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Thread: 2020 Jalen Suggs: Verbal Commit on 1/3/20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markburn1 View Post
    Not sure that matters. He is more than likely a high end football prospect simply based on his athletic ability and not necessarily on his lack of competition.
    Good pt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    From what I have read, he’s a better basketball prospect (disclaimer: I’ve never seen him play either sport)
    You've never seen Suggs play basketball?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrooner View Post
    You've never seen Suggs play basketball?
    A few amazing dunks and highlight reel stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    A few amazing dunks and highlight reel stuff...
    Excellent response. Watching someone play basketball entails much more than seeing a few clips. Highlight reels can give an indication of athleticism and maybe show a level of individual offensive/defensive skill but reveals very little in the way of an overall basketball product. That’s why coaches go watch players several times before offering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markburn1 View Post
    Excellent response. Watching someone play basketball entails much more than seeing a few clips. Highlight reels can give an indication of athleticism and maybe show a level of individual offensive/defensive skill but reveals very little in the way of an overall basketball product. That’s why coaches go watch players several times before offering.
    Especially important, it seems to me, for a PG. Floor game is a talent that is as important as the more quantifiable skills like shooting/dribbling/passing, especially if you are going to be leading a team and may only be around for 1-2 years. Suggs needs to come with a good feel for the game or he will hurt his team. I think of Demetri Goodson, who had some very good tools (shooting aside) but ended up ceding playing time to David Stockton, who ran the team better (and seemed to have a symbiotic connection with Sam Dower in the post)

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    It must be tough being a Minnesota fan this year. So much great talent within a stone's throw of the campus and they won't haul anyone in. They just lost Ben Carlson to Wisconsin.

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    If you were an athlete, would you want to go to Minnesota ? I wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOtherGreatOne View Post
    If you were an athlete, would you want to go to Minnesota ? I wouldn't.
    In terms of location I don't think Wisconsin is much better, or even Spokane for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagRecruitWatch View Post
    In terms of location I don't think Wisconsin is much better, or even Spokane for that matter.
    It doesn't have anything to do with location, Minnesota athletics just simply suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagRecruitWatch View Post
    It must be tough being a Minnesota fan this year. So much great talent within a stone's throw of the campus and they won't haul anyone in. They just lost Ben Carlson to Wisconsin.
    Just like the Reid Travis/Rashad Vaughn/Tyus Jones year

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    Didn't Minnesota have a problem with their football team last year or the year before, where the players almost went on "strike" and the coach supported his players and then got fired...I wonder if this issue hasn't added to their problem of recruiting athletes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    Didn't Minnesota have a problem with their football team last year or the year before, where the players almost went on "strike" and the coach supported his players and then got fired...I wonder if this issue hasn't added to their problem of recruiting athletes...
    That was about 3 years ago before PJ Fleck took over as Head Coach. I don't think that has had too big of an impact on recruiting.

    Overall there are a number of factors that have hindered in-state recruitment including lack of recent success, the fact that Minneapolis is very much a pro sports market, turnover in the coaching staff and administration within the last ten years, and also people have complained about the level of effort Pitino has put into developing relationships with local HS coaches. I give Pitino a pass on the Tyus Jones, Rashad Vaughn, Reid Travis & JP Macura class because he had just taken over on the job, but it'd be a bad look for him if they struck out on all top in-state players this year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GuZag2012 View Post
    That was about 3 years ago before PJ Fleck took over as Head Coach. I don't think that has had too big of an impact on recruiting.

    Overall there are a number of factors that have hindered in-state recruitment including lack of recent success, the fact that Minneapolis is very much a pro sports market, turnover in the coaching staff and administration within the last ten years, and also people have complained about the level of effort Pitino has put into developing relationships with local HS coaches. I give Pitino a pass on the Tyus Jones, Rashad Vaughn, Reid Travis & JP Macura class because he had just taken over on the job, but it'd be a bad look for him if they struck out on all top in-state players this year.


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    I think they might be headed for that look. I think the top two guys left are Suggs and Gracia both of which are poised to go elsewhere. They are the current favorites for Chet right now on 247 but that will be changing quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagRecruitWatch View Post
    They are the current favorites for Chet right now on 247 but that will be changing quickly.
    Such a tease.

