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    you pretty much sum up a lot of my feelings....

    except Chandler played a hell of a game...a mistake here or there but mostly she saved our butts....

    JT, as I call her....what a player....JT and Chandler make a great team....Jess L and Jen and Zee....Jen starts until Jill gets back....that's my lineup...

    oh how we miss Zhane...who I would imagine could shoot 25 points a game if we ever let her....moot point..she's gone but why?...

    "it seems her only role is dribbling the ball up court at a snails pace"

    My impression exactly....the UNLV were monsters...we can't get the ball inside and we're NOT pushing the ball up the court before they get set?.....ridiculous...they're PG saw to it when she could...

    we couldn't hit squat in the first half....not even layups went in....3 pointers were missing in action....

    I really thought we lost when we were down by 7.....it was terrific to see the girls come back and take the lead...only to lose the game....I almost thought Chandler was in tears....

    a couple of points....on that last play where UNLV was shooting a free throw, only Zee was on the line with any size...correct me if I'm wrong....but shouldn't Jen Wirth been out there?.....so their amazon just grabbed the rebound and scored....game over...that was a coaching mistake...a big one...

    and who exactly had LS take the last shot?....when you have some better shooters and you could draw a foul because UNLV was in the penalty....????.


    does everybody realize now how vital it is to have a post player who is aggressive enough to score inside let alone outside.....Jill gets criticism now and then that she tries too hard....tries to do everything....well, let er rip Jill Barta.....I love your aggressive attitude...

    player of the game was Chandler....well deserved....she was everywhere.... she and Townsend....they tried everything to will this team to win...

    I wouldn't be too hard on the Wirths....they are freshmen...Jill B was just an aberration....lets face it....the posts did not get the ball inside...we passed and passed and passed the ball around the perimeter....we let the clock run down and turned it over or we took a very poor shot...

    team was well to beat WSU....they seemed not prepared today...

    onward.....

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    "Jill Barta stay off the ice, have some one escort you we need you back healthy for season play"


    I hope she has good all weather tires on her Camaro or whatever that sports car is...lol

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    Not being hard on Wirth twins that was their stats. Just pointing out why Townsend should be starting. You should not be starting Jenn Wirth just for her height. Townsend is ready and is a much better all around player and ready for college play its as simple as that every one can see it. Townsend should be your number one player to get ready for WCC.

    LF clearly is not healthy enough to play, no minutes tonight.

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    I think we need that height....WCC has some tall players.....Jen disrupted inside....their big didn't get a ton of points...

    I said the other day why can't we play Louise....coach said she was going to play 3 weeks ago....still no Louise....

    we should also see Gillian...why not.....

    did anybody hear anything about JB?....I saw her mom there but didn't want to be intrusive....Jill didn't look too bad but either did Louise and she still sits...

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    Why would you make a freshmen a starter (Jenn Wirth) who can't move well, does not get rebounds, does not score points, does not know how to block out or any of the other fundamentals of the game to this point. It goes back to the Barta argument play your best players. We cannot afford to have two or three players at a time on the floor that can't score points, and are not doing anything else that warrants them being a stater at this time.

    Our starting lineup right now we have two offensive weapons CS and ZR thats it. Smaller or better players can get in position and get charging calls, and more important block out the players they are guarding and do the fundamentals. We need Townsend on the floor she makes thinks happen.

    Simple mathematics play your productive players much more you win. If you play your unproductive players as much as productive players you lose. You play your best players, and get the other minutes when you can that will not detriment the team.

    Also you want your players in with the best motors, thats Townsend she is all over the place. At this time the game is just to fast for several of the other younger players, they just stand around like trees waiting for something to happen.

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    Insanity: def'n - Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

    Lady Zags Offense: def'n - Dribbling the ball around for 20 seconds only to scramble around in the last 10 seconds looking for a shot.

    How many times have most of us laminated about the stagnant Lady Zags offense under CLF. Without playmakers in the game who make their own shot, this team, this year and every year under CLF, has no sense of an offense. Why run a pick and roll if your guards, all of them, don't even look at the roll? With about 2 min left CS finely saw ZR on the roll and threw a 90 mph pass over her head. ZR, LW and JW were open all day on the pick and roll and nobody looked for them. Total coaching failure and not acceptable from this staff.

