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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
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    I don't quit get the cynicism that others are showing.
    Don't Physicians get payments from drug companies ??? Don't retailers get money from distributors??? Don't car salesmen get money from banks and warrantee companies ? Don't prominent people get money to promote a product ???....." bribery" is at the core of marketing...call them incentives....... finder fees........ the good old Wall Street good will payments.....

    There are likely NCAA violations here but crimes ??? That remains to be proven...of course it is a crime to lie to the FBI or fail to pay income taxes on taxable income....

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    Can someone find Bill Walton and ask him about the conference of champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    That being said, Kyle Wiltjer's commitment to UK, right under GU's nose, without a visit and almost out of the blue certainly gives one pause given these circumstances.
    This would imply that Kyle and his family accepted some sort of benefits.

    Are you sure you want to "pause?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    Don't Physicians get payments from drug companies ??? Don't retailers get money from distributors??? Don't car salesmen get money from banks and warrantee companies ? Don't prominent people get money to promote a product ???....." bribery" is at the core of marketing...call them incentives....... finder fees........ the good old Wall Street good will payments.....

    There are likely NCAA violations here but crimes ??? That remains to be proven...of course it is a crime to lie to the FBI or fail to pay income taxes on taxable income....
    Physicians better not be getting payments from drug companies in 2017. If they are and they get caught they'll be up the same creek. As for the other examples, there's no hiding any of that. It's legal. It's reported. It's all above board.

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    The president at UL just met with both Pitino and Jurich and asked them to resign, apparently Jurich refused and was told he was being fired:

    https://www.cardchronicle.com/2017/9...cs-greg-postel

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    The FBI’s investigation of college basketball corruption, explained

    What are the charges?

    Jim Gatto, Merl Code, Christian Dawkins, Jonathan Augustine, and Munish Sood face charges of:
    •Wire fraud conspiracy
    •Two counts of wire fraud
    •Money laundering conspiracy

    Lamont Evans, Emanuel Richardson, Anthony Bland, Christian Dawkins, and Munish Sood face charges of:
    •Conspiracy to commit bribery
    •Solicitation of bribes and gratuities by an agent of a federally-funded organization (Lamont Evans, Emanuel Richardson, and Anthony Bland)
    •Solicitation of bribes and gratuities by an agent of a federally-funded organization (Christian Dawkins and Munish Sood)
    •Conspiracy to commit Honest Services Fraud
    •Honest services wire fraud (South Carolina, Oklahoma State, Arizona, USC)
    •Wire fraud conspiracy
    •Travel act conspiracy

    Chuck Person and Rashan Michel face charges of:
    •Conspiracy
    •Solicitation of bribes
    •Conspiracy to commit honest services fraud
    •Honest services fraud
    •Conspiracy to commit wire fraud
    •Travel act conspiracy
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoZarth View Post
    This would imply that Kyle and his family accepted some sort of benefits.

    Are you sure you want to "pause?"
    Certainly makes you wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsmoove View Post
    The president at UL just met with both Pitino and Jurich and asked them to resign, apparently Jurich refused and was told he was being fired:

    https://www.cardchronicle.com/2017/9...cs-greg-postel
    both were fired according to Washington post
    Bring back the OCC

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    Quote Originally Posted by kclubfounder View Post
    Physicians better not be getting payments from drug companies in 2017. If they are and they get caught they'll be up the same creek. As for the other examples, there's no hiding any of that. It's legal. It's reported. It's all above board.
    They get samples and give them out...I suspect every elected official accepts campaign contributions from individuals and companies that expect something in return....that is also all above board ???

    If the vaunted FBI and Justice could not end or convict the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge .....I am not so impressed by their competence .....conspiracy is apparently difficult to prove to a jury

    Fine...... if crimes were committed..... prosecute them....but as usual, Jazz has a point....back to the scandal .....sorry for the diversion .

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    The NYC fed attorneys are notoriously headline-hungry, it's been that way forever. Not sure who the victims are here. Jay Bilas, looking more bald and pasty faced than ever, said yesterday it was the colleges and universities, that they were being unfairly scandalized by terrible assistant coaches. Ha, typical blue blood response. In that town, this is tiny potatoes; there is more criminality in the Big Apple than any fed can shake a stick it, big stuff, venal stuff, life and death stuff.

