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    Heck, Lebron did quite a bit of that this year, picking his spots on defense to conserve energy not only for offense, but for a long season so that he'd be more fresh in the playoffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soccerdud View Post
    one example: trae young this season.
    I did not know Trae Young was instructed to not defend so he could conserve energy for O.
    moreover, that strategy failed miserably if true as teams schemed him silly to take him out of his O; if he was told not to defend, no wonder Oklahoma sucked so bad as their leader became a non factor on both ends of the floor

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    Watched him today against a very average Lake Stevens team......he can shoot for sure....they basically ran spread pick and roll for him all game.......and he doesn’t have much help......there are JV teams in the GSL that could compete with them....

    I really wanted to be all in on this kid as I was excited to see a small town Eastern Washington kid do work at Gonzaga, but unfortunately I think this is a miss.....he’s just not athletic or quick enough for Gonzaga at our current National level......he’s a prototypical old school GU guard......just not what we need now......Norvell is in another league....

    Also, Pangos was better....quicker and stronger.....

    Think Jesse Wade......and the kid will be at EWU after deciding he’d rather play than ride the bench....

    Hope I’m wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoko13 View Post
    Watched him today against a very average Lake Stevens team......he can shoot for sure....they basically ran spread pick and roll for him all game.......and he doesn’t have much help......there are JV teams in the GSL that could compete with them....

    I really wanted to be all in on this kid as I was excited to see a small town Eastern Washington kid do work at Gonzaga, but unfortunately I think this is a miss.....he’s just not athletic or quick enough for Gonzaga at our current National level......he’s a prototypical old school GU guard......just not what we need now......Norvell is in another league....

    Also, Pangos was better....quicker and stronger.....

    Think Jesse Wade......and the kid will be at EWU after deciding he’d rather play than ride the bench....

    Hope I’m wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagaholicPodcast View Post
    Careful. Not drinking the kool aid will get you chastised and ridiculed. Critical thinking is not a virtue in these parts.
    Certainly not trying to offend.....just one man’s honest opinion.......but like I said, I hope I’m wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagaholicPodcast View Post
    Careful. Not drinking the kool aid will get you chastised and ridiculed. Critical thinking is not a virtue in these parts.
    Oh, come on. You call that critical thinking? I call it stereotypical thinking; essentially saying he's a slow, unathletic white kid from a small town ("prototypical old school GU guard').

    I don't like to make evaluations w/o seeing at least a game, if not a couple, but in the absence of that I'll go with what the people who evaluate for a living say. 247 composite says Ravet is 78th in his class. Neither Pangos nor Dickau cracked the consensus top 100. As to the Wade comparison, the 2 year layoff and bad shoulder kind of make that comp moot imo.

    Dickau reportedly is high on Ravet, as is former player Reborn.

    Newby posters with no track record of player evaluation here need to be taken w/ a grain of salt, at least when their evals are negative.

    Btw, one site w/ data of Ravet says he has a 35 inch vert.

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    Well at the least we have a superior shooter. We could do worse I guess. Maybe his D will come along. I don't know if he's a front liner but everyone's agreed he's good for some points. He's got another year of HS to develop. We'll see how he does. Piling up points in short spurts is desireable!! defense wins games and championships. Points do too. My always strong preference is D. But a sharpshooter helps..

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    Not sure why we have to have such division with a recruit. Enjoy the process and see where it goes...too many on this board want to be bold and predict a players success before coming on campus. I have no idea how successful he will be as it largely will depend on what’s between his ears but I do see a kid who can shoot, drive, dish, has decent size and lots of room to fill out. And isn’t his dad a coach? So many pros versus cons, yet so many naysayers for the sake of naysaying.

    Go Brock go!
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    CJM I agree. Go zags

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g krebs View Post
    Oh, come on. You call that critical thinking? I call it stereotypical thinking; essentially saying he's a slow, unathletic white kid from a small town ("prototypical old school GU guard').

    I don't like to make evaluations w/o seeing at least a game, if not a couple, but in the absence of that I'll go with what the people who evaluate for a living say. 247 composite says Ravet is 78th in his class. Neither Pangos nor Dickau cracked the consensus top 100. As to the Wade comparison, the 2 year layoff and bad shoulder kind of make that comp moot imo.

    Dickau reportedly is high on Ravet, as is former player Reborn.

    Newby posters with no track record of player evaluation here need to be taken w/ a grain of salt, at least when their evals are negative.

    Btw, one site w/ data of Ravet says he has a 35 inch vert.

    The newbie can respect all of that except the stereotype part but I’ll let that pass without further comment.........the kid has the early accolades for sure.......I want to be a believer and hope I’m wrong......kid can definitely shoot though......BTW - only a 35 inch very in ideal conditions IMO.....nothing I saw would indicate anything
    close to that. Who knows, maybe today will be different!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoko13 View Post
    Watched him today against a very average Lake Stevens team......he can shoot for sure....they basically ran spread pick and roll for him all game.......and he doesn’t have much help......there are JV teams in the GSL that could compete with them....

