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    I want to see one of our lesser advantages come to the forefront. Everyone on the floor, (except maybe Larsen) can push the pace and get up the floor after made shots/steals/def rebounds. Their 3/4 court pressure takes minutes off the clock and kills momentum. We need to have their guards running back on D to get their bigs in foul trouble and force their bench to play. We have to have their shot blocker in foul trouble. Tillie, JW3, and Rui can do this for us.

    TL;DR Don't let their defense set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballzag View Post
    Gonzaga gets UNCG's big man James Dickey (6'10 200) into foul trouble and the game gets ugly from there. If Gonzaga can pin 4 fouls on him then the game is over. He is their COG and when he is taken out the team folds quickly because they don't have any other reliable bigs.
    I think we should take up a collection and buy the kid a few day's worth of sandwiches. That is just frail. That makes Killian look like the Hulk. J3 and KT gonna have a field day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsmoove View Post
    Why did you leave out the most important video....their 2017-2018 Season Hype video...is this a music video from 2005? This is both brilliant marketing for future prospects and just so over the top it's ridiculous. Fast and the Furious - Greensboro. Good for them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBosiICfLTQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishzag_09 View Post
    Why did you leave out the most important video....their 2017-2018 Season Hype video...is this a music video from 2005? This is both brilliant marketing for future prospects and just so over the top it's ridiculous. Fast and the Furious - Greensboro. Good for them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBosiICfLTQ
    remake of "American Graffiti"...Greensboro the new Modesto

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishzag_09 View Post
    Why did you leave out the most important video....their 2017-2018 Season Hype video...is this a music video from 2005? This is both brilliant marketing for future prospects and just so over the top it's ridiculous. Fast and the Furious - Greensboro. Good for them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBosiICfLTQ
    That was just weird

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    zags 72
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    GU 75-60. I hope that we run them ragged. If they want to slow things down, fast break everything and wear them down on defense. Zags will be ready.

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    This game terrifies me.

    Just from looking at UNCG's statistical profile, they force turnovers and make 3s. So basically their strengths align with GU's weaknesses. That strikes me as a recipe for a tense Thursday morning.

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    61-61 after regulation. Jeremy Jones wins it on a put back in OT. GU escapes 70-69.

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    a team with a 'nothing to lose' mentality is a dangerous team.

    they will dribble-drive hard to the hoop, shoot at will, sacrifice fouls, or risk getting called for fouls to turn us over, or slow us down. How will they call this game? Tight or let it slide? UNCG physical defense, and gambles on defense, often.

    intensity will be thru the roof. will we match theirs?

    they force a ton of TO's, force nearly 16 per game. Stingy press, along with 1-2-2 half-court. They shot 300 more 3's than SMC did. 4 of their 5 starters shoot them.

    Tough match-up. Tough game awaits.

    66-60, we pull away in final 2 mins, due solely to their foul issues.

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    25-point win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach Crazy View Post
    25-point win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach Crazy View Post
    25-point win.


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    Ha ha, short, sweet and to the point, love it! So much paralysis by overanalysis in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    Ha ha, short, sweet and to the point, love it! So much paralysis by overanalysis in this thread.
    Their guards can't stay in front of someone, and their lead post player is 6-10 200 lbs. If they can put up bombs from deep, then it could a long day for us...but if that's what it would take for my team to lose, I'll take it. As well, they don't close out on 3's well, and they aren't sharp in their off-ball movement.

    It really depends on which version of GU shows up...but I'll keep it at 25-point win.

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    Hey Guys,

    Just thought I would stop by to offer a basic scouting report since UNCG is in my neck of the woods...

    1. They are coached by former Roy Williams player Wes Miller, and follow a lot of UNC’s principles on offense and defense.
    2. One difference is they like to full court and 3/4 court press their opponents, and they thrive on creating turnovers. Much Like Wes Miller when he played, their guards are surprisingly quick, very active, and they don’t tire out easily.

    If you can handle a press fine, this shouldn’t be a concern. However, they took it to UNC with their tough D in a pre-season mini-game of 20 Minutes to the tune of 32-24 as the final score. It’s kind of embarrassing they beat us, but it was a preseason mini game and we have had issues playing down to competition this year.

