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Thread: The Answer at PG: Brock Ravet

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagWhoShotLibertyValance View Post
    I guess we actually don't like a sense of humour here.

    Ugh. I like the way Jazz writes, and have discovered him to be one of the four or five best posters on this board. I enjoy his commentary and find that he cuts through the nonsense with simple one liners that enrage people. Good. I find most of the criticisms of his writing to be, well, lilliputian. I have heard the same joke made by Don Cherry when the Bruins had a really small lineup on the ice; Its not an insult to the player. Unless you think being short is bad? Cuz I don't think being short is bad. Hell, we could use Muggsy Bogues next year . . . Gosh, its just rhetoric. Half of our population's diminution of coherent logical analysis is the fear that it might offend someone.
    Thanks, Val. I wonder what "white lightning" stands for?

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    To reiterate, I acknowledge that Ravet is defensively challenged. More on that in a minute.

    Offensively, I'm going to choose to believe the eyewitness accounts of Maynard G Krebs and even moreso our own Reborn. Reborn, as many of you know, played guard for Gonzaga many years ago and has the unique perspective of having played basketball at a high level. They have described a player who will thrive offensively at the division 1 level.

    As to Ravet's opportunity to develop as a defensive player (and physically strength, to boot), I can speak from personal experience that it is possible to make a significant jump in ability in a short period of time. I did it! Coming out of a very small high school, I was an athlete of middling ability (in a different sport). I had a very intense desire, though, to be good and make an impact on the college level. I had 3 months from high school graduation until I had the chance to suit up for Gonzaga as a walk on. I made the team and 2 months later I was the top freshman in the conference and honorable mention all conference. Now, I realize this isn't an apples to apples comparison as I was not a basketball player, but the point is still valid. A young athlete can make a significant jump in ability/athleticism that older athletes typically can not.

    Another example, maybe more pertinent and over a slightly longer period of time, is Kelly Olynyk. He completely changed his body and what he was capable of athletically by applying smart training and most importantly determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    To reiterate, I acknowledge that Ravet is defensively challenged. More on that in a minute.

    Offensively, I'm going to choose to believe the eyewitness accounts of Maynard G Krebs and even moreso our own Reborn. Reborn, as many of you know, played guard for Gonzaga many years ago and has the unique perspective of having played basketball at a high level. They have described a player who will thrive offensively at the division 1 level.

    As to Ravet's opportunity to develop as a defensive player (and physically strength, to boot), I can speak from personal experience that it is possible to make a significant jump in ability in a short period of time. I did it! Coming out of a very small high school, I was an athlete of middling ability (in a different sport). I had a very intense desire, though, to be good and make an impact on the college level. I had 3 months from high school graduation until I had the chance to suit up for Gonzaga as a walk on. I made the team and 2 months later I was the top freshman in the conference and honorable mention all conference. Now, I realize this isn't an apples to apples comparison as I was not a basketball player, but the point is still valid. A young athlete can make a significant jump in ability/athleticism that older athletes typically can not.

    Another example, maybe more pertinent and over a slightly longer period of time, is Kelly Olynyk. He completely changed his body and what he was capable of athletically by applying smart training and most importantly determination.
    As I get older I can’t remember what I’ve shared publicly (or privately) but a month or so ago I learned that a couple members of the GU staff were so impressed with Ravet that they said if he were in THIS year’s team he would be getting meaningful and significant minutes. He’s that good. And they think that highly of him.

    "To be continued ....."
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    Good to hear GZ. Hey, I want the kid to succeed as well. Matter of fact, I will kiss LIZF's butt in Times Square if the kid can dribble brilliantly, hit better than 40% from 3, and 90% from the line. Who cares about D, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    As I get older I can’t remember what I’ve shared publicly (or privately) but a month or so ago I learned that a couple members of the GU staff were so impressed with Ravet that they said if he were in THIS year’s team he would be getting meaningful and significant minutes. He’s that good. And they think that highly of him.
    That is very reassuring.

