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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    Pre-lim meeting with the town this week, if all goes according to plan.
    Best of luck! I can't wait to taste some of your elixir!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    Pre-lim meeting with the town this week, if all goes according to plan.
    It's probably in here somewhere, but what is the actual municipality you are under?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    It's probably in here somewhere, but what is the actual municipality you are under?
    Will break it down for you.

    NY State... then Suffolk County... then Town of Islip. Now, if the village we are looking at was incorporated... then that would be the lowest level of government (which depending on the village is a good or bad thing). The place we are looking at is NOT in an incorporated village. Original place we were looking at was in the Town of Babylon... which is far less business friendly. They basically scared that landlord off. Note, lowest level of government trumps higher on zoning and etc. Which is why sometimes, depending on the village, it is better or worse.
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    Guy that was supposed to set the meeting up said the town didn't think it would be necessary and building is already zoned to allow for a microbrewery.

    Talked to my business partner... we are ready to move forward. Need to get investors lined up, sign lease, and apply for change of use. Hopefully that will transpire in the next couple of weeks. Also need a new survey of the building. Guy did say it might trigger a site plan review, but expects that it will get waived as the property is literally the building and a backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    Guy that was supposed to set the meeting up said the town didn't think it would be necessary and building is already zoned to allow for a microbrewery.

    Talked to my business partner... we are ready to move forward. Need to get investors lined up, sign lease, and apply for change of use. Hopefully that will transpire in the next couple of weeks. Also need a new survey of the building. Guy did say it might trigger a site plan review, but expects that it will get waived as the property is literally the building and a backyard.
    Nice! You guys could be in business by this fall?

    Are you going to give notice at that point or do double duty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    Nice! You guys could be in business by this fall?

    Are you going to give notice at that point or do double duty?
    Fall may be too quick. Lots of hoops to jump through before we can even swing a hammer. But I am hoping to be open next spring. I mean we may be able to be open sooner but we may end up soft opening and then have grand opening in the spring. As to quitting my job. Nope, plan is to do double duty as long as I possibly can. Much of the work I do can be done anywhere, so I am going to see if I can work out working remotely twice a week so I can brew a couple mornings a week.
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    Just had phone conference with our lawyer. Should have our investor agreement buttoned up early next week. He feels that if we leave the Beer Garden out initially and file for it after we have opened, that it will speed the process. He said, if we leave it off... probably about 8 months to get permits and can begin work.... leave it on and it would add 9 or more months and may not be approved in the end. So we are on track to having a lease signed by the end of the month or so.
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    Spent the evening doing a dry run on the assembly of the plumbing parts on the fermentor. Tomorrow, disassembly and repeat. This brewing thing is making me do the one damn thing I won't touch in my house... plumbing. But we are all about sanitation... so you gotta know how to breakdown clean, sanitize and reassemble. Phish... damn you man... Still finding easter eggs in those canisters. What decade were those adverts from? Late 50s? The kick-ass growler from Deschuttes... The old school Zag finger... Books galore... coasters even... Thanks to you so much!!!

    The wood paddle... homemade or store bought? Beautiful piece either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    Spent the evening doing a dry run on the assembly of the plumbing parts on the fermentor. Tomorrow, disassembly and repeat. This brewing thing is making me do the one damn thing I won't touch in my house... plumbing. But we are all about sanitation... so you gotta know how to breakdown clean, sanitize and reassemble. Phish... damn you man... Still finding easter eggs in those canisters. What decade were those adverts from? Late 50s? The kick-ass growler from Deschuttes... The old school Zag finger... Books galore... coasters even... Thanks to you so much!!!

    The wood paddle... homemade or store bought? Beautiful piece either way.
    Hey man!

    Haven't been on the Foo in a bit, but glad I stopped by today!

    I don't remember where the paddle originated. I received so much good stuff from my mentors and friends at the beginning of my brewing journey, I've still got karmic debt to pay!

    So happy for you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    Will break it down for you.

    NY State... then Suffolk County... then Town of Islip. Now, if the village we are looking at was incorporated... then that would be the lowest level of government (which depending on the village is a good or bad thing). The place we are looking at is NOT in an incorporated village. Original place we were looking at was in the Town of Babylon... which is far less business friendly. They basically scared that landlord off. Note, lowest level of government trumps higher on zoning and etc. Which is why sometimes, depending on the village, it is better or worse.
    You live in one of the nicest areas of the country.

    Do you drive to work or take the train?

    I know they were trying to get the airport going at Islip, did that ever work? Seems like it would be a good little SW hub or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    You live in one of the nicest areas of the country.

    Do you drive to work or take the train?
    I work where mass transit barely exists. Brookville is a very expensive zip code. Plus, the time it would take to take mass transit, I could drive there and be at work for 1/2 hour to an hour. Honestly, on most mornings it is about a 35-40 minute commute in... 45-50 home. Have never figured out why it is so much worse coming home... just is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    I work where mass transit barely exists. Brookville is a very expensive zip code. Plus, the time it would take to take mass transit, I could drive there and be at work for 1/2 hour to an hour. Honestly, on most mornings it is about a 35-40 minute commute in... 45-50 home. Have never figured out why it is so much worse coming home... just is.
    30-45 minutes isn't bad at all. I would kind of like that amount of time to think about the day, gather my thoughts, etc.