    3. They are unusually tall and capable of guarding the post for a double digit autobid tourney team. They have stopped several good bigs on multiple teams. That said, I think Gonzaga has a way better inside team than anyone they have faced.
    4. They can be streaky from deep, but when they are on, they can really light it up from downtown. Part of the key is guarding Francis Alonso who is a tremendous three point shooter. His speciality is moving without the ball and curling around screens, etc., to get an open look from a teammate’s pass. If the three point shot is not there, he is one of those guards who puts his head down and drives to the hoop seeking out contact. He likes to get the other team’s bigs in foul trouble. Last year, I recall Gonzaga doing a terrific job stopping this curling action when UNC used it with Justin Jackson, so it may be this isn’t something the Zags will struggle with against UNCG.

    If the game was OSU vs. UNCG, I would have picked UNCG for the upset.. However, this is Gonzaga. Even though you are a four seed, you are arguably the best team in the West bracket. Since they played so well for a half against UNC, I expect a close game at first, but for Gonzaga to pull away sometime in the second half for a comfortable (10+ Point) win en route to at least in an elite eight run in this year’s tourney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach Crazy View Post
    Their guards can't stay in front of someone, and their lead post player is 6-10 200 lbs. If they can put up bombs from deep, then it could a long day for us...but if that's what it would take for my team to lose, I'll take it. As well, they don't close out on 3's well, and they aren't sharp in their off-ball movement.

    It really depends on which version of GU shows up...but I'll keep it at 25-point win.
    I respect ya, Coach, yet this post tell me you have not watched their game tape.

    Their tallest post player is 6'10", 200 lbs, and best defender/shot blocker/rebounder, yet their 'lead' post player is 6'9", 250lbs. A good 3pt shooter too, mixes it up inside and outside.

    Also, they run a 1-2-2 IF you break their press, as their press creates around 5 TO's per game, and they create nearly 16 TO's.

    Their guards don't always keep in front, b/c their defense is designed to "funnel" player to their wings and bigs. Once they pack it in, they collapse on the dribble-drive. Or allow Dickey to "hunt" and "spy" them. He blocks nearly everything that comes his way.

    As mentioned before UNCG picks their poison. They literally don't defend a player to allow this to occur. My guess is they won't really defend Silas. They will gamble on one guy, freeing up a defender to 'help' on every possession. No one is allowed to drive to the hoop in their offense.

    Additionally, they extend their guards way out to defend the 3, another reason players get past them. Gonzaga does nearly the opposite. Although, you have to chase Alonso or he will hunt his 3pt shot all. game. long., yet that's another topic/discussion. Most teams face-guard him.

    UNCG's worst loss was 12 pts. Every game is close. Win or lose. They have held (6) teams to 50 pts or under. We have done that 1 time.

    They press. As much as they can get away with. We haven't done great at breaking any one this entire season. Makes zero sense, I know, given the fact every one of our bigs can handle the ball. Rui should be a press break by himself. A major flaw in our system, imho, esp a year we should destroy presses.

    Their press and unique defense frustrates teams. Slows down every offensive possession. A team must be clinical, precise, and patient, unless they break the press to begin with (I'm hoping we can do).

    Add to it, they have a slow, deliberate offensive tempo as well. Utilize the entire shot clock, and find ways to shoot a 3. Very USD like, but unlike Torreros, they also rebound and clean up long rebounds. To reset the clock.

    The combination b/w pressing, a unique defensive half-court formation (type of swarming zone), a slow tempo leading to 3's, really take opponents out of their rhythm, game, and flow. Forcing 1 on 1 ball most times.

    We have the talent to overcome this, yet will be up to the guards and bigs to keep moving without the ball, cutting, finding the man they leave open on defense (Silas? Kispert?), and break the press. Sending one guy to help is ridiculous. I understand we want our bigs to post hard and post early, we need to get Tillie and Rui in the middle and force it down their throats with them on the press. Forcing their defenders to defend.

    Also to add, they play very "handsy" on defense. They gamble, take risky fouls. UNCG wants the refs to make a decision on every defensive play -- nearly the exact opposite of us. Similar to how BYU plays "physical". They will grab, push, pull, and body people up. Go for the block on every shot, etc. Not dirty, just annoying....AND that is after they press you, and AFTER they swarm you.

    A 25 pt win would require us probably scoring 85 or so, which would be an incredible feat. It would mean they were forced to abandon their press, break down their 1-2-2, get their big in foul trouble, and speed them up on offense...but just hard to have enough possessions to score that many points.

    Trust me, given their style of play on BOTH ends, a 10 or 12 pt win is a 25 pt win vs most teams. A double digit win is a blow-out. They play hard too. Limit possessions, dictate pace, and force teams to guard for entire shot clock, and use the entire shot clock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach Crazy View Post
    Their guards can't stay in front of someone, and their lead post player is 6-10 200 lbs. If they can put up bombs from deep, then it could a long day for us...but if that's what it would take for my team to lose, I'll take it. As well, they don't close out on 3's well, and they aren't sharp in their off-ball movement.