    The game was not near as bad as ZAB described. UNLV is not a "bad" team and except for their last game, averages 75-80 points a game. They came into the game like 9th in the nation in rebounding. UNLV basically shot their average percentage but did not get the steals and rebounds to get the points. The lady zags played great (not good but great) defense the entire game with only one or two exceptions. This game was lost not on the defensive side of the ball but because the Lady Zags could not generate any offense and shot extremely poorly especially for being at home.

    The lady zags have exactly one (yes only one) player that knows how to establish position on the defensive side of the ball, get inside position and move her player out of the key. It has nothing to due with height, it has to do with want. For the last 5 minutes of the game, Jill Townsend played defense on the 6'4" center and essentially took her out of the game. Why, why, did CLF put ZR on her during the free throw is beyond me. ZR, for all her athletic ability, does not play in front of or move her defender. ZR did not move her defender back, she did not jump for the rebound and the 6'4" center simply pulled the ball out of her hands from behind leading to the 2 pt deficit. Only one play, but it was a play where the coaching staff put their trust in ZR to cover the center and it failed. Should have left JT on her.

    CS, for all her heart, simply cannot play 35-38 minutes a game, particularly if you are going to trap, and be expected to be the scoring threat. The long minutes take a toll on your legs and your shooting tails off the more tired you become. She played a great game on defense, but as the minutes wore on, she became less and less of a scoring threat, particularly in the 4th quarter.

    LS, simply cannot shoot with that mask on. She is mediocre at best on defense, much slower dribbling with the mask and seems to very uncomfortable. Without LF available, we need LS to spell JL, but the team plays better with JL at the point, at least as long as LS has to wear the mask.

    ZR does not play great defense. Occasionally she will get a block from behind or come swooping in from the outside, but rarely do you see her mixing it up underneath the basket getting and maintaining inside position. Her play is very inconsistent on both sides of the ball.

    Wirth twins played much better today than against WSU. Neither twin can handle the rough stuff underneath. Both girls will put the ball up underneath if the guards get them the ball. Pick and rolls were open all day but the guards did not look for them. KC showed today why she will be getting clean-up minutes. She simply cannot handle the physicality of the D-1 game with her current strength level. She cannot effectively screen anybody, block anybody or move anybody. She can and will take open shots from the wing, but the last couple of games she has not hit them.

    ES played her typical game. She played good defense but simply does not look for her shot even when she is open and we need somebody to step up and be a playmaker.

    Zhane and 25 points??? Please Sylean, Zhane would have to take 40 shots to make 25 points on her best of days.

    Before the game, I told this board I would start JT, but I did not think it would happen and of course it didn't. CLF thinking like Sylean that size was required, started JW and we saw how that worked out. As we saw in the 4th quarter, the 6'4" center was tired, not really coordinated and very easily could have been fouled out early in the 3rd quarter had anybody challenged her. With JT guarding her and LS & ES providing the double, a couple of quick charges and an over the back was gotten. This was available all day and nobody went there until it was too late.

    Other than CS and JT, I personally did not find any other Lady Zag worthy of a call out. Nobody else seemed to want to pick up the pressure and put in the work to take the game. They appeared to be waiting for somebody else to win the game and somebody finally did, unfortunately it was the Lady Rebels.

    This loss is, IMO, is entirely on the coaches and coaching staff for the lack of preparation on getting a workable, offensive strategy, together for this game and not playing and starting the best five players on the team. The next two weeks we will look like everything is fixed against inferior competition right up until we play Pacific on 12/28 when reality will set in.

    O'k coaches what are you going to do to fix this other than wait for JB, LS and LF to become healed?

    ZagDad

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    Note we only had four steals in the game. And I did not see any back court trap in the whole game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZAGS ATTACK BASKET View Post
    Note we only had four steals in the game. And I did not see any back court trap in the whole game.
    We used it late in the game, but it was more of a 1/2 court trap than the 3/4 court trap. The use of the trap did make UNLV run quite a bit of time off the clock and limited their half court offense but it did not result in many steals.

    Write-Up on Today's game:

    GoZags: http://www.gozags.com/sports/w-baskb...120917aaa.html

    UNLV: http://www.unlvrebels.com/sports/w-b...120917aaa.html

    The Slipper Still Fits: https://www.slipperstillfits.com/201...out-jill-barta

    Spokesman-Review: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...nge-in-tou/#/0

    Just wanted to add a note to look at the picture on the Spokesman Review article and you will see the problem with the Wirth twins and ZR. LW is playing from behind the 6'4" UNLV center (Powell) and her access to the ball and ability to jump is constrained by her position. Now look at CS coming in from the open side. CS is a good 8-10" above LW and almost as high as Powell and CS is only 6' tall. CS is in a position to affect the shot and/or the rebound and LW is not.