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    Colin cowherd is leading off his show and it mentioned Mark Few three times as a guy who does it right and got into coaching for all the right reasons. Perfect free Publicity. Proud to be a Zag

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stache View Post
    Colin cowherd is leading off his show and it mentioned Mark Few three times as a guy who does it right and got into coaching for all the right reasons. Perfect free Publicity. Proud to be a Zag
    Said that way back on this here thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stache View Post
    Colin cowherd is leading off his show and it mentioned Mark Few three times as a guy who does it right and got into coaching for all the right reasons. Perfect free Publicity. Proud to be a Zag
    According to some posters, who cares if he does it the right way? Might as well join the corrupt acts of others since the FBI should spend their time on "more important things."


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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    They get samples and give them out...I suspect every elected official accepts campaign contributions from individuals and companies that expect something in return....that is also all above board ???

    If the vaunted FBI and Justice could not end or convict the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge .....I am not so impressed by their competence .....conspiracy is apparently difficult to prove to a jury

    Fine...... if crimes were committed..... prosecute them....but as usual, Jazz has a point....back to the scandal .....sorry for the diversion .
    Um yeah... the stats don't agree with you. Currently federal prosecutors tout above a 95% conviction rate. This is primarily due to the fact that most cases never make it to trial. Most defendants end up taking a plea bargain rather then risk a potentially much greater prison sentence which could be dealt them if they actual went to trial and lost. The AZ assistant is facing 60 years in prison. Tell me he won't plea, turn state's witness and point fingers at everyone he can. This is the way it works. It is going to be a fun ride. GU seems well positioned to ride this out, but this is going to massively damage college basketball.

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    "A.D. Mike Roth “very confident” Gonzaga following recruiting rules"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWZag View Post
    According to some posters, who cares if he does it the right way? Might as well join the corrupt acts of others since the FBI should spend their time on "more important things."


    I, for one, am proud of coaches who do things the right way.
    Conflation is dishonest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    Conflation is dishonest...
    Then you don't have a problem with the current FBI work? Good to hear, some on here had me concerned.
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    "Five-star 2018 prospect decommits from Auburn"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stache View Post
    Colin cowherd is leading off his show and it mentioned Mark Few three times as a guy who does it right and got into coaching for all the right reasons. Perfect free Publicity. Proud to be a Zag
    I love Gonzaga. I love Mark Few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    Don't Physicians get payments from drug companies ??? Don't retailers get money from distributors??? Don't car salesmen get money from banks and warrantee companies ? Don't prominent people get money to promote a product ???....." bribery" is at the core of marketing...call them incentives....... finder fees........ the good old Wall Street good will payments.....

    There are likely NCAA violations here but crimes ??? That remains to be proven...of course it is a crime to lie to the FBI or fail to pay income taxes on taxable income....
    Medicine has been cleaned up quite a bit, and sonewhat prophylacically by the drug companies. It is nowhere near what my old-school colleagues describe. We also have Stark laws to clean up corruption. Medicare fraud is a multi
    Billion dollar problem, if memory serves, with many dollars being recovered from perpetrators.

    I think car salesmen get paid commissions.

    I can't speak to the other stuff.

    These guys in this case are being charged with wire fraud and such, and actual statutes are referenced in the indictment, so I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that the defendants are being accused of breaking actual laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    "It began when a prominent financial planner from the sports world was ensnared in a securities fraud case and turned into a cooperating witness. He was able to bring an undercover FBI agent along as a supposed assistant for meetings, payouts, recorded conversations and so on."

    https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-...184524346.html
    Just another Hen(d)ry Hill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagceo View Post
    Just another Henry Hill
    You mean "Hendry?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gu03alum View Post
    both were fired according to Washington post
    I suppose they could always call Eddie Sutton...
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    They get samples and give them out..
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    The real shady stuff is when specialists (who have been reliably Rx'ing new medicines) are invited to "speak" at a "conference" to "other doctors about the medicine" and what will happen is the person will get a $10K check to simply have lunch with 3 other people, sometimes doctors.

    I suspect every elected official accepts campaign contributions from individuals and companies that expect something in return....that is also all above board ???
    Nothing could be further below board. But, the Supreme Court ruled that without an "express" quid pro quo "campaign contributions alone do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption."

    If the vaunted FBI and Justice could not end or convict the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge .....I am not so impressed by their competence .....conspiracy is apparently difficult to prove to a jury
    You would be highly impressed by their competence if they were coming after you. They are extremely good at what they do.

    Fine...... if crimes were committed..... prosecute them....but as usual, Jazz has a point....back to the scandal .....sorry for the diversion
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    Exactly.

    But, fines have to be large enough that there isn't a net profit. Otherwise, it perpetuates it. Fines become a "cost of doing business."

    If a head coach ever spent time in jail, I doubt this would ever happen again.
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