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    Default What does the WCC need to do?

    I will start:

    1. Allowcate NCCA conference winnings based on RPI or a quadrant system. Reward what gets the conference bids. Reward performance penalize under achievement.

    2. Only contribute for 200+ rpi Occ home opponents.

    3. Add a school like SMU ask a school to leave if their Rpi falls below 300 for multiple years.


    4. Allocate TV earnings based on ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outraged View Post
    I will start:

    1. Allowcate NCCA conference winnings based on RPI or a quadrant system. Reward what gets the conference bids. Reward performance penalize under achievement.

    2. Only contribute for 200+ rpi Occ home opponents.

    3. Add a school like SMU ask a school to leave if their Rpi falls below 300 for multiple years.


    4. Allocate TV earnings based on ratings.
    Those are your starting points?

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    Yes, those are my starting points. I think the WCC could be a consistent three bid conference if it was managed better.

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    Outraged, I don't believe that there is anything the "WCC" can do to improve men's basketball in the conference.

    I've pointed out in a couple of different threads and have provided proof that there is no lack of financial resources in any of the WCC schools with the possible exception of UP. In terms of endowment size, Gonzaga is 8th or 9th out of the 10 conference schools.

    What it boils down to is the individual schools deciding that athletics or MBB are priorities and putting resources towards the improvement.

    I have read that that is exactly what USF is doing. I have been told that SCU is doing the same. We have no worries with BYU and resources for athletics. I'm not sure on most of the rest although I have a suspicion that LMU and Pepperdine, 2 schools that are $$Loaded, have no interest in athletics.

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    ESPN is not going to renew its broadcast rights agreement with the WCC. There is nothing the WCC can do about that. Once ESPN goes away, and if GU stays in the WCC, they need to strengthen their relationships with Root Sports and KHQ to keep as many GU games on Spokane and Pacific NW regional television as possible. ESPN will sign a new comprehensive agreement with the MWC for basketball broadcasts IF GU joins MWC, but as others have noted the MWC is not perfect, so maybe GU sits tight in the WCC, goes with regional-only television coverage for a few years, and waits for some sort of link with a new division of an Eastern league in 4 or 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Zag View Post
    ESPN is not going to renew its broadcast rights agreement with the WCC.
    Is this speculation on your part or did I miss a press release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Zag View Post
    ESPN is not going to renew its broadcast rights agreement with the WCC. There is nothing the WCC can do about that. Once ESPN goes away, and if GU stays in the WCC, they need to strengthen their relationships with Root Sports and KHQ to keep as many GU games on Spokane and Pacific NW regional television as possible. ESPN will sign a new comprehensive agreement with the MWC for basketball broadcasts IF GU joins MWC, but as others have noted the MWC is not perfect, so maybe GU sits tight in the WCC, goes with regional-only television coverage for a few years, and waits for some sort of link with a new division of an Eastern league in 4 or 5 years.

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    Other than Few leaving this would be the worst possible thing to happen to the program.

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    Try to replace Gonzaga and BYU with Grand Canyon and Denver. Two private schools without football that are looking to leave their current conferences

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    Is this speculation on your part or did I miss a press release?
    No, and No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Zag View Post
    No, and No.

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    Ok. Inside track. Good for you and thanks for sharing a tidbit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Zag View Post
    ESPN is not going to renew its broadcast rights agreement with the WCC. There is nothing the WCC can do about that. Once ESPN goes away, and if GU stays in the WCC, they need to strengthen their relationships with Root Sports and KHQ to keep as many GU games on Spokane and Pacific NW regional television as possible. ESPN will sign a new comprehensive agreement with the MWC for basketball broadcasts IF GU joins MWC, but as others have noted the MWC is not perfect, so maybe GU sits tight in the WCC, goes with regional-only television coverage for a few years, and waits for some sort of link with a new division of an Eastern league in 4 or 5 years.

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    They have to go back to being the California League and forget any notion that they are ever going to be anything but a low mid major with a automatic bid....they need to get real and accept the fact that they cannot compete with the PAC and the Professional Teams for fan support....and I think they know that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    They have to go back to being the California League and forget any notion that they are ever going to be anything but a low mid major with a automatic bid....they need to get real and accept the fact that they cannot compete with the PAC and the Professional Teams for fan support....and I think they know that...
    Perhaps the WCC could contract and cut off those schools that have the wherewithal but not the desire to invest in athletics. If the cut LMU and Pepperdine, it would be a statement.
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    It makes no financial sense for the teams in WCC to invest in a top 30 program...none....a waste of money...... they cannot compete with the Warriors....the Clippers....the Lakers....or even Stanford, UCLA, Cal, SC.....