    Defense is about position and position is about want. Height is a benefit as a deterrent and to help you out when you are out of position but nothing beats being in the right defensive position at the right time. JT gets it, CS gets it, ZR, the twins and even JB don't get the defensive positioning that is required to be a complete player.

    ZagDad
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    Tough game to watch... when you know the team is much better than they played tonight.

    You can't rely on one player... you need to adapt.

    Why was your one senior on the bench at the end of the game?
    Why was LS in... great heart but not playing at 100 % and not for 31 minutes.

    We had 4 healthy starters and we started 3.
    Love our FR class... but plan on this kind of year. Please don't get down on them.

    Coaches... you need to do better... tough situation with the injuries, but that's when the players need you the most.
    Knowing that you have a utility player in CS, JL should have started at 1, JT at 3, CS at the 4. How many baskets did CS make while playing that position in the second period and then we didn't see her there again. JL should have been at the point for more minutes because of LS"s health. React and adapt.

    Second game this season that should have been a W.... this will bite us at the end of the season.

    Still think we have a great team but will need to get more from our young bench. Coaches... time to re-evaluate and get the team together again... loses like this one can divide.

    Go Zags!!

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    actually Jen showed a lot of offense in the exhibition game...okay....exhibition...but she had the moves...

    I'm a big big JT booster....I think she should start instead of ES...jess should start, if only for her speed and her quick hands...Zee...chandler...Jen....

    I thought the coaches did magnificently against WSU in the 2nd half....they put people on the court and it paid off...

    tonight though there seemed to be absolutely no plan at all offensively....the Wirths couldn't score because they got so few opportunities...and even Zee didn't get a lot inside....they dribbled...dribbled...dribbled.....

    where is this fast break team that we're told about.....get the ball down the court before their players can set up their impenetrable wall..instead, we dribble and wait for them to get ready.....

    but its obvious tonight who the playmakers are...not to put anybody down, but how does a 5'11 girl get underneath 6'4 or 6'5 girls and get the rebound....THAT is what nearly won the game for us....

    again, we had Zee on the line....I think we should have had Jen in just to try to grab the last rebound....

    I think the best players should play....but you know that is not going to happen....it happened under Graves as well....it happened when the fab four first came in....CLF is really big into seniors playing a lot no matter what...she is slow perhaps to recognize good play....I'm waiting for her "we're going to shake up the starters" speech like she HAD to do two yrs ago with Jill....lol....

    its tough being a coach....but its what they choose to do and they have to expect a little second guessing..

    I think Zhane had two games with 16 points IIRC....she had a sweet shot and was able to step around players and pull up....easily...I liked her game...she's gone....its all moot..

    I think she could have been a good scorer given regular minutes....

    ..but who did we replace her with?....are we ever going to see Louise, let alone Gillian or even Corryn...Katie gets in a little...

    CLF can recruit though....we have to hand her that....very impressed with JT and I like both Wirths, they're still raw....they'll be okay...

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    Sylean:

    How do you throw the ball into the bigs when you have 5 players sagged into the key preventing just that?

    Quick (no double pumps) ball movement, dribble drives and of course the bigs have to establish inside position with enough space between them and the basket for a guard to get them the ball. When the bigs are just standing their (Z and the Wirth twins) it is hard to get them the ball when they are playing like statues. Hey, here is a hint, maybe have the guards look for the big on the pick and roll.

    What happened in the 2nd half of the fourth quarter? We went small, pulled the defense out to guard and left space for the guards to dribble drive and JT/CS get rebounds. Why did it take till the 4th quarter to come up with this plan, as it is the same plan we use against WSU. Poor, very poor preparation and coaching. Recruiting the best players on earth does little good if the coaching is suspect. CLF and staff need to pick up their game.

    again, we had Zee on the line....I think we should have had Jen in just to try to grab the last rebound....
    In reality, the only people worse than "Z" at blocking out for the rebounds today were the Wirth twins. #3 and #23 never could have got that rebound from "Z" from behind had "Z" been on their side. Only Powell could have gotten the rebound from behind. The only Zag to keep Powell behind her all day was JT and that is who should have been on Powell on that last rebound..