    It really depends on which version of GU shows up...but I'll keep it at 25-point win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raise the zag View Post
    I respect ya, Coach, yet this post tell me you have not watched their game tape.

    Their tallest post player is 6'10", 200 lbs, and best defender/shot blocker/rebounder, yet their 'lead' post player is 6'9", 250lbs. A good 3pt shooter too, mixes it up inside and outside.

    Also, they run a 1-2-2 IF you break their press, as their press creates around 5 TO's per game, and they create nearly 16 TO's.

    Their guards don't always keep in front, b/c their defense is designed to "funnel" player to their wings and bigs. Once they pack it in, they collapse on the dribble-drive. Or allow Dickey to "hunt" and "spy" them. He blocks nearly everything that comes his way.

    As mentioned before UNCG picks their poison. They literally don't defend a player to allow this to occur. My guess is they won't really defend Silas. They will gamble on one guy, freeing up a defender to 'help' on every possession. No one is allowed to drive to the hoop in their offense.

    Additionally, they extend their guards way out to defend the 3, another reason players get past them. Gonzaga does nearly the opposite. Although, you have to chase Alonso or he will hunt his 3pt shot all. game. long., yet that's another topic/discussion. Most teams face-guard him.

    UNCG's worst loss was 12 pts. Every game is close. Win or lose. They have held (6) teams to 50 pts or under. We have done that 1 time.

    They press. As much as they can get away with. We haven't done great at breaking any one this entire season. Makes zero sense, I know, given the fact every one of our bigs can handle the ball. Rui should be a press break by himself. A major flaw in our system, imho, esp a year we should destroy presses.

    Their press and unique defense frustrates teams. Slows down every offensive possession. A team must be clinical, precise, and patient, unless they break the press to begin with (I'm hoping we can do).

    Add to it, they have a slow, deliberate offensive tempo as well. Utilize the entire shot clock, and find ways to shoot a 3. Very USD like, but unlike Torreros, they also rebound and clean up long rebounds. To reset the clock.

    The combination b/w pressing, a unique defensive half-court formation (type of swarming zone), a slow tempo leading to 3's, really take opponents out of their rhythm, game, and flow. Forcing 1 on 1 ball most times.

    We have the talent to overcome this, yet will be up to the guards and bigs to keep moving without the ball, cutting, finding the man they leave open on defense (Silas? Kispert?), and break the press. Sending one guy to help is ridiculous. I understand we want our bigs to post hard and post early, we need to get Tillie and Rui in the middle and force it down their throats with them on the press. Forcing their defenders to defend.

    Also to add, they play very "handsy" on defense. They gamble, take risky fouls. UNCG wants the refs to make a decision on every defensive play -- nearly the exact opposite of us. Similar to how BYU plays "physical". They will grab, push, pull, and body people up. Go for the block on every shot, etc. Not dirty, just annoying....AND that is after they press you, and AFTER they swarm you.

    A 25 pt win would require us probably scoring 85 or so, which would be an incredible feat. It would mean they were forced to abandon their press, break down their 1-2-2, get their big in foul trouble, and speed them up on offense...but just hard to have enough possessions to score that many points.

    Trust me, given their style of play on BOTH ends, a 10 or 12 pt win is a 25 pt win vs most teams. A double digit win is a blow-out. They play hard too. Limit possessions, dictate pace, and force teams to guard for entire shot clock, and use the entire shot clock.
    he said LEAD post player which is Dickey

    Kuiper you are referring to is a 34% three ball shooter going 6-19 last 5 games

    Wont be able to funnell and let Dickey "roam"....we will eat that up with our good big passing.....we are way to good of a passing team and have attacking guards (Norvell comes to mind) to allow this type of half court defense to impact our ability to score consistently

    physical play especially out front will get them in trouble

    IF You break the press.....if they are only creating 5 turnovers a game on their press that is not exactly high octane pressing...we will break the press and PUNISH them with finishes to the point that they will move to an occasional press not full time is my prediction after watching them

    agree 25 point is little much IMO....I give it about a 12-15 point game
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanSmithForever View Post

    If you can handle a press fine, this shouldn’t be a concern. However, they took it to UNC with their tough D in a pre-season mini-game of 20 Minutes to the tune of 32-24 as the final score. It’s kind of embarrassing they beat us, but it was a preseason mini game and we have had issues playing down to competition this year.

