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    Quote Originally Posted by willandi View Post
    Would the schools in question not have to release them from their LOI? If they have attended summer school, wouldn't it also affect eligibility?

    Curious minds want to know!
    They graduate in 2018 and don't sign LOI until sometime later this year.
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    Pitino: "Our fans and supporters deserve better and I am committed to taking whatever steps are needed to ensure those responsible are held accountable."


    Chairman of the Board of Trustee University of Louisville: "Heartened to hear you say that, Coach. Now, if you can just commit to typing up a 2 sentence letter of resignation, we can move on to Step 2 out of the 150 we've outlined so far."

    This will not stop until:

    1. Sanctions follow head coaches wherever they go and hit the coach's pocket book specifically.
    2. Sanctions involve a percentage of basketball revenue and not the type that hurt opportunities for future student athletes,

    As an example, if Pacific University and Kentucky both commit the same violation, they are both fined 10% of their BB revenue for however many years. And the coaches forfeit 10% of their salary (or more).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radbooks View Post
    They graduate in 2018 and don't sign LOI until sometime later this year.
    Taeshon Cherry

    Bland worked closely with USC’s most highly rated recruit in years, Taeshon Cherry of San Diego St. Augustine High, who would be part of the 2018 class. Cherry cited his relationship with Bland as a reason for committing to the Trojans.

    This may not bode well for Cherry's eligibility going forward in NCAA Div. 1A. If any of these kids are found to have received an improper benefit they are no longer eligible to play. Might not be smart to go after some of these guys unless the staff is 1000% certain they are clean.

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    Sources: Basketball agency ASM Sports was raided today. FBI had warrant, took Andy Miller's computer.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/r...investigation/

    For those of you who don't know who Andy Miller is he is one of the biggest NBA agents in the business. Porzingis is one of his clients and also someone who signed a monster deal with Adidas.

    Andy Miller, a prominent agent with the company who represents Kristaps Porzingis, Kyle Lowry, Serge Ibaka, Myles Turner, Austin Rivers and many others, reportedly had his computer confiscated by the FBI. FBI documents show a connection between several of the college basketball coaches arrested on Tuesday and Christian Dawkins, who worked for ASM until he was terminated in May.

    http://hoopshype.com/reps/andy-miller/ List of Andy's NBA clients
    http://www.asmsports.com/asm-family ASM Clients

    Do a search and see where these players played their college ball.............................................. ........

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    Word on the street is that Texas was the school who was trying to outbid Louisville for Bowen's signature. Looks like they will be next up on the chopping block as the FBI investigation continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballzag View Post
    Word on the street is that Texas was the school who was trying to outbid Louisville for Bowen's signature. Looks like they will be next up on the chopping block as the FBI investigation continues.
    I sure hope Hepa factors this possibility into his decision-making.
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    Has any pundit suggested why this probe was launched, why among thousands of criminal enterprises in this country, the FBI chose to spend considerable resources on this relatively inconsequential transgression? This is certainly not a life or death situation; if anything it's a lifestyle crime. PR value is certainly a contributing factor. But is their a political reason? An economic one? Such multiyear, multimillion dollar investigations have a life of their own. Someone, some influence put a bug in the ear of the Feds. These things don't happen serendipitously. Any guesses? One way to start, who gets hurt the most.. the schools, the head coaches, CBS, ESPN? Sure, but probably just bruised. Who gets hurt more? Adidas, as a German based company their exposure is somewhat limited. But they are stained and who stands to gain? Fill in the blanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Has any pundit suggested why this probe was launched.. why among thousands of criminal enterprises in this country, the FBI chose to spend considerable resources on this relatively inconsequential transgression? PR value is certainly a contributing factor. But is their a political reason? An economic one? Such multiyear, multimillion dollar investigations have a life of their own.
    Maybe the FBI wants to make the NCAA great again.

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    This investigation is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth, like gefilte fish, lutefisk, a clam milkshake or maybe chicken tartar. What an effing mess this is gonna be for NCAA BB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Has any pundit suggested why this probe was launched, why among thousands of criminal enterprises in this country, the FBI chose to spend considerable resources on this relatively inconsequential transgression? This is certainly not a life or death situation; if anything it's a lifestyle crime. PR value is certainly a contributing factor. But is their a political reason? An economic one? Such multiyear, multimillion dollar investigations have a life of their own. Someone, some influence put a bug in the ear of the Feds. These things don't happen serendipitously. Any guesses? One way to start, who gets hurt the most.. the schools, the head coaches, CBS, ESPN? Sure, but probably just bruised. Who gets hurt more? Adidas, as a German based company their exposure is somewhat limited. But they are stained and who stands to gain? Fill in the blanks.