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    if the WCC dropped the bottom 6 teams, it would improve dramatically!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    It makes no financial sense for the teams in WCC to invest in a top 30 program...none....a waste of money...... they cannot compete with the Warriors....the Clippers....the Lakers....or even Stanford, UCLA, Cal, SC.....
    I think on a short term projected balance sheet, you're 100% correct. But, I don't believe the folks at USF and SCU who are going forward with investments in athletics are stupid so they must see some light at the end of the tunnel.

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    I am positive they are not stupid....they see the opportunities and limitations of their circumstances and will invest appropriately....it is just my judgement that won't reach the level of a top 30 program....they are not in a tunnel...they are basking is the winter sun in the Bay Area ........and as Mr.Few has said......will do what is right for their programs.......

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    1) I think the WCC ESPN contract goes through 2018/2019. It was an 8 or 10 year extension.
    2) I thought ESPN liked the WCC because they need a) Thursday and Saturday games and b) because the West Coast times gives them a late night East Coast fill-in ?
    3) Some here are saying emphatically that If GU leaves, ESPN won't want the WCC contract. That may be 100% correct. It seems though like I see even lower RPI rated conferences with ESPN contracts. I may be wrong.

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    The biggest issue with ESPN is that they've been struggling financially, and cutting back on spending, including things like contracts for lower level slots, which I imagine the WCC would count as. Now, they might pay just to keep Gonzaga, but due to changes in the market in the last 5-10 years, I wouldn't be shocked to see them drop the WCC, which would be terrible for us.
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    A short read about ESPN with some facts that everyone should know. Remember, ESPN still needs content. Not mentioned in the article is how much bleeding is the result of ESPN's NFL Football contract. Did you know that if you have an ESPN bundled service that you are paying over $21 a year for NFL Football whether you watch it or not?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-...ribers-2017-12

    As Dan Le Batard recently noted, "ESPN is not losing money... The difference between making a grotesque amount of money and then making a slightly less grotesque amount of money is not the same as failing."
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    Something else to chew on.
    From 2016 (most recent I could google) here are the college basketball value rankings.

    "The valuations of 176 major college basketball programs based on what each would be worth on the open market, based on revenues, expenses and other factors."

    39) Gonzaga 57.962M

    61 SDSU 37.871M
    75 UNM 31.249M
    83 UNLV 26.947M
    84 *BYU 26.135M*
    89 Nev 24.281M
    94 BSU 19.805M
    96 CSU 18.370M
    97 Wyo 17.530M
    100 USU 16.951M
    107 Fres 14.592M
    148 SJSU 8.171M

    Neither Air Force nor any other WCC team made the list of the top 176. 8 of the 10 MWC teams fall in between 75 and 100. I was surprised at BYU's rank.

    Interestingly, only 4 private schools rank ahead of GU, (Syracuse, Duke, Xavier, and Marquette)
    I'm not sure what any of this means, just found it a way to compare.
    source: https://graphics.wsj.com/table/COUNT_0330
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    As 75 said, I dont beleive the WCC (even with Gonzaga) will be getting a new ESPN deal. I think there are other potential suitors like CBS sports, Facebook/Stadium, Fox Sports, etc.

    The move to the MWC is a formality at this point, as Mike Roth and Mark Few have said, "We will do whats best for Gonzaga". Staying in the WCC without access to ESPN is not whats best for Gonzaga. Staying in the WCC without the chance to continue to grow revenue to fulfill our Universities mission statement is not whats best for Gonzaga. The MWC, while not the golden goose, stands to be our best bet at staying relevant going forward. I dont believe moving to the MWC would stop us from continuing to reach out to larger conferences in the event that one day those opportunities will present themselves.

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    I'll give what I would find acceptable for the WCC, in order for me to want to say:

    1. Cut all revenue sharing. If there are several schools that are higher on the wealth totem pole, they don't need our revenue from winning. Especially when they are not committed to winning.
    2. Cut the bottom 4 or 5 teams from the conference, and have teams that are either higher in RPI, or are spending like that kind of program.
    3. Go to a pod scheduling system that allows for more OOC games.
    4. Make it mandatory that all schools will compete in season tournament prior to conference play, and must schedule to a certain level of Quadrant/RPI/Kenpom/Sagarin etc..
    5. All schools must commit a certain level of funding to basketball or pay a fine.

    Pretty straight forward. Otherwise, Reece's Pieces, kids. Time for the MWC. Which needs new branding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezag View Post
    if the WCC dropped the bottom 6 teams, it would improve dramatically!
    Which bottom 6? It's a different 6 every year.
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    I think Gonzaga has worn out it's welcome in the WCC and only has one choice..... the Mountain West..... and has lost all leverage with them as they have no alternative...

    The worse case is that they will lose millions in earned units and have to play a lame duck season in the WCC...

    The whole thing has been a disaster from the start..... from hiring a consultant with questionable character and objectivity.... to negotiating in the media.

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