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    How do Women basketball fans feel about the potential of Transgendered athletes competing against women in basketball?


    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/06/...debate-ensues/

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    Well Zagceo, you certainly know how to raise a controversial topic. Unfortunately, as is way to common on the women's side, lots of views but nobody wants to provide a comment.

    This issue was brought to the main stream media back in 1976 when Renee Richards (formally Richard Raskind) requested to compete in the 1976 US Open as a women. She had competed in the male division (as Richard Raskind) the previous five (5) years. The USTA refused to allow her to compete as a women since they had a "born as a woman" rule. In 1977, the New York supreme court ordered the USTA to allow Renee to compete as a women, which she did from 1977-1981 never getting beyond the 3rd round as a women in singles. She did make it to the women's doubles finals where she lost to Martina Navratilova and Betty Stove.

    More recently, Caster Semenya, a women's track athlete from South Africa has brought the issue back to the forefront of international sports competition. Reportedly, she has tested for elevated levels of testosterone (as high as 3 times the normal woman's level according to some reports). She has claimed that she has had this condition all her life and it is a medical condition. Since she won the 800 meters gold medal last year and the world championships are quickly approaching, many sports federations are calling her out wanting her to take a gender determination test, which South Africa and Caster have refused to take, claiming discrimination. Further complicating this issue is the fact that the head coach of the South African team is Dr Ekkart Arbeit, the former East German coach who was accused by a female athlete of giving her so many anabolic steroids that she was forced to undergo a sex-change operation and live the rest of her life as a man.

    Article Link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ne-levels.html


    As a person who has a relative going through a sexual reassignment (niece to nephew), I understand the issues at hand. However, I disagree with the article you listed that just because a person identifies with the female gender, you should be permitted to participate in the women's/girl's event. If you accept the fact that elevated levels of testosterone are a performance enhancing drug, then allowing a transgendered male to participate in the women's events with elevated levels of testosterone will provide them with a significant performance advantage over how they would perform at a reduced (women's) testosterone level.

    IMO, a transgendered male should not be permitted to participate in women's sports until their testosterone levels are within the normal range of a woman. I realized that drug testing is not typical in high school sports and requiring transgendered individuals to undergo drug testing while others are not required to be tested is certainly discrimination. Maybe drug testing all HS athletes may be required at least at the beginning of the season. Should be simple enough, most athletes need a sport's physical (at least they did in my day) before they can start practice, maybe the should just add drug testing to this requirement. I am sure that the school district's would be required to pay for the drug testing to prevent discrimination against the financially challenged families.

    I just feel that while so many are concerned about the relatively small number of transgendered athletes, what about all of the non-transgendered athletes that are competing against what could be a stacked deck. I have no problem with them competing as long as the playing field is level.

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    I brought this up on another thread....

    if it becomes widespread, it will destroy girls sports....why would we encourage our little 8 yrs to train and practice when they know that kids with male dna, which you can not change, can swoop in and take championships at the end of the season?

    remember, college scholarships have been a huge boon for young women.....even more so then the men, enabling so many more women to get to college and it has been a phenomenal success.....young men, if they had too, can skip college and play baseball or BB overseas, or hockey...women don't have the opportunity, except of course tennis, or golf...(that I know of)

    I think there should be rules.....one must actively be pursuing transgendering and be actively decreasing their testosterone levels if they're going from boy to girl .....and if you're a girl wanting to become a boy, you can't participate in female sports while taking testosterone shots.....perhaps there should be a level of testosterone that is permitted....although in small amounts, women do have some testosterone naturally.



    in pro sports, they can do what they like...I don't have to watch....

    in the Olympics, its pretty much a farce having high testosterone males who are transgendering winning races....which has happend...

    didn't we come down hard on past Russian athletes who obviously have been taking steroids to increase strength?...

    why would this be allowed now?...

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    The latest and greatest concerning South African middle distance runner Caster Semenya. She is taking the International Association of Athletes Federation (IAAF) to court (Court of Arbitration for Sport - CAS) over a female classification rule imposed by the IAAF. The rule imposed by the IAAF would require Semenya to take medication to reduce her naturally produced testosterone levels which the IAAF has determine gives her an unfair advantage.

    Article Link: http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/art...sterone-ruling

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    Over 500 views and only two people (thank you Sylean) could be bothered to give their opinion on this topic.

    So is the lack of responses due to apathy, lack of knowledge (you could always ask questions), fear of opinion being rejected by others. etc?

    It is becoming really hard to want to share information and topics with this board when lots of people appear to want to read the information but few want to share with the rest of the board.

    It makes for a very dull and lifeless board.

    Post a topic your interested in. Comment on a topic. Complain about me (always a favored topic among some posters), just do your part in contributing to the forum. If you even posted one topic a month, the 10-15 regular (somewhat) posters we could have at least 2-3 new topics per week and keep some interest in this board during the long months of summer.

    There is a GU student currently competing in the world championship of climbing. She is the only collegiate student who qualified in the top 5 at nationals in all three disciplines. We have a new women's rowing head coach at Gonzaga. The summer camps are being held, anybody with a child or grandchild going that can provide some info. The WNBA is in full swing. The women's national soccer team is scheduling friendlies in preparation for the qualifying tournaments for the world cup. Heck even ESPN's annual body issue is coming out in the next week or so. Somewhere, there is a women's athletic story that is dying to be shared with the board. Due your part and share it. I really think if you limit this board to GU Wbb, it will eventually die because it is rare that anybody contributes, even a comment let alone a topic. Just share, a topic, an opinion, a consideration, something.

    Nice topic Zagceo, now how about you answering your own question and let us know where you stand.

    The natives are getting restless,

    ZagDad

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    Whoa, throwing down the gauntlet!

    Yeah, I guess it's a fairly controversial subject that I've seen pop up on a few message boards lately and I've shied away from commenting on. At the risk of being insensitive, narrow minded, not "woke" or whatever else, in my mind someone born as one gender has no business competing in athletics as the other gender, ever, regardless of surgeries, hormone therapy, legal status changed, etc. etc. It seems obvious to me but some lines that were once clear have become blurry during my lifetime.

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    Kudos to you for continuing to try to generate conversations on this board. I've gotten in trouble at times for being somewhat Pac 12 centric, a huge no-no for some in this community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seacatfan View Post
    Kudos to you for continuing to try to generate conversations on this board. I've gotten in trouble at times for being somewhat Pac 12 centric, a huge no-no for some in this community.
    Thanks for your contributions SeaCat. I don't think you will get too many hand slaps for being Pac-12 centric on this board, you would be more likely to just get ignored.

    Even if you don't have relatives impacted by the above topic (like Sylean), this topic is going to impact women's (and girl's) sports sooner rather than later. Everybody who supports women's sports should have an opinion on this topic. The next middle school, high school or college women's event you attend (or watch on TV) could be won by a transgendered male and it could be your daughter, granddaughter, cousin. niece, etc. who is on the losing end (my bad and of course the winning end) of this issue.

    ZagDad
    Last edited by ZagDad84; 06-21-2018 at 10:08 PM.

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    Tough call...

    Many issues when talking about transgender and sports. Not only on competition but feelings and thoughts teammates and opponents may have.

    Maybe time will find answers.

    Go Zags!!

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    Okay ZagDad... your thoughts on this topic. Ticket pricing... 25% increase. Still a bargain. Will it impact filling the MAC?

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