Post game thread: SDSU

[Bullbuck55]

Jesse is buried so deep on the bench that he might as well be in street clothes. I think until proven otherwise, especially with the weak showing the both Perk and Melson had tonight, he deserved a chance to spell both. Use him for Josh and also occasionally for Melson .... slide Perkins to the 2 and play Wade at point.

[zagamatic]

Put simply, this team has the talent to thump San Diego State by 30 points on any given day on any court, but this team doesn't have it between the ears to make it happen. I have no gripes with Norvell, Larsen or Hachimura tonight, but everyone else from Few down to the rest of the rotation needs to figure out what they want. My biggest problems are 1) if Perkins wants to treat the ball as if he doesn't care if we have it, then he can sit on the bench behind literally anyone who wants to value the ball more. 2) JWIII also needs to value the ball AND actually play some real low post offense because it's clear that 3) Few is not going to play Larsen as much as he should (on this last one I will admit to not knowing the full extent of just how healthy Larsen's knee is)

[Zags11]

If I was Perkins i pray he doesn't read this board. And if I did, I'd just be like lmao.

[Ezag]

Man this team is Turnover City. Never seen a Zag team this careless before

[Reborn]

I wonder why he's buried so deep And now it's also Kispert who is getting buried deep on the bench. It was obvious tonight that the Zags needed some outside shooting/ Yet he kept guys like Kispert and Wade on the bench. AND I will never understand why he kept Larsen on the bench/ Worst coaching job in years for Few. I think he's the one who needs the break.

[Bullbuck55]

Well stated Griz.

[Bullbuck55]

Zags11 maybe he should. No one is saying he can't play. He has an abundance of talent and ability. He just seems to go to sleep. He's the point guard on a D-1 bball team. He is the leader and leadership can be learned. He sets the example and tone for the offense that includes turnovers and poor decisions. Few leads from the bench and Perkins implements that from the floor.

[Zags11]

Zags11 maybe he should. No one is saying he can't play. He has an abundance of talent and ability. He just seems to go to sleep. He's the point guard on a D-1 bball team. He is the leader and leadership can be learned. He sets the example and tone for the offense that includes turnovers and poor decisions. Few leads from the bench and Perkins implements that from the floor.

Sure and tonight he was bad.

Stat wise before tonight he had less turnovers then dickau and stepp and pangos. He avg 14.8 and 5.2. Goss 16 and 5.

So the hate is overboard. But be happy GUboard, your enemy struggled. Raise your glad up.

[Zags11]

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/cbk/....asp?id=122297

I see about 4-5 more losses and a sw16 exit if goss had this team instead of last yrs team. Some bad games. However he had the squad to back it up. Perkins doesn't.

[Zags11]

Opp Result Min FGM FGA 3PM 3PA FTM FTA OR REB A Stl Blk TO PF Pts
11/11 UVU W 92-69 33 5 13 2 2 2 2 1 8 6 1 0 2 0 14
11/15 SDSU W 69-48 35 3 12 0 4 4 4 0 8 3 3 0 4 0 10
11/18 Bryant W 109-70 27 3 5 0 1 7 7 0 4 5 2 0 0 2 13
11/24 @Quinni W 82-62 33 3 7 0 2 2 2 1 6 8 3 0 2 0 8
11/25 @Fla W 77-72 33 5 12 1 3 3 4 0 5 3 1 0 4 5 14
11/27 IaSt W 73-71 37 6 10 6 8 0 0 0 4 4 0 0 2 1 18
12/1 MsVl W 97-63 22 5 8 2 3 1 2 0 1 5 3 0 3 0 13
12/3 @Ari W 69-62 32 3 8 1 3 3 4 0 6 3 1 0 3 3 10
12/7 Wash W 98-71 32 9 13 1 2 4 4 0 5 5 0 0 2 2 23
12/10 Akron W 61-43 33 3 7 0 2 5 6 0 3 5 1 0 2 2 11
12/18 @Tenn W 86-76 32 7 12 0 1 6 7 1 9 6 2 0 2 4 20
12/21 SouDak W 102-65 25 6 13 2 4 0 0 1 9 5 1 0 0 1 14
12/29 Pepper W 92-62 33 6 16 2 6 2 2 0 6 3 4 0 3 1 16
12/31 @Pac W 81-61 32 4 10 1 5 0 0 1 6 5 2 0 4 1 9
1/5 @SanFr W 95-80 35 12 15 3 4 9 9 1 11 6 1 0 1 1 36
1/12 LyMnt W 93-55 29 4 11 1 3 2 2 2 4 5 2 0 2 1 11
1/14 StMry W 79-56 38 8 14 1 3 2 3 0 3 6 2 0 1 0 19
1/19 @SantaC W 88-57 30 4 9 0 2 3 4 2 10 3 2 0 1 1 11
1/21 Por W 73-52 32 3 11 1 6 8 10 0 2 3 1 0 1 2 15
1/23 @Por W 83-64 26 2 9 0 2 0 0 0 2 5 1 0 1 2 4
1/26 SD W 79-43 26 11 15 2 3 1 2 0 5 5 2 0 0 1 25
1/28 @Pepper W 96-49 26 6 9 0 2 0 0 0 6 8 1 0 1 2 12
2/2 @BYU W 85-75 40 12 18 2 6 7 7 0 7 4 3 0 2 1 33
2/9 @LyMnt W 90-60 27 5 8 0 0 9 10 2 11 2 1 0 3 1 19
2/11 @StMry W 74-64 29 3 8 0 0 8 8 0 3 3 3 0 1 2 14
2/16 SanFr W 96-61 34 10 14 4 6 6 6 1 6 7 3 0 4 2 30
2/18 Pac W 82-61 32 5 10 0 3 8 8 0 5 7 2 0 4 1 18
2/23 @SD W 96-38 28 5 10 1 2 3 3 0 6 5 0 0 3 2 14
2/25 BYU L 71-79 38 7 17 0 3 5 5 0 2 3 1 0 4 2 19
3/4 Pac W 82-50 35 7 11 1 1 5 5 1 6 4 0 0 1 3 20
3/6 SantaC W 77-68 38 9 13 1 1 6 8 2 8 5 1 0 3 0 25
3/7 StMry W 74-56 36 6 11 0 1 10 10 0 6 6 6 1 2 1 22
3/16 SDakSt W 66-46 37 4 13 0 3 1 2 0 7 4 1 0 1 2 9
3/18 NW W 79-73 36 6 19 1 4 7 8 2 8 4 2 0 3 1 20
3/23 WVU W 61-58 38 2 10 0 1 6 8 1 7 2 3 1 5 4 10
3/25 Xavier W 83-59 37 7 19 4 7 5 8 0 8 4 2 1 0 1 23
4/1 SC W 77-73 36 9 16 2 5 3 3 1 5 6 0 0 3 2 23
4/3 @UNC L 65-71 39 5 17 1 3 4 8 2 9 6 0 0 2 3 15

