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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    No offense to our other sports, but I don't care about cross country, soccer, or tennis. I think we need to use our current cache to move up to a more sustainable able long-term situation.
    But it’s safe to say you care about WBB, and baseball?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    No offense to our other sports, but I don't care about cross country, soccer, or tennis. I think we need to use our current cache to move up to a more sustainable able long-term situation.
    The administration will not make any decisions on conference affiliation that does not take into account all sports. That priority has been made clear. The school has invested too much into its other sports programs to just suddenly abandon them.

    So any move forward will be a holistic, strategic decision that will at the least not harm other programs, and optimally improve conditions for them. The administration has tended towards making decisions that improve the quality of all of it programs, so an optimal strategy is the most likely path for the University.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    No offense to our other sports, but I don't care about cross country, soccer, or tennis. I think we need to use our current cache to move up to a more sustainable able long-term situation.
    no offense taken

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    ANY WAY ?? To schedule in a big time, non WCC opponent somewhere near the end of the season? Either that or run the team through automatic car washes for a while, slap ‘um around, knock ‘um down, spit in their face, blow dry ‘um to get ‘um prepared and ready for what’s going to hit ‘um at the dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzagafan62 View Post
    The committee never takes past history into account when seeding/selecting teams. Never have. If they did, Virginia wouldn’t be a one seed, and we would never be after Wichita State. Good teams are good teams.

    And lose two games in conference? That’s an awfully random number, and again doesn’t mean anything as it relates to an at large bid. Do you forget 2012 already? Lost 3 games. Selected 7 seed. 2014 lost 3 games woulda easily been selected ... for the 8 seed. Wouldn’t have been left out if we lost to BYU in title game. 2005 lost 2 times and got a three seed... woulda easily been selected if we lost the title game there

    BYU lost 5 conference games and got in the year of 2015. Lol

    It goes year by year and includes full body of work. Please at least research first lol
    2010-11 we needed an at autobid. 2015-16 we needed an autobid. You lose three games you are on the bubble.

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    The committee has bias and that affects your seeding. We only got a four seed in 2008 and another four seed in 2018. Both those teams deserved better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    2010-11 we needed an at autobid. 2015-16 we needed an autobid. You lose three games you are on the bubble.
    Again, you are referencing years that we didn’t have the strongest non conference performances. It’s about full body of work not losing such and such games lol that’s silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    The committee has bias and that affects your seeding. We only got a four seed in 2008 and another four seed in 2018. Both those teams deserved better.
    What bias? Please enlighten all of us please. Lol I believe they do set matchups and it might effect seeding by 1 line, but no I don’t feel like 2018 deserved better than a 4. At the time it was what was expected and I was fine with it. 2008 def deserves better than a 7, probably a 6, but they wanted the Davidson matchup. It’s whatever haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaCoyote View Post
    ANY WAY ?? To schedule in a big time, non WCC opponent somewhere near the end of the season? Either that or run the team through automatic car washes for a while, slap ‘um around, knock ‘um down, spit in their face, blow dry ‘um to get ‘um prepared and ready for what’s going to hit ‘um at the dance.

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    I had so many discussions with Doc about this that I am sure he would get out the back door if he had a chance to avoid me...but he was endlessly patient and unfailingly polite and ….consistent.....Gonzaga will not play a home and home with a team with a RTI of 100.... Gonzaga has earned the right to a home and home with teams in the top 30...…opportunities to play in pre season tournaments and made for tv games severely impact the schedule....

    If they were willing to play top teams without a home and home they could play nearly any team.....I think...he didn't say that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    We have to do everything we can this year to join another league. We have to capitalize so we can join a conference where we get prepared for the tournament and where the conference doesn't hurt our recruiting. The auto ncaa is not worth not being prepared for the tournament. Big East travel would suck but it would help us tremendously.
    So the acc didn’t adequately prepare unc for the dance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adoptedzag View Post
    So the acc didn’t adequately prepare unc for the dance?
    UNC has been to 6 final fours this century and won 3 championships. They almost would have for sure won another title in 2012 if Kendall Marshall had not gotten hurt. How about we look at UConn, which has arguably been the most successful program this century and then Calhoun leaves, they are out of the Big East and are now totally irrelevant. UConn is not a prestige job now. If they were in the Big East or ACC they would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    Could you elaborate? They had 2 teams make the tourney and both schools, plus SDSU are on the upswing. But I do think my suggestion would be a compromise; do with the BE what ND does with the ACC in football; play 6-8 games a year vs them.
    I’d be fine with that, but we still don’t have that leverage imo, could be wrong tho.

    Getting to your MWC debate, yes they had two teams make tournament but both were outside of top 6 seeds.