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    I read on Twitter that the zags are visiting with karim mane and kerwin Walton both guards in the 2020 class. Does that mean that they are worried about missing out on suggs or are they doing due diligence. Or is there room for both suggs and one of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankMyZAG View Post
    I read on Twitter that the zags are visiting with karim mane and kerwin Walton both guards in the 2020 class. Does that mean that they are worried about missing out on suggs or are they doing due diligence. Or is there room for both suggs and one of them?
    The fact that Suggs hasn't visited any other schools (officially) and is already coming back for his second official to gonzaga pretty much squashes any worry. From the people I've talked to they still have a huge battle to not lose Walker to Duke so I believe that is where they are doing there due diligence. That being said two things.

    1. Gonzaga has two opening left for next year so they are still exploring talent that has open recruiting and traditionally we have been very good with guys like Karim Mane. Gonzaga also will need the most help at guard next year as they expect most/all the bigs to stay with the exception of Tille.
    2. Kessler is a stretch for us based on location. It is well excepted that Gonzaga is in the top 3 and IMO Gonzaga is easily the best fit for him. I can promise that the Zags will be pulling out all the stops for him and Suggs in two week.

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    If I were the staff I would be bringing up Zach Collins for that visit who even though has a different body type, plays extremely similar to Kessler.

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    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...-guard-steward

    "Coach K, Duke land blue-chip '20 guard Steward"

    Don't know if this impacts Suggs. Seems like Duke is set at guard.

    "The Blue Devils are now focused on the frontcourt for the rest of the 2020 class, with five-stars Ziaire Williams and Walker Kessler and four-stars Henry Coleman and Mark Williams among the top targets."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markburn1 View Post
    https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...-guard-steward

    Don't know if this impacts Suggs. Seems like Duke is set at guard.

    "The Blue Devils are now focused on the frontcourt for the rest of the 2020 class, with five-stars Ziaire Williams and Walker Kessler and four-stars Henry Coleman and Mark Williams among the top targets."
    Not for Suggs. I believe Florida, Florida State and Iowa State have a lottery chance of getting suggs if Gonzaga doesn't. What does impact gonzaga in this article is Mark Williams. I would like to see Mark Williams commit to Duke before Walker makes his decision. I think Duke already having a top front court player might impact his decision and level the playing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankMyZAG View Post
    I read on Twitter that the zags are visiting with karim mane and kerwin Walton both guards in the 2020 class. Does that mean that they are worried about missing out on suggs or are they doing due diligence. Or is there room for both suggs and one of them?
    These guys sound like added depth to go along with the prized Jalen Suggs. They also sound like 3-4 year program guys. The staff shouldn’t never abandon finding guys that can play roles for multiple years... Otherwise, they’ll start having a hard time going deep consistently like Kentucky. Grad transfers aren’t always the best answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malastein View Post
    These guys sound like added depth to go along with the prized Jalen Suggs. They also sound like 324 year program guys. The staff shouldn’t never abandon finding guys that can play roles for multiple years... Otherwise, they’ll start having a hard time going deep consistently like Kentucky. Grad transfers aren’t always the best answer.
    Not sure I would consider a guy like Karim Mane a role player. The dude was a absolute baller during the FIBA U19 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagRecruitWatch View Post
    Not sure I would consider a guy like Karim Mane a role player. The dude was a absolute baller during the FIBA U19 games.
    I couldn’t agree with you more Zag! These guys may add depth for their freshman season but they are not role players. karim mane is a 5 star top 25 recruit by 247. Kerwin Walton had an incredible summer shooting the ball and I believe is a composite top 100 player. One more thing of note: I believe Powell recruited 2 guards from karim mane’s high school in canada to play for him at Valpo and they had great careers there. So that helps the relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagRecruitWatch View Post
    If I were the staff I would be bringing up Zach Collins for that visit who even though has a different body type, plays extremely similar to Kessler.
    I would not bring Collins in. I would hope that he would drop by where Kessler is, much as happened with Wiltjer going to Kentucky. Just an NBA player dropping by to chat, all on his own.
    It's not funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    I would not bring Collins in. I would hope that he would drop by where Kessler is, much as happened with Wiltjer going to Kentucky. Just an NBA player dropping by to chat, all on his own.
    Means to the same end

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagBlue View Post
    I couldn’t agree with you more Zag! These guys may add depth for their freshman season but they are not role players. karim mane is a 5 star top 25 recruit by 247. Kerwin Walton had an incredible summer shooting the ball and I believe is a composite top 100 player. One more thing of note: I believe Powell recruited 2 guards from karim mane’s high school in canada to play for him at Valpo and they had great careers there. So that helps the relationship.
    Yes Kerwin Walton is regarded as one of the best shooters in the class and comes from a great program in Minnesota in Hopkins HS. He's flown up the rankings after a great summer and has picked up recent offers from North Carolina & Arizona.


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