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    Default Gary Parrish Podcast re the Zags

    This is a fun podcast from Gary Parrish, with heavy emphasis on the Zags, starting at about 11:52: https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-five-scorers/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagNative View Post
    This is a fun podcast from Gary Parrish, with heavy emphasis on the Zags, starting at about 11:52: https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-five-scorers/
    I was just going to post about this. I agree, lots of Zags talk on there. They talk about the Zags moving to the Big East and that the Creighton game was setup for that reason. They talked about how there are 4 potential draft picks on the team.
    Bring back the OCC

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    That WAS very good, Native. Thanks.
    This post is for March Madness seeding purposes only.

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    Nice hearing the respect for the Zags program/Few and our guys but .... not much about the game and lots about conjecture that we've all heard before. I'm biased though cuz I like the WCC and getting to play schools out west. It's nice having a dang near certain shot at the NCAAs each year. I'd much rather see the WCC improve over GU leaving the conference (at least for a conference that's mainly E of the Mississippi). All that extra airtime adds up for the various sports/athletes involved. If we're going to talk serious about something along the lines I'd personally be interested in it would be for GU to start up a football program then look to joining some other conference out west. Dreaming on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagger View Post
    I'd much rather see the WCC improve over GU leaving the conference (at least for a conference that's mainly E of the Mississippi).
    The WCC won’t improve without schools receiving support from the fan base/alumni and administration. Other than BYU, none of the other WCC schools receive much of either type of support. Including Saint Mary’s.

    Couple things I found interesting... 1) This Creighton/Villanova turn around being a test run for Big East conference. Parrish made it sound like the Big East requested it? 2) Zags all onboard for making the jump to the big east “just an extra 90 minutes flying” 3) as of right now, they don’t have enough votes from the big east to get in... obviously, this is being seriously considered if the conference is voting on it/setting up test runs.

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    The real issue is all of the other sports we play. GU basketball might make sense, but the travel for all of the other teams? Not sure it makes sense. We're limited by geography and school type.
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    can we stay in WCC for everything else,
    and go independent for basketball?
    basketball Gonzaga U. like Notre Dame in football ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagsGoZags View Post
    can we stay in WCC for everything else,
    and go independent for basketball?
    basketball Gonzaga U. like Notre Dame in football ?
    Without the $ that the Zags MBB bring to the league office, pretty sure the other GU sports would be asked to close the door behind them.
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    Gonzaga has been waiting for the WCC to improve for 20 years. This is as good as it will get

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    It would be impossible for a team to be independent in D-1 basketball due to all of the conference expansion that has happened. There aren't any scheduling gaps during league season anymore.

    A lot of the talk regarding this is going to center around the WCC and its lack of improvement, but from GU's perspective, I think they are more concerned about what is happening outside the WCC.

    With power-5 conference re-alignment and expansion, and more conference games being played, it's going to be increasingly difficult for GU to schedule homes and homes in the future. Another issue are all these made for TV neutral floor events like the Champions Classic and the CBS Sports Classic that involve teams that Gonzaga wants to play. The heavy hitters. I think GU is fearful that it's going to get to the point where even a really good non-blue blood BCS team will only play in a Turkey Tournament, and then play a BCS heavy hitter on a neutral floor and that's it. The rest of their non-league games will be against the Arkansas Pine-Bluff's of the world. I think they fear not being able to assemble an at large resume like they used to. This will result in crummy seeds and more years where they must win the WCC tournament to get in the dance. I feel this is a legitimate concern. That it could cause the program to regress. Also, add on to this the possibility of BYU leaving and some BCS AD getting smart and offering Randy Bennett a 25 million buck coaching contract. The WCC, in its infinite stupidity, will go add some 225+ RPI team to replace BYU, making the league worse than it was before BYU joined and St. Mary's elevated itself. And also taking away two valuable non-league games from Gonzaga. I mean, at the end of the day, I would rather play a consistent winner like Belmont or VCU than a new WCC team like Denver.

    I know one college basketball analyst who still feels it was an awful mistake to bring BYU into the league. Before you had a situation with Gonzaga at the top and St. Mary's chasing their tail. But there was that 3rd spot. This analyst feels that WCC teams more than ever thru in the towel when BYU joined. They felt they had zero ability to compete, and that is why you are not seeing improvement. Remember all that talk about Pepperdine building a small but state of the art gym? Maybe it's still under consideration, but I have heard zilch. The idea might've been tossed into the Pacific Ocean as soon as BYU joined the WCC.