    Conference rankings

    8. WCC
    16. Mountain West

    Again, yes they had great top, but the middle and bottom of their conference was way worse than the WCC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    Uh....we already are. We're a national powerhouse despite our conference.
    I mildly agree, but we unless you have a championship and multiple final fours, all those schools are above us. If UCLA gets a competent coach, they can easily win a title within 5 years. Arizona is also in that conversation. Oregon may be getting there if they get better at concealing how they pay their players. If Few leaves, Gonzaga is not a school many coaches would consider moving to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladyzag12 View Post
    I mildly agree, but we unless you have a championship and multiple final fours, all those schools are above us. If UCLA gets a competent coach, they can easily win a title within 5 years. Arizona is also in that conversation. Oregon may be getting there if they get better at concealing how they pay their players. If Few leaves, Gonzaga is not a school many coaches would consider moving to.
    Please provide a list of ALL these teams with national title and multiple final four appearances

    The list is very short
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopaholic View Post
    Please provide a list of ALL these teams with national title and multiple final four appearances

    The list is very short

    That is totally fair, but I think that should be our goal. Let's get to be a tier 1B program. Here is a list just by final 4 appearances: I think we could get to an Arizona level.



    20 North Carolina
    17 Kentucky, UCLA*
    16 Duke
    15 Kansas
    10 Ohio State*
    9 Michigan State
    8 Indiana, Louisville**
    6 Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan**, Oklahoma State, Syracuse
    5 Connecticut, Florida, Georgetown, Houston, Illinois, Oklahoma, Villanova*
    4 Arizona, Kansas State, LSU, UNLV, Utah, Wisconsin
    3 California, Iowa, Marquette, N.C. State, San Francisco, Texas, Virginia
    2 Baylor, Bradley, Butler, CCNY, Colorado, Dartmouth, DePaul, Georgia Tech, Holy Cross, La Salle, Loyola-Chicago, Maryland, NYU, Oregon, Oregon State, Providence, Purdue, St. John's, Stanford, Temple, USC, West Virginia, Wichita State

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    I can’t wait to buy season tickets for the GU football season. I heard Lee Corso was looking to get back into coaching. PAC 13?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopaholic View Post
    Please provide a list of ALL these teams with national title and multiple final four appearances

    The list is very short
    just checked the google machine, there are 21 programs that have been to multiple final fours and won a natty

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    Add sports and join the Pac12. No reason that football couldn't be as successful as basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pony View Post
    Add sports and join the Pac12. No reason that football couldn't be as successful as basketball.
    I think our chances of joining the Pac 12 are higher without football, as a non-football-revenue sharing school, than with a startup football program in a market already covered by UW, WSU and Oregon.

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    Better, a couple of guards who shoot over 40% from three and are capable of hitting two in a row. Our three sharpshooters were all 37% from LD. And one needs 12 shots to get locked in. All the lottery bigs in the world don’t make up for that. Norvell took 100 more LDs than Kispert and 120 more than Josh, that’s crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGzag View Post
    How’s it worked for Creighton? Exactly. Folks think we’re Duke where 5* recruits are lining up. They’re not and moving to the Big East may present a recruit or two, but we’ve done pretty well with the formula coaches have used. Some posters make me laugh. We lose in the E8 and suddenly it’s the conference. Just two days later we soundly beat an ACC team and it’s the exact opposite.
    Hasn't really done much for Butler either. Other than Villanova the Big East is nothing to get excited about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pony View Post
    Add sports and join the Pac12. No reason that football couldn't be as successful as basketball.
    Name the last program that started a football program from scratch and became successful.

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    How many teams do the p5 conferences start with? One of them definitely has the odds to make it to the end. Zags were a couple makes or a couple less turnovers away from advancing. It's not like they were blown out. Their success in recent years is unbelievable. As Zag fans we are spoiled with the success we have been treated to. I don't think changing leagues would bring better results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    I think at this point most everyone agrees that our conference affiliation and feasting on cupcakes for three months does not prepare us for the rigors of March madness as well as it does other teams that play in much more difficult conferences. Every single team left is in a P5 conference. Due to geographic limitations, we are sort of stuck though. But I do think I may have a good compromise;

    Do with the BE what ND does with the ACC in football; play 6-8 games a year vs them Including games in February and March. What say you? And would the Big East even agree to that?
    That would be great, but we are just posters on a BB Forum. It doesn’t really matter what we think.

    We may find that some of the Cupcakes bite back hard next season.

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    Okay preparing for rigors of Ncaa tournament? Now that’s just nonsense.

    Making it to where you can open doors for more state kids? Now that makes sense.
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    The Best Point Guard to ever play the game: John Stockton, most assists, most steals.

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