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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 116 View Post
    Stanford win moves Zags to #24 in the AP poll: http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/rankings
    I was hoping for 25, so this is even better! Our WCC sisters are not doing nearly as well.

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    The mid-majors still are getting the shaft by the voters. In particular:

    South Carolina - 4-4 including a loss to Drake and Oregon State in Vancouver and two (2) home loses to Baylor and Maryland by over 20 points in each case. Sorry, but the home losses by over 20 points even to top teams, gets you out of the top 25 in my book. According to the recent bracketology, USC is now an 8th seed while GU and Drake are 6th seeds and South Dakota is a 7th seed and South Dakota State is an at large. An 8th seed puts you in at 29-32, not 22 as in the AP poll.

    Depaul is ranked 20 despite being 1-3 against P-6 teams and 0-3 against ranked teams. Depaul played ND in a neutral site game and was beat by 24 which is considerably more than Drake or GU was beaten by ND in a neutral site game. Why are they ranked above GU and Drake?

    The last complaint is about Texas (#10 in the AP). They played at home against Mississippi State (#6 in the AP) and were being blown out by over 30 points until MSU called off the dogs and UT drop the final margin to 18. It is bad enough to get beat at home by 18 but then to only score 49 and only 49 because MSU put in the subs. So what happens to Texas? They fall from #10 to #12. Really?

    The rest of the AP top 25, I have little to complain about. It is what it is but it is hard enough to get mid-majors into the tournament and when you "reward" P-6 teams with unfair rankings when they do not need it or earn it, it simply takes away potential for more mid-majors to make the tournament, which is likely what the selection committee wants anyway.

    O'k off my horse and back to the grind.

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    Drake is the current flavor of the month riding on their good run last year.....

    what about Oregon.....they played Syracuse but what other big names....seems like they've played a lot of lesser teams and for that they get rated high?....

    look at what the Zags are doing.....impossible schedule last year with so many away games to start the year, and this year playing in a tournament against the national championship...

    I respected our loss because we showed pretty good and were not blown out at all....add Stanford to it, plus Rutgers and UNLV etc, and its a pretty impressive body of work...

    now to the numbers....

    IF we can finish the OOC schedule with wins, and that is not a given because WSU has some scorers and are capable of putting up lots of points....MSU is not having a good year so far and I think Idaho is no problem......BUT if we can run the OOC we have a good chance of winning lots of games in conference....

    even if we lose a total of 4 games all season, and still win the conference our rating should be high....maybe a 16 or so and we all know what that means.....we play on our home court to start the NCAA.....ZD correct me if I am wrong....


    the key to the ncaa's is the home court/seeding......but we all know that the narrative changes at the whims of the eastern media and the corrupt ncaa......so we must win BIG so they have no choice...

    some of the scedules of "ranked" teams are laughable.....and even Oreg State...so far and in the near future they've played exclusively on their home court, except for the Vancouver tourney and do have a couple of games in Hawaii.....
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    Stanford was the best game the young ladies have played this year and maybe in the last two years. Besides shooting lights out the defense and rebounding was terrific. It was a tribute to their hard work and a terrific by job by Lisa and her staff. If they continue to play that way, they will not be beat again this year. Go Lady Zags

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    Sylean, you are being a "little" unfair.

    Initial polls have to be based on last year's results, who the teams have coming back, incoming freshman class and transfers as there is no other basis of evaluation because no games had been played. Yes in many cases, it is a turkey shoot because of injuries, redshirts, effectiveness of freshman & transfers is unknown, etc. As games are played teams move up and down the polls as they win or lose games. Loses by mid-majors are treated much more harshly than loses by P-6 conference teams and those losses are often justified which is a matter of life, unfair or not. If you keep in mind that it is in the best interests of the NCAA and P-6 conferences to want as many P-6 teams in "their" tournament at the expense of mid-major teams. After all, does South Carolina vs Texas carry more national interest than Drake vs UConn? You see my point, thus it is in the best interest of everyone (except the mid-majors) to have the highest profile teams competing throughout the season and in NCAA tournament and as such will purposely try and limit the influx of quality mid-major teams. Remember it has nothing to do about what is fair.

    Men or women, it does not matter. If you play in a mid-major conference, you have to make your statement in the OOC schedule, because your conference schedule (is believed by the pundits and the NCAA) to be against much weaker opponents than the P-6 teams. On the other hand, P-6 teams do not have to build up their resume' in the OOC schedule because they feel their conference schedule is more than sufficient to justify their place in the NCAA tournament. You are correct that some P-6 teams plan their OOC schedule as you have noted above; play weaker teams at home to build up team chemistry, prepare for a "fun" Thanksgiving tournament in a warm location, then close with a few games against some stronger opposition to prepare for the conference schedule. This is not all that unusual for teams in the West and the Pac-12 in particular has paid the price for their poor OOC scheduling in past tournaments.

    However that is not the case in many leagues back East. Just on Sunday, here is a list of games between teams in different P-6 conferences: Iowa State vs Arkansas, Michigan vs Marquette, Miami vs Colorado, Tennessee vs Oklahoma State, Mississippi State vs Texas, Baylor vs South Carolina & Notre Dame vs Connecticut. Earlier in the week (11/29) you had Notre Dame vs Iowa, Nebraska vs Louisville, Georgia Tech vs Maryland, Syracuse vs Minnesota, Michigan vs NC State. Miami vs Purdue. You will find these types of games played every week since the beginning of November. When these games are scheduled, nobody knows the type of team the opposition will have or injuries that may have occurred (such as the pre-season MVP for South Carolina), but the fact is many P-6 teams, particularly in the Midwest and East are scheduling several OOC games against other P-6 conferences and against top rated teams. UConn, ND, Tennessee, South Carolina, Louisville, Mississippi State, etc. have a long history of scheduling OOC games against top rated competition. There are obviously some P-6 teams which play nobody and play the nobodies at home during the OCC but there are many P-6 teams, including some of the best teams in the country, which play the best teams in the country during the OOC to improve their teams before conference schedules begin.