    I find it interesting at the end when Norlander says that he wouldn't be surprised to see GU in a new league by 2027 (or whatever year it was), and that the Pac 12 needs Gonzaga more than the Big East does.

    Also, it isn't just an extra 1.5 hours to fly from Spokane to New York City as opposed to San Jose. More like 3 hours, plus a pit stop in between to get gasoline. In the end I just don't see it happening because teams like Georgetown and St. John's really have no interest in flying to Spokane to play some 11PM ET league game, even if it's Gonzaga. The Big East can get 4 or 5 teams in the dance regularly. There isn't enough upside.

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    I just read another article talking about how with the ACC and Big 10 moving to 20 games in conference that it will most likely lead to removing some tougher games from their non-conference schedules. The article was from a website similar to the Slipper Still Fits but for Marquette and the concern from the writer was in the reduction of available tough non-conference match-ups and the importance of moving to a 20 game conference schedule themselves. However, they only have 10 teams so they would need to add 11 to accomplish that and they would obviously want it to be a school that was a high-level performer. The two schools mentioned were UConn and Gonzaga and the drawbacks for each are that UConn is heavily focused on its football team and Gonzaga's distance.

    In terms of basketball it is almost laughable that some of these other BE schools think that it would be too far to travel. If they adopted the 20 game schedule with home and away, that means that each school would have to travel ONCE to Spokane each season. Gonzaga in contrast would have to travel further distances 10 times and they have the mentality that hey 2 or 3 extra hours on a plane is not that big of a deal. The BE is seeking legitimacy after losing Syracuse, UConn, Louisville and they have done a great job so far but adding GU would make them that much more credible.

    The biggest issue is, as others have stated, is the other sports and who knows maybe no one is worried about traveling for basketball at all; maybe just all of the other sports.

    I think we have really figured out how to be successful in utilizing the WCC to bring along talented freshman and allow the transfers and new players to completely gel before the tournament. So we will continue to be successful in the WCC, however, the teams are just atrociously bad (save St. Mary's) and it is not exciting basketball. If I was a recruit I would not want to play against those teams, I just wouldn't. As a fan I would love to see us battling with multiple top 25 teams every year in conference.

    The BE is all about putting basketball first, just like we are. It would be the first national conference and I think that both the conference and GU would benefit from this. More money for GU in TV contracts and tournament money that we can use to continue to expand facilities and that combined with a better conference will allow us to recruit better players. I happen to believe that Mark Few is one of the best coaches in the country and if he had access to the same recruits as some of the big boys he would do what he did last year, almost every year.

    Honestly, for us it makes sense. We fly all over the place in non-conference trying to get good games so we would just flip it and fly more in conference and stay closer to home for non-conference. Not a big deal. The big question is whether the BE willing to make this happen and unfortunately for us this is are only real option for moving conferences and it will be a tough sell.

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    I listen and I think the guy who commented as a 2nd voice was more realistic. Several things line up against Big East membership. geography is huge.....no no....really huge. These kids are students and the 6-8 trips east would just be incredibly hard on them. Plus if we'd have to involve, softball, baseball, and so on....the deal would die. Why? BB makes money, the others do not. Also, the difficulty going back and forth would apply to the other sports as well.
    I love the idea of a better league but until we get a "way back" (Loved Rocky and Bullwinkle)or some time travel molecular machine who can send us to another time zone immediately, this is just too tall for college kids.

    Also, I 've never heard anything like "votes" being taken to admit or deny entry to the Big East. These two games ( ie Jays and Nova) are not experiments.....never hear that from either AD's. Just some games with comparable schools. Convenient the Big East guys were looking for Jesuit schools to play. As many know, Creighton's been on the agenda for years.

    Nobody doubts the value of a better league. Seems like it's just too complicated/impractical. If the Big East could develop a WesternDivision, maybe.....nothing so far though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    I listen and I think the guy who commented as a 2nd voice was more realistic. Several things line up against Big East membership. geography is huge.....no no....really huge. These kids are students and the 6-8 trips east would just be incredibly hard on them. Plus if we'd have to involve, softball, baseball, and so on....the deal would die. Why? BB makes money, the others do not. Also, the difficulty going back and forth would apply to the other sports as well.
    I love the idea of a better league but until we get a "way back" (Loved Rocky and Bullwinkle)or some time travel molecular machine who can send us to another time zone immediately, this is just too tall for college kids.
    The fact that this would be hardest on GU is the most interesting part about this whole thing. The BE is saying, oh the travel would be so hard but in reality for most sports it means one longer plane trip to Spokane each year. I am trying to think if there is another sport that would require the Big East teams to travel to Spokane more, maybe rowing and cross country (but maybe these would just be on the east coast for GU).