    I'm a big big JT booster....I think she should start instead of ES...jess should start, if only for her speed and her quick hands...Zee...chandler...Jen....
    I do not understand how this (^^^) improves the team at all. Why would you take your best defender who scored 9 points shooting 50%, had 3 rebounds and is the only senior off the court and replace her with a player who's primary position is the #3/4 and not the #2, who is our best position rebounder and move her out of the key? Then top it off by bringing in a freshman who played 17 minutes, had no points and only was able to get 3 rebounds.

    I understand you really do not like ES but replacing her with another player who would be playing out of position and removing her from where we need her most (the key) is most certainly not the answer.

    Knowing that you have a utility player in CS, JL should have started at 1, JT at 3, CS at the 4. How many baskets did CS make while playing that position in the second period and then we didn't see her there again. JL should have been at the point for more minutes because of LS"s health. React and adapt.
    I'll go with this (^^^) but I still think JT is a better #4 and CS a better #3. After watching the last 5 minutes of the game, JT has the body structure and attitude to play the key. I see CS as more of a finesse player, but either way is much better that what CLF has been starting.

    Wirths have the skills, but in the exhibition game, they had lots more space, a lot less talented defensive players and fewer double teams. The lights of D-1 ball are a lot brighter today. They need more seasoning, but they will get there. You can physically see the difference between a 4-star recruit like CS, JB and JT and the 3-star recruits on the team. That is why I can't wait to see the skills that LF has as she is our first 5-star recruit. Get well, and play when you get healthy. We have likely tossed out any opportunity for an at-large bid so we must now focus on the conference schedule and get into the NCAA the old fashioned way, by earning it at the WCC tournament.

    ZagDad

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    LS looks slow and out of shape. She makes the same mistakes over and over. IMO both her and JL are too small to make good entry passes, move CS to the point,. I said it last season and say it again. FREE Chandler Smith. Why Fortier recruits tiny point guards is beyond me. They get abused and have a hard time making entry passes. JL is quick on her feet, LS is not. You would think she would want to be in good shape through diet and exercise even if she couldn't play because of injury. Looks like her game is going backwards, not improving.

    I'm sure she's a nice young lady but I'm not a fan of her game. I just sit and watch and wait for the next mistake. Reminds me of Meech on the Men's side, big heart, very competitive but lacking some of the D1 point guard skills necessary to run the TEAM and get the best out of them.

    Just my opinion,

    Go!! Las Zagas!!!
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    Sounds like we are under achieving? Is so what's the main reason?

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    Just watched replay on SWX, 20/20 hindsight always gives a slight difference vrs actual game. Interesting hearing the announcers take on the game. my take, should not have lost at home, great home court advantage. players & coaches made mistakes to let the lead slip away.

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    A couple more comments...

    Agree with you ZagDad on CS and JT. Both are are talented and react well to the ball. I would have started CS at the 4 only because she has played it at GU. I'm sure both had time at the 4 in HS.
    JT would fit in the 4 position a little better because of her quickness and size. When setting blocks, her build would do well yet her ability to take a 3 pointer is there. CS... well put her where you need her. Still with the minutes she is playing... more team breaks in the first half.

    Coaches... more control... you have a very smart team and you need to be under control of the game and your players.
    Again why was ES on the bench and a tired LS on the floor. You need to recognize that...

    It's in the past... so learn and move forward.

    Go Zags!!

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    its a puzzle why LS was out there for the last shot....a puzzle why we didn't have two tall girls going for the rebound after the UNLV missed the free throw...

    you know, I'm sure CLF didn't plan last year that Grace would be gone...didn't plan on Emma getting hurt....by the time Emma's problems were apparent, it was too late to go after another big....I'm sure if Emma was healthy, Jen or Leeanne might get a redshirt....but its all a moot point because we need both of them this year....so the mission this season is to survive, and thrive...once Jill gets back, she and Zee will be the starters and Jen or Leeanne can sub, and not have to feel like they're carrying the whole load......I believe things will work out well eventually....


    now, lets talk positives....

    we held them well, well under the average score which somebody wrote was 75-80....

    they didn't run away with the game...

    we shot poorly yet we're still in the game with a few seconds left...

    the crowd towards the end was like the crowds of yesteryear...me, I thought my screaming and clapping could actually change the course of the game, and it almost did....what fun to feel like you're part of the game....