    I really wanted to be all in on this kid as I was excited to see a small town Eastern Washington kid do work at Gonzaga, but unfortunately I think this is a miss.....he’s just not athletic or quick enough for Gonzaga at our current National level......he’s a prototypical old school GU guard......just not what we need now......Norvell is in another league....

    Also, Pangos was better....quicker and stronger.....

    Think Jesse Wade......and the kid will be at EWU after deciding he’d rather play than ride the bench....

    Hope I’m wrong
    This screams troll to me and/or a veteran poster creating a new username to get something off their chest....hmmm...

    Not buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoko13 View Post
    The newbie can respect all of that except the stereotype part but I’ll let that pass without further comment.........the kid has the early accolades for sure.......I want to be a believer and hope I’m wrong......kid can definitely shoot though......BTW - only a 35 inch very in ideal conditions IMO.....nothing I saw would indicate anything
    close to that. Who knows, maybe today will be different!!
    nice response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoko13 View Post
    Watched him today against a very average Lake Stevens team......he can shoot for sure....they basically ran spread pick and roll for him all game.......and he doesn’t have much help......there are JV teams in the GSL that could compete with them....

    I really wanted to be all in on this kid as I was excited to see a small town Eastern Washington kid do work at Gonzaga, but unfortunately I think this is a miss.....he’s just not athletic or quick enough for Gonzaga at our current National level......he’s a prototypical old school GU guard......just not what we need now......Norvell is in another league....

    Also, Pangos was better....quicker and stronger.....

    Think Jesse Wade......and the kid will be at EWU after deciding he’d rather play than ride the bench....

    Hope I’m wrong
    Your post is very interesting. I usually enjoy posts that have a different perspective, and posters who have their own ideas. But your post, in my opinion, goes to far and you seem to have a need to bash him, which I don't like. He's a Zag, and he hasn't even put on a Zag uni and yo're already bashing him. I'm really surprised that you saw him play.

    Please watch the video that Zag Native posted. I seriously doubt that you've seen him play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raise the zag View Post
    This screams troll to me and/or a veteran poster creating a new username to get something off their chest....hmmm...

    Not buying it.
    My trolldar was beeping too.
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    Critical = troll

    Praise = kool aide

    these are considered personal attacks IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    Your post is very interesting. I usually enjoy posts that have a different perspective, and posters who have their own ideas. But your post, in my opinion, goes to far and you seem to have a need to bash him, which I don't like. He's a Zag, and he hasn't even put on a Zag uni and yo're already bashing him. I'm really surprised that you saw him play.

    Please watch the video that Zag Native posted. I seriously doubt that you've seen him play.
    sorry reborn but I watched the video and what I noticed....all the other players. Could have been one off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonzagasaurusFlex View Post
    My trolldar was beeping too.
    I've seen him play. Peeps not commenting on his ball control or passing....both are very good and his shot is well documented. His D needs improvement, but is better than advertised. He'll do great things at GU. He has a floater that he doesn't use much but when he does it is impressive. I haven't seen it in the videos but that floater is deadly, however, he'll need some more upper body mass to get that one off at GU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EEzag View Post
    I've seen him play. Peeps not commenting on his ball control or passing....both are very good and his shot is well documented. His D needs improvement, but is better than advertised. He'll do great things at GU. He has a floater that he doesn't use much but when he does it is impressive. I haven't seen it in the videos but that floater is deadly, however, he'll need some more upper body mass to get that one off at GU.
    good info

    thats how to respond

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    Quote Originally Posted by EEzag View Post
    I've seen him play. Peeps not commenting on his ball control or passing....both are very good and his shot is well documented. His D needs improvement, but is better than advertised. He'll do great things at GU. He has a floater that he doesn't use much but when he does it is impressive. I haven't seen it in the videos but that floater is deadly, however, he'll need some more upper body mass to get that one off at GU.
    That's a real good post. Thanks. I know you have it in you.

    this post was meant to the poster from Spokane Spoko. Sorry.
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    in case you missed these older video




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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn View Post
    That's a real good post. Thanks. I know you have it in you.
    ?I didn't before?

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    Call me a troll if you want.....been in Spokane since 95.....and been a huge Zag fan since 98 or so. I confess I didn't really know much about Gonzaga or their basketball program when I moved to Spokane, until they started making headlines beating someone top 5 up in Alaska......and then after the Calvary tip in I was hooked..

    As for watching him, yes, I did......team camp II was this week --- lots of opportunities this week to see him and Anton and Banchero from O'dea among others (Banchero hurt his ankle this afternoon) this week --- heck even saw Brandon Clarke referring a couple games..........there is no admittance fee....schedule posted on the wall in the new facility........you could have walked in and watched any game you wanted from Kittitas to the Billings, MT freshman squad if that floats your boat......

