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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    Few didn't start Morrison on the 2004 team even though he was the best scorer on the team, and even though it was arguably one of the reasons why Gonzaga got worse during WCC play even as they kept winning games.

    Few has a longstanding tradition of starting experienced players over freshmen, even if there is a talent differential. I would be very surprised if Snacks, Kispert, and YES, even Petrusev are not starting next year ahead of all of the talented frosh. Petrusev was a top 50 player that was offered by Arizona, Kansas, Florida, Maryland and many other top flight BCS teams. And if Kilian returns, as I feel he will, he will start as well. Over Watson....everyone. It is just the way Few operates. If he does start Watson, it will be a break from tradition. In the past when freshmen have started, it's because there has been a hole in the lineup. Or because the returning player is not good enough to see big minutes.
    Petrusev could be considered at the 3 next year, what with the bigs coming in. Filip looked real comfortable taking the three last year. Mixing it up inside did not appear to be among his favorite things to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    Petrusev could be considered at the 3 next year, what with the bigs coming in. Filip looked real comfortable taking the three last year. Mixing it up inside did not appear to be among his favorite things to do.
    Being a “3” on offence and being a three on defence is where rubber meets the road. Can Filip defend at that position, that is the question and that is my concern for Watson as well. This isn’t a “I can score more than the man I have to guard” scenario...imo

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    Petrusev is an elite offensive player and he will cycle through the 4 and 5. Our offense will center around Zach and Petrusev. Watson is great and a jack of all trades and should give us plenty of positional flexibility. If he had played high level aau he would be higher ranked. He outplayed McDaniels all year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshzagit View Post
    Not hating whatsover, yet Kispert is a great 6th man type.

    yet Corey is coaches pet and there is nothing or no one going to change that.

    Second line above sure sounds like hating to me.

    IMO CK is capable of more, but much like Perkins in the NWG year, he's willing to give up his individual game for the good of the team imo. For most of the season, this year's team was one of the top 3 offenses since Kenpom began. CK is a glue guy in the offense. Always makes the right decisions, which helps put the team's stars in a position to excel. Few understands this even if fans don't.

    I don't believe it's CK v Watson. Rui at the 3 didn't happen. Harris at the 3 didn't happen. Those aren't exact comps to Watson, who is imo a better passer than both, and has decent handles for his size. So while it's more possible that Watson primarily plays the 3 for GU, it's like all the talk of someone surpassing SMC for second in the league; as I said before the season re that, I'll believe it when I see it.

    In the one time I saw Watson this year, v Federal Way, he had 4 points w/ 3 minutes left. The defense was keying on him, and Lloyd and Perola (sp?) were having terrific games, so it's to his credit that he let the game come to him. But when Fed Way made a run and took the lead late in the 3rd or early in the 4th, he tried to take over and go 1 on 1 w/ Tari Eason and couldn't score on him. One thing that disturbed me is that twice in that game, Watson picked up his dribble v the press and jumped in the air without knowing what he was going to do with the ball; once he threw it away and the other time one of his teammates managed to save the ball.

    In that game he got 6 of his 10 points after Eason and McDaniels fouled out. I knew he'd have a huge game v Mount Si because they didn't have anybody w/ the physical ability to contain his athleticism.

    IMO the talk of Watson being a 5 star and MCDAA worthy is a bit over the top; imo he deserves his high 4 star ranking. My brother went to State on Thursday (Prep's first game) and is impartial on the Zags. His opinion was that McDaniels and Paolo Banchero of O'dea were the best players he saw, and said Watson was "slightly behind" those two. IMO if Watson starts, it's probably at the 4 and because of departures leaving that spot open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g krebs View Post
    Second line above sure sounds like hating to me.

    IMO CK is capable of more, but much like Perkins in the NWG year, he's willing to give up his individual game for the good of the team imo. For most of the season, this year's team was one of the top 3 offenses since Kenpom began. CK is a glue guy in the offense. Always makes the right decisions, which helps put the team's stars in a position to excel. Few understands this even if fans don't.