    Jill Townsend and Chandler continue to amaze me....

    good teams are going to loose...period...today and yesterday HALF of all teams lost....

    we've had rough starts in past years....this was by no means a "gimme" game....this was a strong team we played....

    a point here or there, and it would have been a win....


    GO ZAGS!

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    In the final minute, I remember looking at the bench and thinking...why is Emma S on the bench. She is a senior, best on ball defender(for UNLV's very athletic point guard), faster/better in the press, and a better shooter than Laura S. Add in LS recent injuries and loss of game fitness, shooting woes (0 for the season from 3).
    UNLV played the last possession as expected and made LS take the last shot.

    Coming into the game I saw how badly UNLV had been shooting, but when you subtract Jill B's FG percentages from the totals, GU is even worse. Don't know who the primary shooting coach is, but some extra time on the floor is needed to boost their confidence. Get your MOJO back ladies, we're still cheering!!

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    Thanks to everybody for posting. As expected, I will add a few additional opinions on our latest posters.

    BigBlahLa - I think everybody agrees that with everything being equal we would like taller guards instead of shorter guards. But being taller does not necessarily make one guard better than another. We have used CS at point for large periods of time during the two games LS missed and I don't think there was a significant difference in point guard play whether JL or CS ran the point. Secondly, we are very short at experienced #3 #4 positions and have more back-ups at the point. I like CS at the #3 or #4 and think moving her to the point would hurt the team more than it would help it, IMO.

    Here is a link for the board about a 2020 point guard recruit from Cashmere.

    http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/art...ngton-cashmere

    The girl is ranked in the top 25 players overall by ESPN and ranked #2 at the point. Unfortunately, we probably have no chance since she is already being pursued by Geno at Connecticut among many others. So, she is the 2nd nationally ranked point guard, is being pursued by Connecticut and yet is only 5'7". Height is nice but is not necessarily required for a premier point guard.

    In the Spokesman-Review write-up there was a statement attributed to CLF which concerned me:

    “We forgot what we were doing a few times … of course we don’t have someone (the 6-foot-3 Barta) to throw the ball into,” said Fortier"

    What about ZR, the Wirth Twins, etc? Yes, JB is a talent and she can create her own shots, but we have no options when JB is out resting, injured, etc? This team needs to be productive no matter which 5 players are on the court. How come none of the guards look for the big on the pick and roll? This appears to be a coaching tactic since every guard does the same thing. If you want to get the ball into the bigs, consider looking for the big on the pick and roll before the guard dribbles 2-3 times. Grace continually found ZR in the games she played. Since she left, nobody has been able to find ZR consistently since.

    Sylean - thank you for trying your best to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear which was the UNLV game. Yes all teams lose, all teams have the occasional bad game and most teams lose the occasional game to an opponent that they should not lose to. The problem is that under CLF, the above items happen in every season and too often during the season. Players come and players go yet we still wonder year after year why the players stand around slowly passing the ball until there is 10 sec. left on the shot clock than a mad scramble to get a shot. Our offense seems to consist of fast break (rarely) or throw the ball into JB and let her work her magic.

    While I believe that I understand the coach's reasoning, I think the majority of the board believes the coaching staff made several mistakes during the UNLV game making this victory much more difficult than it needed to be. LS has a great refuse to lose attitude that won several games for us last year, but she was healthy at that time. She made 1 shot in the last two games and it was a lay-up. She was a detriment being on the court during the last play. Bad coaching. The last free throw putting ZR on Powell when Powell had gotten the best of her all game. Yes ZR is a couple inches taller than JT but ZR did not handle Powell and JT did. JT had dominated Powell over the last 5 minutes of the game. JT should have been on Powell on the rebound and the game may have ended differently. Why did the coaches wait until 5 min. to go in the game before they went small ball and made back the 8 pt deficit? This is the same offense we used against WSU but we waited to use it when nothing else worked? Start using it at the start of the 4th quarter and there may never have been a deficit. As many others have noted, why was our lone senior and best 3 point shooter sitting on the bench on the last play of the game. With LS in the game, UNLV only had to cover 4 players with their 5. Coaching mistake.