    You are being very unfair to Drake. They are certainly not living on last year's accomplishments. You can take your listed Gonzaga Wbb accomplishments; 16 point loss to ND, 17 point victory over Rutgers and a 6 point victory over Stanford at home (UNLV is not a P-6 team) and compare it to Drake's accomplishments this year which include a 6 point victory over Nebraska in Lincoln, a 10 point victory over Rutgers, an 18 point loss to Notre Dame, a 5 point victory over South Carolina plus a 16 point victory over Creighton in Omaha and throw in a 12 point victory over the #5 ranked mid-major team (South Dakota).

    GU has a better victory, Drake has a lot more P-6 victories both have very similar losses to ND in the same location. You can effectively argue either side of which is more important (quality vs quantity) and who should be ranked higher, but to say Drake is living on last year's accomplishments is simply incorrect. They have earned their ranking based on this year's accomplishments. Plus, everyone of their starting 5 may hit the career 1,000 point mark this year. Drake is for real.

    I am sure that SeaCat will come and straighten both of us out particularly about the Pac-12, but keep in mind the mid-majors must build their case in the OOC and the P-6 teams will traditionally build their cases in the conference season, so there is bound to be some disparity in the records and polls early in the season.

    ZagDad

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagDad84 View Post
    I am sure that SeaCat will come and straighten both of us out particularly about the Pac-12, but keep in mind the mid-majors must build their case in the OOC and the P-6 teams will traditionally build their cases in the conference season, so there is bound to be some disparity in the records and polls early in the season.
    ZagDad
    I don't know if that was necessary.

    It's early in the season. Some of the highly ranked teams don't look very good to me. There is a long way to go to figure out who the top teams really are. I'm not making any bold predictions at this point.

    It was a good win for Gonzaga yesterday, they and their fans have every reason to be feeling very optimistic about this season.


    GU vs. Wazzu could be interesting. Cougs got off to a terrible start but appear to be playing better now. Since GU beat Stanford they should definitely be able to handle WSU.

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    No Worrys SeaCat.

    You watch more Pac-12 Wbb than anybody else posting on this board and if I misstated anything about the Pac-12, you are the person who would know.

    Sorry about the confusion.

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    From GoZags:

    Women's Basketball 12/3/2018 1:20:00 PM
    Zags Crack the AP Top 25 at No. 24
    Bulldogs ranked for first time since 2016

    SPOKANE, Wash. – After defeating then-No.8/7 Stanford 79-73 in front of a sellout crowd Sunday afternoon at the McCarthey Athletic Center, the Gonzaga women's basketball team cracked the top 25 with a No. 24 national ranking in the Associated Press Top 25 Poll released Monday. The Bulldogs received 93 votes in the poll.

    The Zags were last ranked in the AP Poll on Nov. 26, 2016 at No. 25. The Zags have now been ranked in the AP Top-25 for 71 weeks all-time. The highest ranking the Zags have ever reached in the poll was No. 15 on March 27, 2010.

    Gonzaga is off to an 8-1 start this season, the best start in head women's basketball coach Lisa Fortier's five seasons and the best since the 2013-14 season which saw the Zags start 8-1. Through nine games, the Zags are averaging 67.3 points per game shooting 40 percent from the floor. Zykera Rice and Chandler Smith average double-figures for the Bulldogs at 11.2 and 10.0 points per game, respectively, while Katie Campbell adds 9.8. Campbell is shooting 55 percent from long range to rank second in the West Coast Conference and 21st nationally.

    Gonzaga will host Washington State Sunday, Dec. 9 at 2 p.m. at the McCarthey Athletic Center in its first game this season as a ranked program.
    Article Link: https://gozags.com/news/2018/12/3/wo...-at-no-24.aspx

    ZagDad

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    No worries ZagDad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerpZag View Post
    Congrats to Lisa and all the coaches!

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    So after beating Stanford 24hrs ago and having your team ranked in the top 25 where do you find yourself? Watching a high school game and recruiting in Fresno Ca. Your hard work is appreciated. Spoke wiith the Truong twins yesterday at the game. They could not believe the fan support. They cant wait until next year.

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    recruiting who or where in Fresno?

    on the radio talk show, Steve talked about Lisa recruiting and Stacy was there and said she's going down to see the Truong twins in texas....

    team ate at CLFs house after the game and watched the game on the telly.....

    Katie was there and when asked about how well the team has been playing said that the team was "shockingly good".......that she has always been a long range shooter but also relies on her defense if her offense is down...

    now there's confidence....

    Kylee was there, redshirting, taking very hard classes but getting well and practicing with both arms....definitely redshirting however.....

    Corryn Douglas moved on due to her schedule.....supposedly no hard feelings, I hope anyway....

    stacy said that she has a friend who Coaches at Stanford and was blown away by the crowd......and that we have a very good team....

    stacy is one very entertaining person....

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    Zag on the Run - Thanks for the CLF update and the information on the Truong twins.

    Sylean, thanks again for the radio show summary. It is always appreciated.

    ZagDad

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    While there are some on this board who dislike Kelly Graves he took the time to congratulate the Lady Zags and CLF on their accomplishment on twitter.

    "A big shoutout to @FortZagWBB @ZagWBB on a huge win vs Stanford on Sunday & now back in Top 25. Well deserved! I’m sure The Kennel was rocking!"

    Thanks KG for keeping up with the Zags.

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