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    I don't think Josh is going to end up getting any school records except the most important. That is I'm confident that Josh will end up having the most NCAA tournament wins of any Gonzaga player ever and its likely a record that will last a long, long time.

    Meanwhile he is likely going to be a top ten scorer, top 5 assist man, top 5 in steals and top 5 in 3's made. One hell of a career!

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    From memory - (Maybe someone with better research skills can fill in the gaps, correct my errors?)


    Most NCAA wins

    Karnowski 10
    Melson 10
    Perkins 7
    Calvary 7
    Pangos 6
    Bell 6
    Nigel Williams Goss 5
    Santangelo 5
    Frahm 5

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    For Perkins to lay claim to the record for most career NCAA Tourney wins, he's going to have to pass Melson. That would require 4 wins in '19. Possible, but certainly not guaranteed. Melson will be the current leader after this year's Tourney. I'm gonna go ahead and assume the Zags win at least one game, because when is the last time GU was one and done? Been a long, long time. Sweet 16 or better is also very possible.

    edited--I'm taking former1dog's word for it per the above post

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    Like I said, it’s an outside chance. I do think he has a better shot at the assist record than anything else. I think he averages 5+ assists this year. If he increases that to 6 next year, it’s going to be real close. Like SeaCat showed, The Zags would have to make the final 4 next year for Josh to hold that record. Losing in the elite 8 would leave him tied with Silas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    From memory - (Maybe someone with better research skills can fill in the gaps, correct my errors?)


    Most NCAA wins

    Karnowski 10
    Melson 10
    Perkins 7
    Calvary 7
    Pangos 6
    Bell 6
    Nigel Williams Goss 5
    Santangelo 5
    Frahm 5
    Know you're not including everyone former, but I always like to give Mark Spink his props. Graduated with Calvary, so was in that group with the 1st big run.

    There were only 10 players on that 98-99 team but they all played; Spink was a RS Soph. By his Sr. year he had developed into the WCC DPOY. Had a good run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingon50 View Post
    Know you're not including everyone former, but I always like to give Mark Spink his props. Graduated with Calvary, so was in that group with the 1st big run.

    There were only 10 players on that 98-99 team but they all played; Spink was a RS Soph. By his Sr. year he had developed into the WCC DPOY. Had a good run.

    I'm a big Mark Spink fan. I attended school with his older brother who is a really nice guy and he also played ball for GU. It crossed my mind that he was probably on that list and thought maybe he might be ahead of Calvary even, but I couldn't remember for sure. That list is just from memory, so sorry for the omission and I hope someone comes along and sets that list straight.

    Also Seacatfan has a good point about Melson, but I would love to see Josh make a run to the final four next year to knock off Melson!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    I'm a big Mark Spink fan. I attended school with his older brother who is a really nice guy and he also played ball for GU. It crossed my mind that he was probably on that list and thought maybe he might be ahead of Calvary even, but I couldn't remember for sure. That list is just from memory, so sorry for the omission and I hope someone comes along and sets that list straight.

    Also Seacatfan has a good point about Melson, but I would love to see Josh make a run to the final four next year to knock off Melson!!
    Clearly the more the better, regardless.

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    Gonzaga Streak Length
    Tournament Appearances 19
    Round of 32 9
    Sweet 16 3
    Final Four 1

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    If Wiltjer gets to count his Tourney wins while at Kentucky wouldn't he be the current leader w/ 11? They cut down the nets his Fr. year I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seacatfan View Post
    If Wiltjer gets to count his Tourney wins while at Kentucky wouldn't he be the current leader w/ 11? They cut down the nets his Fr. year I believe.
    I'm calculating Gonzaga records. Wiltjer's wins at Kentucky don't count for the purposes of these calculations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seacatfan View Post
    If Wiltjer gets to count his Tourney wins while at Kentucky wouldn't he be the current leader w/ 11? They cut down the nets his Fr. year I believe.
    I should also note that I didn't go into see if each player played during each win, other than the obvious ones like Rem Bakamus. So, there are likely adjustments there that may make my numbers a bit off.

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    Any idea who is the overall Tourney win player? Just to put it context with our guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by former1dog View Post
    I'm calculating Gonzaga records. Wiltjer's wins at Kentucky don't count for the purposes of these calculations.
    Yes, I understand this is Tourney wins while at Gonzaga. Just thought it was worth noting. I can't think of any other transfers that experienced significant success in the post season. Mathews might've gotten 1 or 2 Tourney wins while at Cal. Pretty sure NWG and JWIII were both goose eggs and zero Tourney appearances prior to transferring. Dickau, Knight, don't think UW did much during their tenures either. I might be forgetting somebody but I think Wiltjer is the exception in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagzKrak View Post
    Any idea who is the overall Tourney win player? Just to put it context with our guys.
    Probably a Dookie. Back when they were going to the Final 4 just about every year. Laettner (21) or Hurley (18) or Hill (18), probably one of those guys. Certainly biased toward era of 64 team field and Fr. eligibility.

    edited--Goes w/out saying it would have to be a 4 year player, which really narrows the field, especially in more recent years. Tyler Hansbrough (14) racked up quite a few Tourney W's while at Carolina. If the Heels do anything this year Joel Berry (13) will have a nice total.

    Most of UCLA's guys during the Howland era didn't stay 4 years, but Darren Collison (14) did. I think he was part of all 3 Final 4 teams. One Championship appearance. So that's at least 13 wins, plus whatever they did his Sr. year.

    Even though they only stayed 3 years the core of Florida's back to back Championship teams got plenty of W's. Noah, Horford and Brewer (13).

    edited again, I went thru and checked on a few of these guys and added win totals in paranthesis

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    Quote Originally Posted by seacatfan View Post
    Yes, I understand this is Tourney wins while at Gonzaga. Just thought it was worth noting. I can't think of any other transfers that experienced significant success in the post season. Mathews might've gotten 1 or 2 Tourney wins while at Cal. Pretty sure NWG and JWIII were both goose eggs and zero Tourney appearances prior to transferring. Dickau, Knight, don't think UW did much during their tenures either. I might be forgetting somebody but I think Wiltjer is the exception in this regard.
    Yep, definitely worth noting.

    Following up on my other comment, it looks like the list I created is likely off considering some end of the bench guys getting credit for wins they didn't play in.

    For example, Jeremy Jones I have listed as 5 wins. He played in only 4 and was a DNP against South Carolina. I suspect a few other win totals might be off on this basis, like Dranginis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagzKrak View Post
    Any idea who is the overall Tourney win player? Just to put it context with our guys.
    Christian Laettner won 21 NCAA tournament games including back to back to back national title games, winning the last 2.

    In 1991 Duke beat undefeated and heavily favored UNLV in the National Semifinals.


    Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) was undefeated in the NCAA tournament and I believe was 12-0, but freshman weren't allowed to play so he missed out on 4 national championships and a potential 16-0 record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagzKrak View Post
    Any idea who is the overall Tourney win player? Just to put it context with our guys.
    Okay, after all my rambling, according to wikipedia the winner is Christian Laettner. Played in 23 Tournament games in his career, 24 is the max number possible. 21 wins. Pretty amazing. Still hate him though.

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    Thanks for the hard work, F1!
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    Great stuff F1! Thanks!
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