. Agreed. But a win is still a win. My point is that the elite ACC teams have dead wood in their league.....a certain percentage of teams that they can count on blasting every year. It's why I feel that conference is overhyped compared to a league like the Big 10 - especially this year - where even teams like Rutgers and Penn State can inflict damage or severely challenge top league contenders. Wake, BC....they have no chance against a Duke most years. Wake is done as a program. They are not what they were. The inclusion of teams like Louisville and Syracuse into the league has rendered them irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    You are right... Pepperdine last season would have walked all over Wake.
    Big picture Guyland. Last 5 years not close.

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    The ACC just has too many teams. They also have teams that are in the league despite having no geographical relationship to the conference. Pitt's move to the ACC may have been motivated by football, but it killed their basketball program. It will never be the same. The city of Pittsburgh has horrible prep talent, and so Howland and Dixon had to develop unique strategies for building the team. One was using the New York/New Jersey area as a recruiting zone, with promises to recruits of being able to play every year in the Garden for the Big East tourney. Now that program has nothing to sell prep players. It's made them incapable of competing against even a team like Gonzaga, much less giants like UNC and Duke.

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    The ACC is 15 teams, which is the biggest conference. It basically had 4 tiers: Elite(3), Good(3), OK(3), Terrible (6)

    This year it featured 3 top-8 teams (and 3 teams with 1 seeds): UNC/Duke/UVA

    Then 3 good teams ranked 13-25th: FSU, V Tech, Louisville


    The bottom 6 (40% of the conference) were very "middle of the WCC-like" (#174, #127, #115, #101, #97, #75)

    For comparison: BYU, USD, LMU, Pepperdine were: 86, 90, 134, 151

    There was a 5-game stretch in the middle of their conference season this year when Duke played: Pitt/G-Tech/Notre Dame/St Johns/Boston College. That stretch was more than a quarter of their regular season ACC play.

    Opponents were ranked: 101/115/97/127/88.

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    Here's a list of some NCAA tourney records for the last 7 seasons from an article on the Oregon board. Written before final 4, I think, so UVA not incl. here.

    Team--------------Appearances------------- Record----------- Avg seed
    Duke--------------7---------------------------18-6--------------2.1
    N Carolina---------7----------------------------18-6-------------3.3
    Kentucky----------6----------------------------18-6-------------3.7
    Michigan----------6----------------------------17-6--------------4.8
    GU----------------7----------------------------17-7-------------4.0
    Nova--------------7----------------------------16-5-------------3.1
    Michigan State----7----------------------------15-6--------------4.3
    Kansas------------7----------------------------15-7--------------1.7
    Oregon------------6----------------------------13-6....................7.2

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    In the last seven years, Gonzaga is #1 in the West; and that's the most important thing to me.

    Go Zags!!!
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    Honestly , JMHO, this thread isn’t radically different than the usual comments about GU/WCC/SOS. Regardless of competition level... why has no other small conference team done the same?
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    4 of the 7 have won 5 out of the last 6 National Championships. And the Zags aren't one of the 4 to have won it. And that's what should really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter View Post
    4 of the 7 have won 5 out of the last 6 National Championships. And the Zags aren't one of the 4 to have won it. And that's what should really matter.
    While winning a title is what I want, it ain’t “what really matters” ... a crapshoot tourney will never be that way for me
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    Not related, but how many of those teams in those games have had an opposing player make a play on the ball while being out of bounds...and not had that called?
    It's not funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Not related, but how many of those teams in those games have had an opposing player make a play on the ball while being out of bounds...and not had that called?
    Yes!

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