    With that said, I should also acknowledge the obvious and that is that the proof is always in the pudding. Ravet, like any incoming freshman, has work to do and if he does it, then we're all going to be pleasantly surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Good to hear GZ. Hey, I want the kid to succeed as well. Matter of fact, I will kiss LIZF's butt in Times Square if the kid can dribble brilliantly, hit better than 40% from 3, and 90% from the line. Who cares about D, anyway.
    After all, your favorite player is Dan Dickau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    After all, your favorite player is Dan Dickau.
    Now we're talking, Mr. Liquori ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Now we're talking, Mr. Liquori ....
    More like Frank Shorter (lite, very, very lite)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Good to hear GZ. Hey, I want the kid to succeed as well. Matter of fact, I will kiss LIZF's butt in Times Square if the kid can dribble brilliantly, hit better than 40% from 3, and 90% from the line. Who cares about D, anyway.
    I would teach him to hack down on players’ arms and pray, which seems to be the way to be successful in March. In all seriousness, TT guards weren’t athletic, as far as I could tell, and they are part of the #1 defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    More like Frank Shorter (lite, very, very lite)
    I lived in Frank Shorter Running Gear.......great stuff, colors, fabric.....PS: wife did the LA Marathon again last wk.......35 in a row or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Thanks, Val. I wonder what "white lightning" stands for?
    There's this, from the Firesign Theatre, ca. 1970.

    "White lightning, white lightning, this is ground beef control. Do you read me? Over"

    "I read only good books. Over"

    "Ho ho ho. You must be way out there, Pastor"

    "I'm high all right, but not on false drugs. I'm high on the real thing. Powerful gasoline, a clean windshield, and a shoeshine. Over".

    "He's turning over. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get thee benind meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

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    What does that have to do with the Palestra, Les Keiter, Matt Guokas, Jr.



    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g krebs View Post
    There's this, from the Firesign Theatre, ca. 1970.

    "White lightning, white lightning, this is ground beef control. Do you read me? Over"

    "I read only good books. Over"

    "Ho ho ho. You must be way out there, Pastor"

    "I'm high all right, but not on false drugs. I'm high on the real thing. Powerful gasoline, a clean windshield, and a shoeshine. Over".

    "He's turning over. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get thee benind meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    My comment was true a month or two ago ... during the actual season. I corrected a couple of comments that GU was “reaching out” to several potential Grad Transfers. At the time there were folks that had discretely reached out to the Zags through intermediaries (while the kids were still playing with their schools).

    Now that the season is over (for most programs) kids are declaring their intentions of transferring. GU (and any program) are able to contact these types of transfers. At least that’s my understanding.

    BTw when Nigel announced he was transferring from
    UDub Gonzaga wasn’t on his list. But Brian Michaelson (a fellow Portland native) let it be known that the Zags were interested. That one sure worked out okay.

    This statement is very true. I can say that the family that I heard was reaching out during the season has not put his name in the transfer portal.

    That being said there are some pretty good names that our coaches are contacting and they are contacting us too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    What does that have to do with the Palestra, Les Keiter, Matt Guokas, Jr.
    Well, you asked about the origin of the user name "white lightning". As a firesign theatre fan, I'm hoping that's where he got it. And my older brother brought home my first firesign theatre albums from his Penn dorm, a few stones' throws from the Palestra, along w/ Penn-Princeton tickets and some recreation enhancing substances that can't be mentioned on a family board.

    So indirectly, it probably has more to do with Wohl, Bilsky, Bobby Morse, Phil Hankinson, Craig Littlepage, and my favorite, Corky Calhoun, who sadly and inexplicably lost his jump shot his last year.

    And back to Ravet. He seems to get faster with the ball in his hands.

    As to his level of play, I was blown away, as I was by young Dickau and Morrison.

    But I was also blown away when I saw hs Gary Bell score 29 first half pts in a state regional game v a good Arlington team (19-7 or something like that) on 10 of 12 and 5 of 6 threes, some from 25". Very Dickau at LMU-like. And when I saw South Medford (Or) guard Mike Harthun hit a bunch of deep 3's and outduel Kevin Love in the Oregon 6a state champ game after Love fouled out Kyle Singler, I thought he'd be Blake Stepp-like for Tony Bennett at WSU, where he flamed out and finished at Portland State.

