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    Mods, feel free to move when appropriate. Found this an interesting tidbit.

    BYU has an incredible history of fan attendance throughout their history. When BYU joined the WCC, their home attendance increased over their most recent Mountain West home game attendances. Even as their home winning percentage decreased, attendance increased. Certain folks talk very poorly of the WCC, but to me this is an interesting part of the argument that maybe the WCC isn't as bad as people claim. People like watching quality basketball. When teams win more games, attendance goes up. When teams play tougher, higher profile teams, attendance goes up. So can anyone explain why BYU attendance would go up when, by some peoples' claims, competition is worse in the WCC?

    The Mountain West Conference during the years used to compare numbers included Air Force, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, San Diego State, Utah (now Pac-12) and Wyoming.

    Home Record While in WCC ('11 - '17, six years): 85 - 16 (84.2%)
    Home Record Prior to WCC ('05 - '11, six years): 89 - 5 (94.7%)

    Average Home Attendance While in WCC ('11 - '17, six years): 15,404 (Total / Games : 1,555,817 / 101)
    Average Home Attendance Prior to WCC ('05 - '11, six years): 13,704 (Total / Games : 1,288,158 / 94)

    Average National Rank While in WCC ('11 - '17, six years): 12.2
    Average National Rank Prior to WCC ('05 - '11, six years): 21.3

    During this time, the capacity of the Marriott Center has actually decreased. This means that "big games" would affect the average attendance less today than they would prior to the renovations.
    2015 - Present: 18,987
    2012 - 2015: 20,951
    1971 - 2012: 22,700


    Year: Record...Total...Average...National Rank
    2016-17: 14-4...260,569...14,476...14
    2015-16: 16-2...264,588...14,699...14
    2014-15: 13-3...258,002...16,125...9
    2013-14: 14-1...238,131...15,875...11
    2012-13: 15-3...287,750...15,986...13
    2011-12: 13-3...246,777...15,424...12

    2010-11: 13-1...261,989...18,714...6
    2009-10: 15-1...224,460...14,029...17
    2008-09: 14-2...214,134...13,383...24
    2007-08: 16-0...216,295...13,518...21
    2006-07: 17-0...205,243...12,073...30
    2005-06: 14-1...166,037...11,069...30

    Data Source: BYU Basketball Almanac
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    That is definitely counter-intuitive

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    Enrollment increased?

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    Maybe the sky is falling...up?
    Hoping you have a sense of humor too!

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    I predict the attendance for the BYU-Zag game will be close to 18,987.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    I predict the attendance for the BYU-Zag game will be close to 18,987.
    OK, another contest...let's see who is closer...I say it will be 18,988...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasZagFan View Post
    I predict the attendance for the BYU-Zag game will be close to 18,987.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post
    OK, another contest...let's see who is closer...I say it will be 18,988...
    If it was in Moraga, it would be 18,989 and to heck with the fire marshal.
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    I wonder what kind of fan turnout USD has for football, if it was decent then one would think recruiting should benefit.

    If memory serves, UOP use to play and they had pretty decent turnout but then they had a cracker barrel gym for basketball and pretty much sold out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Maybe the sky is falling...up?
    One of the more reasonable things I've read here over the past couple of days.

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    @SWZag ... IMO you have nailed the counter argument to those that see ****stars**** in the big east or big 12...etc. GU leaving this conference at this time a huge mistake..... perhaps when you've won a NCAA title or two.... maybe. I think over 16,000 faithful @Provo came out to see Pacific win its 5th game of the season in 2016, 77-72. Two days prior, Pacific lost at San Diego, in an extremely ugly low scoring game... much like GU's thrilling loss @ San Diego St this season!!!!!!! In fact, you could easily change the jersey's of the four schools in these two particular games......and it wouldn't have made a difference in the combined 'excitement' ..... basketball wise.

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    It's a fascinating topic that I appreciate being posted.

    I wonder if the uptick in attendance can be attributed almost solely 2 sold out games per year in SMC and GU. BYU may (I don't know) have had a deeper league in the MWC and the old WAC. But, I don't know that there were a ton of years where a consistent one-two punch of top 20, or even top 5 (GU 2x) came in and lit the doors on fire.

    Regardless, I will always appreciate BYU for giving us one of the more memorable games in GU history when we went into Provo as a new No. 1 and looked the part as we overcame 19,000 hysteric fans and questionable calls, Nigel simply taking over the game and willing us to victory, looking every part of the number one team in the country.
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    SW, did you put this together?

    I frequent the BYU board & for the most part their "forum fans" want to get out of the WCC because of the HS gyms & the crappy attendance associated with said gyms.

    This info seems to make some of that complaining suspect.

    (rereading your post I guess you've already said what I repeated)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingon50 View Post
    SW, did you put this together?

    I frequent the BYU board & for the most part their "forum fans" want to get out of the WCC because of the HS gyms & the crappy attendance associated with said gyms.

    This info seems to make some of that complaining suspect.

    (rereading your post I guess you've already said what I repeated)
    Yes, I pulled it together. I was reading their "almanac" a little while ago and have been thinking about the numbers since. I found them very intriguing. I drew some of my own conclusions, but was wondering what others thought too.
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    One variable might be strength of Conference Standings.
    This year WCC is 10th and Mt. West is 12th
    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...-according-bpi
    and in another source
    WCC is 10th and Mt. West is 11th
    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...-according-bpi

    I would expect attendance in general, across the years and across conferences, to be higher the higher the Conference power ranking.
    I spent a lot of time and gave up on getting this statistic historically.
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    Maybe the religious affiliation of the majority of WCC teams has an influence? Utah actually has a fairly large Catholic population (just ask the McCarthy brothers). So maybe, either:

    A. Religious bragging rights. (The Mormons want to beat the Catholics (as well as UOP and Pepp) so they come out and support the home team or conversely, the Catholics come out hoping the Mormons go down.)

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    B. The fans recognize that although the WCC schools are not the same size as BYU, we are, for the most part, private, religious institutions with similar academic standards and educational missions. In other words, they have more in common with the WCC than they did with any of their MW brethren.

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    They've upgraded their arena. They put in a huge HD center hung video board a couple years ago.

    That's not the reason for their increased attendance, but it could be a factor.
    "After holding open practices during his first three seasons, Romar closed them to reporters last season, citing the "Gonzaga factor." He felt his team was compromised before the 2004-05 game against the Zags, that the opponent awaiting him and beating him 99-87 in Spokane seemed a little too well prepared."

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    Maybe skiing has gotten too expensive
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