[CDC84]

I keep going back to this, but this team just hasn't been the same since Corey Kispert injured his ankle. It is just not getting well. Corey does more things "well" on the floor than any Zag. He is also a very good three point shooter. Although it is fantastic that Norvell has stepped up big time, this is a thin team, and the Zags need all hands on deck. GU really needs to get Kispert well soon.

Few has a big issue on his hands in that he doesn't have a backup point guard. I firmly believe that if GU had, say, a juco PG to backup Josh, Few would've sat Josh for four or five minutes to allow him to collect himself. But Few can't do that. Melson is not a point guard, and it has become apparent that Jesse Wade is just not ready, physically or mentally. The Zags are going to have to live or die with Perks. I know he stunk tonight, but Zag fans need to remember all the big shots he's hit this year and his overall stats going into tonight's game. 2 to 1 A/T ratio, and high shooting percentages from three and the field. However, I have major worries about his body running down by the end of WCC play. With their play vs. North Dakota and SDSU tonight, I don't think the non-SMC/BYU games are gimmes anymore until Kispert regains his health and the Zags stop turning the ball over like crazy.

I have no idea why GU is turning the ball over so much. And they are doing it in a variety of ways. Few has been harping on it since the start of the season. And it's not just the perimeters folks. It's JWIII, Tillie, etc.

I still feel the Zags are not taking advantage of Tillie enough in the offense. He is too gifted and talented to be just shooting corner threes and the occasional floater. JWIII was getting triple teamed tonight because nothing was ever really being run for Tillie. Not sure where the issue is.

I like Silas Melson, but it has become apparent that he is a good backup guard on a top 25 team.

I mentioned in another thread that Norvell reminds of Pangos in that he is extremely streaky from three as an underclassman. Pangos was exactly the same way his first two years or so. However, what Zach has that Pangos never had is an elite ability to drive and finish in traffic against high level athletes. Once ZN gets a more consistent three pointer, and learns to play better defense, well, he's going to be very special. You can't teach a player to have the killer instinct that he does possess.

I had a bad feeling about this game. SDSU serves no purpose but to ugly up basketball games. The Zags simply don't want to play that way. That combined with the game being on the road and a bunch of guys with little experience or veterans playing new roles (and possibly not being good enough to handle them)....well, it was just a perfect storm of events.

On to conference play.

[Zags11]

Lose to wvu in sw16 if he Perkins.
10pts. 2-10 shooting. 5 turnovers and 2 assists.

4pts. 2-9 shooting vs Portland. 3 ass and 1 to.

9pts. 4-13 shooting vs SDSU

15pts. 5-17 shooting vs NC

9pts. 3-12 shooting vs SDSU on 2nd game of yr. 3 assists and 4 turnovers.

15pts. 3-11 shooting vs Portland at home.

20pts. 6-19 shooting vs NW.

11.7ppg on 27.4% shooting.

Team record 6-1. If you think we go 6-1 with Perkins doing that? Your high. Probably 2-5.

[Saxon_zag]

and it has become apparent that Jesse Wade is just not ready, physically or mentally. .