    I don't believe it's CK v Watson. Rui at the 3 didn't happen. Harris at the 3 didn't happen. Those aren't exact comps to Watson, who is imo a better passer than both, and has decent handles for his size. So while it's more possible that Watson primarily plays the 3 for GU, it's like all the talk of someone surpassing SMC for second in the league; as I said before the season re that, I'll believe it when I see it.

    In the one time I saw Watson this year, v Federal Way, he had 4 points w/ 3 minutes left. The defense was keying on him, and Lloyd and Perola (sp?) were having terrific games, so it's to his credit that he let the game come to him. But when Fed Way made a run and took the lead late in the 3rd or early in the 4th, he tried to take over and go 1 on 1 w/ Tari Eason and couldn't score on him. One thing that disturbed me is that twice in that game, Watson picked up his dribble v the press and jumped in the air without knowing what he was going to do with the ball; once he threw it away and the other time one of his teammates managed to save the ball.

    In that game he got 6 of his 10 points after Eason and McDaniels fouled out. I knew he'd have a huge game v Mount Si because they didn't have anybody w/ the physical ability to contain his athleticism.

    IMO the talk of Watson being a 5 star and MCDAA worthy is a bit over the top; imo he deserves his high 4 star ranking. My brother went to State on Thursday (Prep's first game) and is impartial on the Zags. His opinion was that McDaniels and Paolo Banchero of O'dea were the best players he saw, and said Watson was "slightly behind" those two. IMO if Watson starts, it's probably at the 4 and because of departures leaving that spot open.
    I look at that game differently. McDaniels and Eason fouled out trying to contain him. Anton wasn’t playing with an equally gifted partner like McDaniels or Eason and neither was in the game at the end, yet Anton was, due to excellent coaching and a well disciplined squad. One of Anton’s qualities is being coachable. Athleticism doesn’t mean as much if players aren’t smart. His smoothness is deceptive too, as has been mentioned before. I’ve seen a couple coaches devalue their own smooth players until the record books make them take a second look.
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    The bottom line: Division 1 basketball is a lot different from high school ball. Too early to "annoint" certain newcomers as starters for the team. I believe Anton will make a great Zag. Have seen him play a few times. Have never seen Timme play, but another great get. How their play translates to big time college ball, I have no idea. Will have to wait. Is interesting that Ravet doesn't get the same plaudits as Watson and Timme although he held his own in AAU ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katman50 View Post
    The bottom line: Division 1 basketball is a lot different from high school ball. Too early to "annoint" certain newcomers as starters for the team. I believe Anton will make a great Zag. Have seen him play a few times. Have never seen Timme play, but another great get. How their play translates to big time college ball, I have no idea. Will have to wait. Is interesting that Ravet doesn't get the same plaudits as Watson and Timme although he held his own in AAU ball.
    When Kispert gets pulled, it's almost always for defense. He did show better speed and footwork as the season went on, but there is a reason opposing teams pick on him when he's in. I'd love to see him find more success. I'm not sure there is a harder worker on the team

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    IMO the talk of Watson being a 5 star and MCDAA worthy is a bit over the top; imo he deserves his high 4 star ranking. My brother went to State on Thursday (Prep's first game) and is impartial on the Zags. His opinion was that McDaniels and Paolo Banchero of O'dea were the best players he saw, and said Watson was "slightly behind" those two. IMO if Watson starts, it's probably at the 4 and because of departures leaving that spot open.
    “Slightly behind” a top 5 player in this class would still put him within top 25 and a McD’s AA imo. I’d still take Watson over McDaniels any day of the week. Watson may not have the potential of McDaniels but I’d be willing to bet he ends up the better player.