    To be honest my opinion mirrors that of Gonzaga in that I think that college athletics normally requires a lot of travel anyways so what is the big difference in 2 or 3 extra hours on a plane. You are going to have to spend the night wherever you go anyways. Also, we usually travel a ton in our non-conference so if they were to move to the BE they could cut the travel in that area which might equal out over the whole season.

    The biggest difference would be for the other sports as they probably don't travel as much as the basketball teams, however, this would be a great opportunity for them to continue to increase their competitiveness in all sports.
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    Here are some "IFs" to think about regarding joining the BE...

    1. Who is the other team joining BE besides us (SMC, SCU, USF...). Whichever school in might be would have to consider the below issues.

    2. The BE would have to be split into two divisions an East and West.

    3. To limit traveling across the continent "every week," an unbalanced schedule would have to be implemented, where we would only play each East team once a season and that way only three teams would have to travel west or east, where each BE team would only play 16 conference games and then four BE tournament games.

    4. Saving money and time on east coast trips...teams might have to stay on the road for three games as this would optimize travel dollars; however, this would keep kids out of classes much longer than usual but would still leave ample time for course work.

    5. Competition level would rise immensely and GU winning 30 games would be a most difficult task. On the other hand, I believe recruiting of US 4/5 star recruits would be easier as our recruiting base would increase in size.

    6. Income from joining the BE would IMO increase substantially but we wouldn't be on ESPN but rather I believe a CBS affiliate.

    7. What to do with the non-revenue sports...where would they play? I would bet all my money the WCC will not open it's arms and let them continue to play in that league. Maybe, the Mountain West or the Big Sky would take them for a price!

    8. This would also effect the Women's team so I'd assume they would have to be included in this conversation BUT IMO they would be all for it.

    9. What about the start-up costs for both men's and women's teams to join the BE. Would there be an initiation fee? If so, how much and who would pay it - not the school but most likely Alumni.

    10. What about all the NCAA Tournament money over the next five years...would GU still get their slice of the pie or would the conference keep it for the remaining eight schools?


    Sure, as fans we would all like GU to leave WCC and play in a "better" league but there would be many issues...I am sure more than I mentioned above.

    Would it be practical for GU to leave for the BE just so it's fan base have better home games to watch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogozags View Post

    3. To limit traveling across the continent "every week," an unbalanced schedule would have to be implemented, where we would only play each East team once a season and that way only three teams would have to travel west or east, where each BE team would only play 16 conference games and then four BE tournament games.
    This. Good suggestion.

    C'mon, we're overthinking it; if not for geography/travel constraints, we would have joined the Big East years ago. Perfect fit from an athletics, affiliation, & association standpoint.

    We have to get creative to mitigate this issue, such as Bogo posted.

    I say we build a satellite arena in Minneapolis for Conference games, that way, we can meet in the middle with all these East teams, direct/easy flights, and I can watch all the games in person!

    Hey, there are a TON of Zag fans in MN, just sayin'....Pohlad family lives here too, bet they'd be throw down.

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    " Don't mess with happy ".........

    The WCC has not prevented Gonzaga from getting a high ranking and a high seed...... in fact... it is just about a automatic bid to the NCAA..... and they can participate in nearly any early season tournament and schedule marque games in the non conference...

    Gonzaga needs the WCC more than the Conference needs them.
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    Conference games are half a season i.e. January - March.

    It would be once every other week to play 2 games on the East Coast.

    I chuckle at the travel issues.

    What do NBA teams do? And they play multiple games EVERY week all over the country. Both coasts. Being a student athlete doesn't matter -- more time to study/homework on the plane ride, if anything.

    We could be savvy with the travel and schedule. When we play St Johns we drive over and play Seton Hall, etc.

    Then two teams from 'over there' come to play us the next week in Spokane (where we'll be for 2 more wks). Better than OOC schedule most years.

    Everyone, including the officials and boards, are overthinking it.

    Just think about OOC play for a minute. November - January. Nearly the same length. Well, we travel to Bahamas, Hawaii, New York, Orlando, East Coast, Mid-West, etc etc. It was worse years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post

    Gonzaga needs the WCC more than the Conference needs them.
    Stop. Works both ways.

    One time, maybe twice in last 19 seasons we needed to win the WCC Tournament to get in. We were headed for an auto bid in every year prior...