Not sure how we came to this conclusion, I think he should be given a shot.

He scored the same amount of field goals tonight in his 25 seconds of play as Perkins did in his 37 mins. Couldn't hurt.

[CDC84]

He's not healthy Saxon. That is clearly a big reason why he is not getting any meaningful run. He's only playing when he is less likely to further hurt his shoulder. And he has been away from organized ball for ages. I would be highly surprised if he sees much run this season. Rarely have you ever seen Few throw a guy like Wade into the rotation mid-season. As long as GU keeps winning most of its games, things will continue as usual.

[Saxon_zag]

He's not healthy Saxon. That is clearly a big reason why he is not getting any meaningful run. He's only playing when he is less likely to further hurt his shoulder. And he has been away from organized ball for ages. I would be highly surprised if he sees much run this season. Rarely have you ever seen Few throw a guy like Wade into the rotation mid-season. As long as GU keeps winning most of its games, things will continue as usual.

If his shoulder was really a major concern why wouldn't they burn Ayayi's redshirt at the start of the year? 1 Ball handler all year is what Few was down to go with? The being out of organized ball thing I buy but I think playing him 10-15 mins serves our long term interests much better and could help Josh out. But you're right the chances of that happening seem low at this point if we judge Few off past seasons rotations.

[seacatfan]

GU should've gotten some advice from BYU. Somehow their guys returning from missions don't seem to be rusty and are good to go being plugged into the rotation right away. Maybe not every one of them, but more often than not. There must be some kind of secret to it.

[Saxon_zag]

GU should've gotten some advice from BYU. Somehow their guys returning from missions don't seem to be rusty and are good to go being plugged into the rotation right away. Maybe not every one of them, but more often than not. There must be some kind of secret to it.

Seriously.

We need to play the BYU game better. Start getting him his minutes now and by 2021 we have a baller 29 year old Senior PG like all the bald Seniors they have

[zagsfanforlife]

Some of the worst play i have ever seen from a zags squad in my 20 years as a fan. That was awful-- we should have beat that team by 20.

[siliconzag]

SDSU serves no purpose but to ugly up basketball games. The Zags simply don't want to play that way. That combined with the game being on the road and a bunch of guys with little experience or veterans playing new roles (and possibly not being good enough to handle them)....well, it was just a perfect storm of events.

On to conference play.[/QUOTE]

[siliconzag]

SDSU serves no purpose but to ugly up basketball games. The Zags simply don't want to play that way. That combined with the game being on the road and a bunch of guys with little experience or veterans playing new roles (and possibly not being good enough to handle them)....well, it was just a perfect storm of events.

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Well said. CDC84

Oh SDSU, How do I hate thee? Let me but count the ways!They always dictate the pace of the game, and they love beating finesse teams. If you get in a street fight it's best not to act like a choir boy. Let this one go Zag fans. A stinker every once in awhile happens. Just like it did to my Bluejays in Spokane. When you're hot you're hot and when you're not you're not.

[Zag79]

Refs were terrible all night. Blocks instead of charges on Tillie and Norvell were ridiculous.

Agree with much of what you said, the refs were clearly in favor of the home team. The sky isn't even close to falling. Few had a bad game, as did the guys. Needed to go bigger, and stop shooting threes. Clean it up a little, and this is a win period.

[Zags11]

Some of the worst play i have ever seen from a zags squad in my 20 years as a fan. That was awful-- we should have beat that team by 20.

Was it worse then when we lost to 11-20 Loyola? Or 17-14 SF? Or PSU at home? Or double digit loss wcc teams?

[Outraged]

That was one ugly game. I don't know why Perks was off. Sick, too much Kool Aide, bad shoulder? He needs to learn not to look so bad when he is bad it's contagious.

Not Ready to give up on him but when he plays Bad looks even worse.This is where a couple minutes of David Stockton would be helpful. I hope wade makes it soon so that we can give Perks more reset minutes on the bench.

Waiting for a krispert, Novel, Wade set when they're all healthy. I would like to see what three to five minutes of them can do.

[GonzagasaurusFlex]

I agree with all of your points. I have couple more.

1. The ball needs to move more in the halfcourt. Moving without the ball is more effective than trying to pass over trees.

2. They need to be stronger taking care of the the ball.

That game was was so winnable!

I started reading this thread from the beginning just now but stopping here.

Zags’ offense looked so tentative, predictable and unimaginative. The ball isn’t moving fast enough.

I believe this team needs Larsen and Wade playing meaningful minutes to be the best version of itself. Perkins needs in-game rest and coaching; Larsen is impacting games and he allows JWIII minutes as a PF.

Why don’t the coaches play Larsen or Wade more? Why not now?

[RenoZag]

Zags left a lump of coal in our Christmas stocking last night. Santa Few and his elves spent more time making turnovers than toys.

After PK80, my expectations of the team moved up a notch; after the Viejas debacle last nigt, I'm back to "Hope they win the league, Vegas tourney, and see what happens from there."

They are still a work in process, not finished goods.