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    Anton could be very very similar to Culver and would be a dynamic add if:

    Anton could be a Culver look alike if he focus on defense, being able to defend the wing thru point guard

    Anton could be a Culver if he obtains a nice running floater in lane and consistent outside shot
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    I will tell you this........with all the talent that is coming in, Few may give Petrusev the first crack, but he had better experience a "Norvell-like" transformation on defense during the offseason. His offense was WAY ahead of his defense this year. I mean, that's normal with frosh, but really, Filip has a long, long way to go on D in the low post. I haven't seem him enough in pick and roll situations to see how he handles that. Whereas based on everything I have heard, Watson is going to be a terrific versatile defender. Granted, with much learning that will need to take place.

    I cannot wait to see Watson in a Zag uniform. Few is super high on him.

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    I think Norvell, Kispert, and Tillie, if he returns, will start. After that the windows are wide open. In this day and age freshmen can start because they are good enough to start. There are some really, really good freshmen players who are going to be on the team next year, and they will have CHANCE to start, or come off the bench and make a difference. I think our bench will be much better next year and that will help. I must say, there's was not a lot of scoring punch coming in off the bench this year and it hurt us against a team like Texas Tech who did have a good bench. If the freshmen are better they will play. I believe that's true. I agree with CDC that Petrusev does not have a guarantee. There are a couple of studs coming into the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    I will tell you this........with all the talent that is coming in, Few may give Petrusev the first crack, but he had better experience a "Norvell-like" transformation on defense during the offseason. His offense was WAY ahead of his defense this year. I mean, that's normal with frosh, but really, Filip has a long, long way to go on D in the low post. I haven't seem him enough in pick and roll situations to see how he handles that. Whereas based on everything I have heard, Watson is going to be a terrific versatile defender. Granted, with much learning that will need to take place.

    I cannot wait to see Watson in a Zag uniform. Few is super high on him.
    IMO, Filip has much to fear from Drew Timme. Drew's motor is nonstop, and won't need much of a learning curve. He's used to elite level competition, as seen in his AAU play, and his conference included the eventual state champ Duncanville. His school has a student population of about 2500 IIRC, as opposed to 5000 at Duncanville.

    He averaged 20+ ppg and 13 rpq last year. Good passer, too.

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    I was very high on Petrusev heading into the season. His talent level on offense is evident, but he was WAY behind where I thought he would be on defense. In my opinion, a lot of his struggles seemed to be from a lack of toughness/fire which is a little discouraging to see. I bet he will get the first crack at the starting spot, but it wouldn't surprise me to see one of the freshmen leapfrog him, especially Timme with his energy and elite passing ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    I will tell you this........with all the talent that is coming in, Few may give Petrusev the first crack, but he had better experience a "Norvell-like" transformation on defense during the offseason. His offense was WAY ahead of his defense this year. I mean, that's normal with frosh, but really, Filip has a long, long way to go on D in the low post. I haven't seem him enough in pick and roll situations to see how he handles that. Whereas based on everything I have heard, Watson is going to be a terrific versatile defender. Granted, with much learning that will need to take place.

    I cannot wait to see Watson in a Zag uniform. Few is super high on him.
    Maybe we’ll have 9, even 10 players getting real minutes. I think of that as a big plus. Quality bench strength seems to
    be a key to success in today’s college game.

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    I cannot believe people are still entertaining the idea of Tillie being back.

    There is nothing I would wish for more than Tillie coming back to be a solid presence on next year's team. We're suddenly top 8 or so and a contender again if he returns.

    But, until I hear that he's committed to coming back, I see no chance at all that it will happen. True, he isn't going to the NBA next year on the string of injuries he's had. But, he can make low 6 figures in Europe, where he's from, trying to make his case for an NBA job.

    I can only see him coming back if he believes that the coaching is so superior that it's worth giving up that money to develop and prove he can stay healthy (can he?) and set himself up as a first round pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    I cannot believe people are still entertaining the idea of Tillie being back.

    There is nothing I would wish for more than Tillie coming back to be a solid presence on next year's team. We're suddenly top 8 or so and a contender again if he returns.