    Also, WCC allows almost zero margin for error. We have to play perfect in OOC and esp WCC play. We are the marquee game for every single WCC team, including BYU and SMC.

    In another conference, we could develop our bench or role players in OOC play. We don't have to hit the ground running every season, requiring us to beat every Power 5 team we play, save the Top-10 match-ups. Not to mention, ANY loss in Conference is generally worth 3 or 4 seed lines, and national criticism, significant drop in rankings, etc. Scheduling could be more evenly spaced, and even better before conference season. Less travel. Pick and choose.

    Perfection in conference play is expected, moreso now than ever.

    We could go .500 in Big East and still be in the discussion to get in...with arguably a better seed. Gonzaga has to go 30-1 to get Top seed. We lose a handful of games, 27-5 is a 8 or 9 seed for us. Maybe bit better given our name-brand these days, but still...

    Point is, our standard of play, pedigree, brand, and program deserve a promotion.

    Ever have a bad day at work? or call in sick? Well, Gonzaga doesn't have the luxury. In the Big East, its forgiven, esp early season. Not to mention, simply more competitive overall, and into March.
    “You’ve got to hit the Zag standard.”

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    I just don't think the cross country travel will ever happen for all of the reasons stated above. I know absolutely ZERO about this subject, but it seems much more reasonable that GU and maybe St Mary's or BYU would join the PAC12. I could live with playing those teams. Not sure if we're wanted, if we want it, or how it would impact the other sports at GU. Is this stupid on my part? Has it already been considered and dismissed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagsGoZags View Post
    can we stay in WCC for everything else,
    and go independent for basketball?
    basketball Gonzaga U. like Notre Dame in football ?
    Maybe Gonzaga can field a JV team that would stay in the WCC and send the 'Big Boy' team to play in the Big East.
    It's not funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amaronizag View Post
    I just don't think the cross country travel will ever happen for all of the reasons stated above. I know absolutely ZERO about this subject, but it seems much more reasonable that GU and maybe St Mary's or BYU would join the PAC12. I could live with playing those teams. Not sure if we're wanted, if we want it, or how it would impact the other sports at GU. Is this stupid on my part? Has it already been considered and dismissed?
    Or what if we took St Mary's, BYU, and Gonzaga to join with the Mountain West?

    At least an uptick in competitive play, and we would add serious credibility to said conference.

    Gonzaga, San Diego St, BYU, St Marys, Boise St, UNLV, Nevada, even Wyoming (always solid) would be an interesting bball conference.

    Although, St Mary's would never go for it, as they'd probably love if Gonzaga left WCC. You would think the opposite, as we are their biggest game of the year, yet you get the sense they are dying to be a Big Fish in a Small Pond. You can tell this in how they schedule and how Randy Bennett shakes hands. lol
    “You’ve got to hit the Zag standard.”

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    It seems that the only way it could work is, as was stated above, a conference with east and west divisions. Within the division it is home and home, for the other division it alternates each year, With 8 team divisions, it would be two trips back east each regular season, playing Th-Sat, or Fri-Sun (of course that would eliminate BYU as a travel partner).

    The other sports would have to travel for play on the same trips whenever possible. It does seem that many of the other sports (not WBB) play outside of conference play a lot. I am not familiar with most, so can't really address that.

    The Zags and the WCC seem like a good fit, aside from most of the other teams not improving, but several just got new, high profile, head coaches, so we really need to see how that pans out before we toss out the bath water.
    It's not funny.

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    BE West makes too much sense......with 2 Big East East trips once a year ..... 2 games with adjacent schools..... BE West might be GU, SMC, Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Saint Loo.... Catholick' college prexies, not lowly ADs, need to get in a room in Hawaii and make it happen. Only prob: There's no great Dave Gavitt to kick their buttz. SMC game site an issue; hafta move to SF place. Even Zags may need an occasional larger venue for the likes of Nova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    " Don't mess with happy ".........

    The WCC has been not prevented Gonzaga from getting a high ranking and a high seed...... in fact... it is just about a automatic bid to the NCAA..... and they can participate in nearly any early season tournament and schedule marque games in the non conference...

    Gonzaga needs the WCC more than the Conference needs them.
    Are you kidding me? Without us the WCC is worse than the Southland Concerence

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    Quote Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme View Post
    Are you kidding me? Without us the WCC is worse than the Southland Concerence
    And when the ESPN deal collapses due to bankruptcy we better be prepared to make a move. CBS will be limited in which conferences they bring on.

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