    My biggest concern is that every year we seem to have the same issues (poor shooting, lack of offense, losing games to inferior teams, etc.) that keep repeating themselves. The board seems to agree that we have some of or the best talent in the WCC but we don't seem to live up to our potential. This occurs year after year. If we are to follow the path of the Men's team and move beyond our conference affiliation, we need better consistency, better shooting and better offensive strategy if we want to keep recruiting the 4-star and 5-star athletes.

    Yes, when LF begins to play and JB returns to health we may appear to be healthy, but the underlining problems still persist. Anytime you put your eggs in a single basket (JB), you have compromised the team.

    We need to see improvement from the coaching staff to elevate the ladies game to be closer to their abilities. We need the coaching staff to not put the players in a more difficult position to do their jobs.

    O'K coach's, you have two (2) more OOC games to put together an offense that is effective w/o, JB or LF in the line-up. The ball is in your court.

    ZagDad

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    "[Anytime you put your eggs in a single basket (JB), you have compromised the team. "

    sometimes you have to just go with the talent..let it ride...encourage it....use it....let it rub off on others...when one player is hitting, others usually do well...

    everyone on the team can score, in different ways...we've seen that...not having Jill B in there is no excuse.

    the more I think of that game the other night, the less upset I am...our girls hung with them and almost pulled it off..we saw great performances....I think the whole game can't be held hostage to the last 30seconds, but lets face it there was kind of a screw-up on assignments...that's on the coaches....well, they have to learn too...

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    ...and when I say "great performances" I don't mean that we shot well or rebounded well or gathered tons of assists...

    we struggled but the kids fought the whole way....that's what I mean by "great"...

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    I think this game showed the importance of giving as much time on the floor as possible to our young bench.

    By the end of the game, the starters were running out of gas... (except ES)
    The bench had limited time and point production was by one player.
    Take 2 of the 6 returnees from last year out or not at 100% and we have players coming in that are limited to the time given them this year. That is why it is so important to give them time with the starters when possible.

    Next... I see hesitation by our guards to feed the posts... mostly the Wirths. Coaches need to work on this if they are going to be productive. I talked about a split in the team... nothing that is noticable but could be if the confidence in each other getting the job done happens. Again... playing with each other during games. (The old thing of why give them the ball if they can't make a basket... I saw a little of that with Shelby missing bunnies)

    Coaches... 4 of you huddling during timeouts. I hope all of you are getting a voice... and if you are, no more game slip ups.

    Ah... all the challenges. It will come... with dedication. Something the players have.

    Love this team... Go Zags!!

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    ZagDad84--interesting bringing up Van Lith. I hadn't heard of her until this year, when perusing national recruiting lists. I'm fairly disappointed that the Seattle media has not given her any publicity. Of course they are more Puget Sound centric, but she's still in state and a big time prospect. They certainly mentioned Angie Bjorklund while she was starring in HS in Spokane. Maybe when Van Lith is a Jr/Sr she will garner more local attention. I really hope she stays somewhere out west, but probably not that likely.

    Hey, do you have any idea why she's playing for Cashmere? It's a 1A school. The article says she is from Wenatchee. I don't know why she wouldn't be playing for a bigger school that is in the Big 9 conference and would provide her w/ much, much better competition. At times some of those Yakima schools have been powerhouses. Obviously she's doing fine if she's rated that highly, but just strikes me as being odd. I've passed thru Cashmere a number of times, it's barely even there.

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    Anyone heard any news from CLF radio show, or players with her Monday?

    Looking at next years recruits. Looking at Kylee Griffin she looks like she has good upper body build broad shoulders. Looks like could be a good rebounder for us. ESPN said she is a good rebounder and plays taller than her height. Kylee's, Junior year she averaged 17.7 points per game and 9.4 rebounds. She looks like someone that can contribute first year.

    Read about Wirth sisters and they said they are a package deal would only go to school that offered them both scholarships.

    Redshirt might be good for Melody Kempton her first year.

    Yes I agree with the comparison of the Wirth sisters with Shelby C. they both had no hops and could not make easy layups. They could not get their feet off the floor. SC used her height to block a lot of shots. However the Wirth twins seem to have stronger body type than SC. Wirth sisters have same problem of not having strength to hang onto rebounds, also Wirth twins don't know how to use their bodies to position for rebounds. Think the Wirth Twins need to put in some work to develop their arm and leg strength.