    But, until I hear that he's committed to coming back, I see no chance at all that it will happen. True, he isn't going to the NBA next year on the string of injuries he's had. But, he can make low 6 figures in Europe, where he's from, trying to make his case for an NBA job.

    I can only see him coming back if he believes that the coaching is so superior that it's worth giving up that money to develop and prove he can stay healthy (can he?) and set himself up as a first round pick.
    I wouldn't make that bet that Tillie doesn't go to the NBA next year. He has the skill set to play in the NBA with his size/shooting combo. I completely expect him to be drafted this year if he goes, granted it will likely be the 2nd round due to the injury concern. I agree that his is unlikely to return to GU next season either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Vulture View Post
    I wouldn't make that bet that Tillie doesn't go to the NBA next year. He has the skill set to play in the NBA with his size/shooting combo. I completely expect him to be drafted this year if he goes, granted it will likely be the 2nd round due to the injury concern. I agree that his is unlikely to return to GU next season either way.
    For Tillie's sake it would be wonderful if you're right.

    Given that I think he's gone, I certainly want to be wrong about him and the NBA, want nothing but for that kid to be happy and succeed.
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    I am not sure why Tillie wouldn't stay for another year and be a 1st rounder in 2020. He doesn't show up on any 2019 draft boards that I can find anymore and even if he did go 2nd round that is no guarantee. Yes, he can make money right away in Europe but not compared to what a 1st round player can make in the NBA. The only concern I would have for him not going pro this year either in NBA or overseas is that he is pretty injury prone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    IMO, Filip has much to fear from Drew Timme. Drew's motor is nonstop, and won't need much of a learning curve. He's used to elite level competition, as seen in his AAU play, and his conference included the eventual state champ Duncanville. His school has a student population of about 2500 IIRC, as opposed to 5000 at Duncanville.

    He averaged 20+ ppg and 13 rpq last year. Good passer, too.
    There are some Texas talent evaluators who feel Timme is just flat out better than Will Baker, the guy who committed to Texas who is considered the top big man in the state. Certainly the top center.

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    Timme, Watson, Petrusev, Tillie, quite the front line. Formidable and might be no 1 frontline in the country. I like the very good athleticism but I also like the toughness Timme brings. Watson, less the "hammer" type kid but he'll get there. Raw talent wise, I like Filip...he's just got left behind when Tillie was available.

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    Seems to me that next season's roster/team, at this time, is one of the most difficult to make any sort of predictions for. Some very significant players are leaving for sure and others may. Enough new guys are coming in that teamwork factors become a huge unknown. Improvement of players who will return is a given - but by how much will they improve? My head spins a bit when I read the posts in this thread. Everyone is making good points and many points differ. I really don't know what to think and likely won't have a clue myself until at least KITK when we get to see who's present and how they play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EEzag View Post
    When Kispert gets pulled, it's almost always for defense. He did show better speed and footwork as the season went on, but there is a reason opposing teams pick on him when he's in. I'd love to see him find more success. I'm not sure there is a harder worker on the team
    It seems to me that when Kispert gets beat on defense it's because he's looking at the players eyes, not their hips. As my old coach used to say, "the hips don't lie".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    Timme, Watson, Petrusev, Tillie, quite the front line. Formidable and might be no 1 frontline in the country. I like the very good athleticism but I also like the toughness Timme brings. Watson, less the "hammer" type kid but he'll get there. Raw talent wise, I like Filip...he's just got left behind when Tillie was available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zagamatic View Post
    It seems to me that when Kispert gets beat on defense it's because he's looking at the players eyes, not their hips. As my old coach used to say, "the hips don't lie".
    Yer probably correct on that but not tell that to your girlfriend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    Timme, Watson, Petrusev, Tillie, quite the front line. Formidable and might be no 1 frontline in the country. I like the very good athleticism but I also like the toughness Timme brings. Watson, less the "hammer" type kid but he'll get there. Raw talent wise, I like Filip...he's just got left behind when Tillie was available.
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