    And Bell was a good, not great player for GU, and Harthun a bust despite his borderline top 100 ranking. So you never really know until you see it on the D1 level. But at the very least, he's gonna be entertaining as hell. And I watch basketball to be entertained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g krebs View Post
    Well, you asked about the origin of the user name "white lightning". As a firesign theatre fan, I'm hoping that's where he got it. And my older brother brought home my first firesign theatre albums from his Penn dorm, a few stones' throws from the Palestra, along w/ Penn-Princeton tickets and some recreation enhancing substances that can't be mentioned on a family board.

    So indirectly, it probably has more to do with Wohl, Bilsky, Bobby Morse, Phil Hankinson, Craig Littlepage, and my favorite, Corky Calhoun, who sadly and inexplicably lost his jump shot his last year.
    Ahh, the Red Quakers. How did u forget Tony Price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Ahh, the Red Quakers. How did u forget Tony Price?
    Didn't play w/ those guys. A few yrs later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    I would teach him to hack down on players’ arms and pray, which seems to be the way to be successful in March. In all seriousness, TT guards weren’t athletic, as far as I could tell, and they are part of the #1 defense.
    No Kidding! Totally the biggest reason we lost, and may be a strategy worth employing.

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    Even if Brock Ravet is the answer - the name of this thread - and I hope he is, though that is putting a tremendous amount of pressure on a first year player, a different type of pressure than a big who is a true frosh, a pg is an extension of Few on the floor, especially in our offense, but even if he IS the answer, that doesn't mean we're not dearly in need of one, probably two other transfers or JUCO players to help hold us over at the guard position.

    I am encouraged by Caldwell's words, though we could've guessed that the coach's first task upon the season ending is sowing up the guard situation as we welcome in the most heralded class in Zag history.

    It is crucial, as in this day and age, with one and dones, and all that, the bigs we have coming are of such quality that I don't see us as destined to fall off tremendously. Though we're unlikely to be a number one seed, I don't anticipate a 10 seed, either, and I certainly don't think we're "missing the tournament" next year.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.
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    “You do have to ask yourself, ‘Will what he does work at our level?’ Coming from such a lower level of playing B school basketball, it’s a fair question. But when we saw Brock play, I think we were pretty confident right away that what he did would be effective at our level.”

    But what stuck out most to the Gonzaga coaches was how willingly Brock passed to teammates during the games at the camp. It’s what has brought so much success to the Kittitas boys team – his ability to spread the ball around, break down the defense and find the right shot.
    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...l-ride-basket/

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    Thanks for posting. Fun article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    I honestly do not remember Pangos being an exceptional defender. He didn't have much length and was not much of a steals guy. He was crazy strong for his height though.
    Pangos is #2 in career steals at GU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickMick View Post
    I have had negative feedback for this but I’m sticking to my Rotnei Clark comparison. Actually a huge compliment. Rotnei practiced 300 three point shots per day.

    I think Brock is a scorer more than anything. I could picture him as a shooting guard with combo skills.
    Dranginis also shot a couple hundred a day from the time he committed in high school and still made less than 100 on the court in his career for GU. He was a big fish in a small Idaho pond.

    I think what im seeing is we just don’t know what Ravet will be til he’s done here. I sure want to root for him just as much as I rooted for Wade, who I couldn’t sing high enough praises of, but to be at the top, we need the top players and those won’t be here till 2021

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooter73 View Post
    Pangos is #2 in career steals at GU.

    #3 as of Perkins last game 🙂

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g krebs View Post
    There's this, from the Firesign Theatre, ca. 1970.

    "White lightning, white lightning, this is ground beef control. Do you read me? Over"

    "I read only good books. Over"

    "Ho ho ho. You must be way out there, Pastor"

    "I'm high all right, but not on false drugs. I'm high on the real thing. Powerful gasoline, a clean windshield, and a shoeshine. Over".

    "He's turning over. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get thee benind meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
    maynard, how can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?
    We didn't want the guy anyway.

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