    Not getting down on Wirth twins like ZD said they were only 3 star recruits. That means to me that your going to have to put in twice the work as higher recruits that have more natural talent.

    Would say our next two opponents we should be able to blow out by 50 points with JB. We still have the talent without JB to beat them each by 20+. Looking forward to seeing a lot of Townsie. Something to keep in mind once you have a injury its easy to re-injure in same area. Sprains are one thing but broken bones are more susceptible to injury in same area again, hence caughteous approach to LF.

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    [QUOTE=ZagDad84;1344281]Insanity: def'n - Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

    Lady Zags Offense: def'n - Dribbling the ball around for 20 seconds only to scramble around in the last 10 seconds looking for a shot.

    How many times have most of us laminated about the stagnant Lady Zags offense under CLF. Without playmakers in the game who make their own shot, this team, this year and every year under CLF, has no sense of an offense. Why run a pick and roll if your guards, all of them, don't even look at the roll? With about 2 min left CS finely saw ZR on the roll and threw a 90 mph pass over her head. ZR, LW and JW were open all day on the pick and roll and nobody looked for them. Total coaching failure and not acceptable from this staff.

    This loss is, IMO, is entirely on the coaches and coaching staff for the lack of preparation on getting a workable, offensive strategy, together for this game and not playing and starting the best five players on the team. The next two weeks we will look like everything is fixed against inferior competition right up until we play Pacific on 12/28 when reality will set in.

    Sorry to edit your comments ZD but I was thinking about making a comeback on this board after, after a great deal of frustration, deciding that I was being too negative towards the program and that negativity would be more at home on the men's Board. I have never quit reading but i did commit to not posting if I always felt like prefacing my remarks with..."I know I sound like a broken record". (which by the way my grand kids do not understand when I say it to them as they have no idea what record I am trying to break). Unfortunately this post resonates with how I have been feeling since the sweet sixteen vs Tennesee.

    Our girls are to be admired. I believe they have the talent to win but our current coaching situation needs to improve or change. Far too long we have seen commitment to players who have not earned it at the expense of the program. I also believe that we lose future recruits for every player who leaves the program as players who leave, for whatever reason we hear about, must rouse questions about what happens after you get here in the minds of kids we recruit.

    Is it fun to play at Gonzaga? My answer is of course it is fun. Our building is full, community support is always there, we fans love our team. Being a long time season ticket holder I see playing for the Zags as an opportunity to be a part of something special that I enjoy, in person, 15 times a year plus other events.

    Are our girls loving it? They are always kind and gracious to myself and my grand kids but I wonder if they are really loving it.

    This team has the talent to be very good. The cohesiveness is still amiss. At the risk of sounding like a broken record I will again say that I don't see this team being very "team like". Creating a sense of common purpose and mutual respect comes out of rewarding those who deserve it while remembering to foster the future with meaningful minutes on the court for all. This coaching staff has never, IMO, understood team dynamics. I do not profess to have an answer as I am completely uninformed but I would hate to lose another player or two at the end of this year because being a Lady Zag is not all they thought it would be.

    Hopefully we will get into conference, go on a run against weaker competition, and make the tournament. Winning can solve many ills. Our coaches need to understand that a lack of belonging can create many more.

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    I did not see the posts being open or in positions to accept a pass....I saw a team dribble and dribble....I don't think there is enough movement to open up lanes....we just accept whatever the other team wants us to have, which is usually a last minute shot often not falling...

    I do blame the coaches for this loss....

    while one play does not always make or break a game, not having a tall post to rebound on the missed FT towards the end of the game was unexplainable...for all JT can do, and she can do a lot, she can't jump straight up from a standing position so she can grab a rebound from a 6'5 player....and then to have LS be in there to take the last shot?.....she's not the greatest shot...why?....

    I try to never criticize players "too"much here....this board is not like the men's board in that regard....but you're right....the coaches don't play the best players......I noticed that 3 yrs ago......it took a long time form them to admit who were the players who were more productive....who needed to be on the floor....

    while I won't be "too" critical of players I will say I will compliment players as I see it....Chandler may make a mistake or two but she is a fantastic player asked to do just "everything" and the same with Jill T....my feelings on Jill B are known.......there is talent on this team...

    I wonder if the coaching staff gets along just a bit too well....are they all just "yes" men/women?.....where is the critical view?...

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