    3. They are unusually tall and capable of guarding the post for a double digit autobid tourney team.
    Excellent post, DSF. Thank you for the insight and share.

    Greeeaaattttt....

    So UNCG beat UNC in an exhibition, played #1 Virginia tight, beat NC State (who in turn beat Duke, UNC, Zona, et al, and went 11-7 in ACC), nearly [should have] beat Wake Forest (Wake shot 32 FT's & 57% from 3 to escape by 5), and feature legit bigs down low who were All-Conference. No 13 seed have three bigs over 6'9".

    Not to mention, they press all game. Any team that has pressed us, mostly towards the end of game or attempting a comeback, have done so with success. Game tape.

    Let's also note they have 2 guards who both shot over 200 3's. Collectively made 40%, and our 3pt defense is, well, isn't our strong suit.

    And the (4) teams who slowed it down vs us this season, played tempo, and used up shot clock, played tough D, well....2 of them beat us, and the other 2 came within single digits.

    Oh man.

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    The Zag staff have few peers when it comes to preparing the team for a game. I'll never forget Zach Collins' quote after the Arizona game last year. Paraphrased, Zach said there were no surprises, they knew exactly what Arizona was going to do.

    As long as we stay away from "hero ball", we'll be fine. With the exception of a couple of Zach's 3 point bombs early in the shot clock, every 3 point attempt was taken within the flow of the game. Zags are adept at making that "extra pass", and the top 7 in the rotation have gotten 95% of the minutes over the past 4-6 games. Zach and Corey are no longer wide eyed freshman, but assassins on the court.

    This game will be an extension of Vegas, business as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshzagit View Post
    Excellent post, DSF. Thank you for the insight and share.

    Greeeaaattttt....

    So UNCG beat UNC in an exhibition, played #1 Virginia tight, beat NC State (who in turn beat Duke, UNC, Zona, et al, and went 11-7 in ACC), nearly [should have] beat Wake Forest (Wake shot 32 FT's & 57% from 3 to escape by 5), and feature legit bigs down low who were All-Conference. No 13 seed have three bigs over 6'9".

    Not to mention, they press all game. Any team that has pressed us, mostly towards the end of game or attempting a comeback, have done so with success. Game tape.

    Let's also note they have 2 guards who both shot over 200 3's. Collectively made 40%, and our 3pt defense is, well, isn't our strong suit.

    And the (4) teams who slowed it down vs us this season, played tempo, and used up shot clock, played tough D, well....2 of them beat us, and the other 2 came within single digits.

    Oh man.

    Hey, I'm not Vegas, but this has upset written all over it.

    You may sense sarcasm, yet no one is smiling here.
    they didnt play Virginia tight....not sure where this myth is coming from...it was 6 point lead for first 8 minutes, 9 at half and a double digit lead the entire second half and as much as 19 points at one point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshzagit View Post
    Excellent post, DSF. Thank you for the insight and share.

    Greeeaaattttt....

    So UNCG beat UNC in an exhibition, played #1 Virginia tight, beat NC State (who in turn beat Duke, UNC, Zona, et al, and went 11-7 in ACC), nearly [should have] beat Wake Forest (Wake shot 32 FT's & 57% from 3 to escape by 5), and feature legit bigs down low who were All-Conference. No 13 seed have three bigs over 6'9".

    Not to mention, they press all game. Any team that has pressed us, mostly towards the end of game or attempting a comeback, have done so with success. Game tape.

    Let's also note they have 2 guards who both shot over 200 3's. Collectively made 40%, and our 3pt defense is, well, isn't our strong suit.

    And the (4) teams who slowed it down vs us this season, played tempo, and used up shot clock, played tough D, well....2 of them beat us, and the other 2 came within single digits.

    Oh man.

    Hey, I'm not Vegas, but this has upset written all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaZagFan View Post
    You left out the 10:30 am tip
    What time did Zags play Texas in PK-80? it was early as I recall

    found it 10 am PT

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    I fully expect a tough game, much tougher than a 4-13 game should be (though 13s win with some regularity).

    But, there is a reason they aren't a 5 seed.

    I don't know anything about UNCG, but how is a 6'10 200lb supposed to guard JWIII, Tillie or Rui?

    We hear about their guards being quick, but they are also undersized. How are they going to match-up with a 6'5 Norvelle?

    I see it being much tighter and tougher than we'd like. I HATE the start time, reminds me a little of SLC and Southern. Hope the guys have already gotten their practice time in today.

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