    I have also seen him in person with WA Supreme in Bellevue......I was actually more impressed with him on the AAU circuit because I thought that he looked like he belonged on the floor against a much higher level of competition. I've seen a lot of these guys up close --- they are freak athletes for the most part - just different kinds of dudes.........against whomever he played (and they weren't good) he just didn't look "different" while watching that whole game.......

    Bottom line, hope I'm wrong and I'm rooting for the kid to prove the doubters wrong (heck, I'm one of those who didn't think Curry was going to be anything more than a stand in the corner 3 pt specialist in the NBA!!) .....I didn't get to see Ravet play after that and maybe he was crazy good in those other games and would have blown me away. My post was just one guys view from one game........take it with a grain of salt........


    ***I was thinking as well that perhaps the Zags are wary of missing out on another kid from small-town Eastern WA that they didn't think was good enough for Gonzaga (Joe Harris) and they are determined not to make that mistake again.......wouldn't that be something if he develops like Mr. Harris did!!!

    Go Zags!

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    Spoko you are probably wrong....I think he will end up playing at Central …..rather than Eastern....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoko13 View Post
    Call me a troll if you want.....been in Spokane since 95.....and been a huge Zag fan since 98 or so. I confess I didn't really know much about Gonzaga or their basketball program when I moved to Spokane, until they started making headlines beating someone top 5 up in Alaska......and then after the Calvary tip in I was hooked..

    As for watching him, yes, I did......team camp II was this week --- lots of opportunities this week to see him and Anton and Banchero from O'dea among others (Banchero hurt his ankle this afternoon) this week --- heck even saw Brandon Clarke referring a couple games..........there is no admittance fee....schedule posted on the wall in the new facility........you could have walked in and watched any game you wanted from Kittitas to the Billings, MT freshman squad if that floats your boat......

    I have also seen him in person with WA Supreme in Bellevue......I was actually more impressed with him on the AAU circuit because I thought that he looked like he belonged on the floor against a much higher level of competition. I've seen a lot of these guys up close --- they are freak athletes for the most part - just different kinds of dudes.........against whomever he played (and they weren't good) he just didn't look "different" while watching that whole game.......

    Bottom line, hope I'm wrong and I'm rooting for the kid to prove the doubters wrong (heck, I'm one of those who didn't think Curry was going to be anything more than a stand in the corner 3 pt specialist in the NBA!!) .....I didn't get to see Ravet play after that and maybe he was crazy good in those other games and would have blown me away. My post was just one guys view from one game........take it with a grain of salt........


    ***I was thinking as well that perhaps the Zags are wary of missing out on another kid from small-town Eastern WA that they didn't think was good enough for Gonzaga (Joe Harris) and they are determined not to make that mistake again.......wouldn't that be something if he develops like Mr. Harris did!!!

    Go Zags!
    So you admit that he played well against top AAU kids but average against average competition? Couldn't that simply be a case of playing down to the level of your competition? I know of a certain national powerhouse that went to overtime at home vs North Dakota last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoko13 View Post
    Call me a troll if you want.....been in Spokane since 95.....and been a huge Zag fan since 98 or so. I confess I didn't really know much about Gonzaga or their basketball program when I moved to Spokane, until they started making headlines beating someone top 5 up in Alaska......and then after the Calvary tip in I was hooked..

    As for watching him, yes, I did......team camp II was this week --- lots of opportunities this week to see him and Anton and Banchero from O'dea among others (Banchero hurt his ankle this afternoon) this week --- heck even saw Brandon Clarke referring a couple games..........there is no admittance fee....schedule posted on the wall in the new facility........you could have walked in and watched any game you wanted from Kittitas to the Billings, MT freshman squad if that floats your boat......

    I have also seen him in person with WA Supreme in Bellevue......I was actually more impressed with him on the AAU circuit because I thought that he looked like he belonged on the floor against a much higher level of competition. I've seen a lot of these guys up close --- they are freak athletes for the most part - just different kinds of dudes.........against whomever he played (and they weren't good) he just didn't look "different" while watching that whole game.......

    Bottom line, hope I'm wrong and I'm rooting for the kid to prove the doubters wrong (heck, I'm one of those who didn't think Curry was going to be anything more than a stand in the corner 3 pt specialist in the NBA!!) .....I didn't get to see Ravet play after that and maybe he was crazy good in those other games and would have blown me away. My post was just one guys view from one game........take it with a grain of salt........


    ***I was thinking as well that perhaps the Zags are wary of missing out on another kid from small-town Eastern WA that they didn't think was good enough for Gonzaga (Joe Harris) and they are determined not to make that mistake again.......wouldn't that be something if he develops like Mr. Harris did!!!

    Go Zags!
    some of us wouldn't be surprised at all.

    Go Zags!!!
    Go Zags!!! The Best Is Yet To Come!!!

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