    Getting home, I would want to be home in 2 minutes.

    Good luck with all the zoning stuff. It can be maddening. If you have the funds, do hire an attorney who does nothing but local zoning. Zoning is supposed to be like any other law, applied to everyone across the board, clearly written, etc. But depending on the board, it can be cliquish, provincial, all that. You want to be tied-in with someone who is "tied-in" and can get variances, all that, if needed.

    It would be heartbreaking if you did the hard part, develop a beer menu that people want and find popular, but then get tripped up at a late stage.

    I am excited for you. You have worked so hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    30-45 minutes isn't bad at all. I would kind of like that amount of time to think about the day, gather my thoughts, etc.

    Getting home, I would want to be home in 2 minutes.

    Good luck with all the zoning stuff. It can be maddening. If you have the funds, do hire an attorney who does nothing but local zoning. Zoning is supposed to be like any other law, applied to everyone across the board, clearly written, etc. But depending on the board, it can be cliquish, provincial, all that. You want to be tied-in with someone who is "tied-in" and can get variances, all that, if needed.

    It would be heartbreaking if you did the hard part, develop a beer menu that people want and find popular, but then get tripped up at a late stage.

    I am excited for you. You have worked so hard.
    Zoning should be cool. It is part of the current zoning, so they really can't say no to the use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    Zoning should be cool. It is part of the current zoning, so they really can't say no to the use.
    I must have misread the whole post.

    Good for you.
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    So... business plans are in front of investors. Wrapping up lawyer issues and investor agreements hopefully this week or early next week. Need on check in hand and we sign a lease. Then this gets really real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    So... business plans are in front of investors. Wrapping up lawyer issues and investor agreements hopefully this week or early next week. Need on check in hand and we sign a lease. Then this gets really real.
    Dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    So... business plans are in front of investors. Wrapping up lawyer issues and investor agreements hopefully this week or early next week. Need on check in hand and we sign a lease. Then this gets really real.
    Wow. Good luck.
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    OK... know this thread has been dormant for a while. My apologies. We tried to work things out with two of the three investors but couldn't find a middle ground. Ironically, it was their demand of us putting more $$$ in than we already have that pushed us to where we are now. My cousin and I are, along with the third investor, going to self finance via our retirement accounts and some small loans. Ultimately it will allows full control and limited debt (other than to our retirement funds). Sooooo... over the next month or so we are converting to a C corp and rolling over some of our retirement money into the business. Kind of a crazy process, but 100% legal... and largely leaves us with limited debt. If all goes as planned we will be signing a lease for a space in September.
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    Foo me once shame on you, Foo me twice shame on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    So... business plans are in front of investors. Wrapping up lawyer issues and investor agreements hopefully this week or early next week. Need on check in hand and we sign a lease. Then this gets really real.
    Congrats!! That is a huge milestone, could go to either thread.

    Mine is not near as much an accomplishment, but I got on the ground floor on a website we have been growing for a couple years. We are about to offer our most loyal readers - up to 50 of them, a stake in the site, moving to an LLC with us retaining control. It's not as big a deal, but is my passion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gu03alum View Post
    I'll be honest, sometimes I buy beer based on the artwork on the label. I also sometimes choose not to buy if it is poorly done. no pressure
    Im about to make a short road trip to try one area brewerys new Rage Against The Machine-themed Bombtrack IPA and another brewerys Arya Stark-inspired, A Beer Has No Name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongIslandZagFan View Post
    OK... know this thread has been dormant for a while. My apologies. We tried to work things out with two of the three investors but couldn't find a middle ground. Ironically, it was their demand of us putting more $$$ in than we already have that pushed us to where we are now. My cousin and I are, along with the third investor, going to self finance via our retirement accounts and some small loans. Ultimately it will allows full control and limited debt (other than to our retirement funds). Sooooo... over the next month or so we are converting to a C corp and rolling over some of our retirement money into the business. Kind of a crazy process, but 100% legal... and largely leaves us with limited debt. If all goes as planned we will be signing a lease for a space in September.
    I love this! We did something similar on this end to launch the studio. If you're willing to park your money with a bunch of unknown companies, why not invest it in your own! It's a different level of real this way, but I believe it's an important differentiator. You own all of my brewery notes; one of the most sobering points I recorded was that debt kills small breweries.

    You are on the beam.
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    Application for lease has been turned into landlord... first of a few steps... but hoping to put ink on paper before I go out to Spokane. Depends on how quickly we can turn things around with the lawyers and getting paperwork together. We are in the process of converting over to a C corp and already have things in motion to rollover retirement money. Then it is all about dealing with the town, the county, the SLA, and ultimately the TTB... not necessarily in that order. I think we'll have our TTB fairly early on in the process, if only to allow us to contract brew. Our biggest fights are going to be occupancy based on parking with the town and waste water treatment with the county. I think if we are ambitious we might be on a 8-10 month timeline... more realistically, 12 months... but going to hire an expediter to see if we can turn this around as quickly as possible.
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