    College hoops is more interesting than Hillary's emails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagaZags View Post
    Maybe the FBI wants to make the NCAA great again.
    Great guess, only the Tweeter knows for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Has any pundit suggested why this probe was launched, why among thousands of criminal enterprises in this country, the FBI chose to spend considerable resources on this relatively inconsequential transgression? This is certainly not a life or death situation; if anything it's a lifestyle crime. PR value is certainly a contributing factor. But is their a political reason? An economic one? Such multiyear, multimillion dollar investigations have a life of their own. Someone, some influence put a bug in the ear of the Feds. These things don't happen serendipitously. Any guesses? One way to start, who gets hurt the most.. the schools, the head coaches, CBS, ESPN? Sure, but probably just bruised. Who gets hurt more? Adidas, as a German based company their exposure is somewhat limited. But they are stained and who stands to gain? Fill in the blanks.
    Corruption is corruption. Would you say that it's good to get rid of corruption or that some corruption isn't so bad? If this were a different situation, say, a company paying government officials go be quiet about claims that a vehicle gets better mileage than it actually does. That's not a life and death situation. Does that mean it's ok? Should it not be investigated because it may help a rival car company or because it may look political? Or any other type of bribe? And who's to say those thousand of other criminal enterprises aren't be investigated? As far as I'm concerned, some people in the NCAA arena have been running a criminal enterprise as we've seen in the arrests made.

    This investigation started three years ago. Around 2014.

    I'm glad this investigation took place and actions are now taking place. Corruption is the root of many of the world's problems, and it always starts small and grows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Has any pundit suggested why this probe was launched, why among thousands of criminal enterprises in this country, the FBI chose to spend considerable resources on this relatively inconsequential transgression? This is certainly not a life or death situation; if anything it's a lifestyle crime. PR value is certainly a contributing factor. But is their a political reason? An economic one? Such multiyear, multimillion dollar investigations have a life of their own. Someone, some influence put a bug in the ear of the Feds. These things don't happen serendipitously. Any guesses? One way to start, who gets hurt the most.. the schools, the head coaches, CBS, ESPN? Sure, but probably just bruised. Who gets hurt more? Adidas, as a German based company their exposure is somewhat limited. But they are stained and who stands to gain? Fill in the blanks.
    The FBI is a huge organization with field offices all over the country that specialize in different criminal areas. There are plenty of people/resources to go around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Has any pundit suggested why this probe was launched, why among thousands of criminal enterprises in this country, the FBI chose to spend considerable resources on this relatively inconsequential transgression? This is certainly not a life or death situation; if anything it's a lifestyle crime. PR value is certainly a contributing factor. But is their a political reason? An economic one? Such multiyear, multimillion dollar investigations have a life of their own. Someone, some influence put a bug in the ear of the Feds. These things don't happen serendipitously. Any guesses? One way to start, who gets hurt the most.. the schools, the head coaches, CBS, ESPN? Sure, but probably just bruised. Who gets hurt more? Adidas, as a German based company their exposure is somewhat limited. But they are stained and who stands to gain? Fill in the blanks.
    Head of the FBI want Yale to win a NC and needs to thin the field a bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Has any pundit suggested why this probe was launched, why among thousands of criminal enterprises in this country, the FBI chose to spend considerable resources on this relatively inconsequential transgression? This is certainly not a life or death situation; if anything it's a lifestyle crime. PR value is certainly a contributing factor. But is their a political reason? An economic one? Such multiyear, multimillion dollar investigations have a life of their own. Someone, some influence put a bug in the ear of the Feds. These things don't happen serendipitously. Any guesses? One way to start, who gets hurt the most.. the schools, the head coaches, CBS, ESPN? Sure, but probably just bruised. Who gets hurt more? Adidas, as a German based company their exposure is somewhat limited. But they are stained and who stands to gain? Fill in the blanks.
    "It began when a prominent financial planner from the sports world was ensnared in a securities fraud case and turned into a cooperating witness. He was able to bring an undercover FBI agent along as a supposed assistant for meetings, payouts, recorded conversations and so on."

    https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-...184524346.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by SWZag View Post
    Corruption is corruption. Would you say that it's good to get rid of corruption or that some corruption isn't so bad? If this were a different situation, say, a company paying government officials go be quiet about claims that a vehicle gets better mileage than it actually does. That's not a life and death situation. Does that mean it's ok? Should it not be investigated because it may help a rival car company or because it may look political? Or any other type of bribe? And who's to say those thousand of other criminal enterprises aren't be investigated? As far as I'm concerned, some people in the NCAA arena have been running a criminal enterprise as we've seen in the arrests made.

    This investigation started three years ago. Around 2014.

    I'm glad this investigation took place and actions are now taking place. Corruption is the root of many of the world's problems, and it always starts small and grows.
    +1

    I don't quit get the cynicism that others are showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballzag View Post
    Word on the street is that Texas was the school who was trying to outbid Louisville for Bowen's signature. Looks like they will be next up on the chopping block as the FBI investigation continues.
    Seeing Texas on the list eventually would not be a shocker. Been doing very 'well' in recruiting lately, of course all related to Shaka and the vaunted Texas program...

    Also interesting to put the pieces together on Cherry and then Quinerly who was the 5 star pg commit AFTER they already had Brandon Williams committed with the assurance from the staff that HE would play point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    "It began when a prominent financial planner from the sports world was ensnared in a securities fraud case and turned into a cooperating witness. He was able to bring an undercover FBI agent along as a supposed assistant for meetings, payouts, recorded conversations and so on."

    https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-...184524346.html
    This is the correct answer. A dirty financier got caught. In order to reduce his sentence he tipped off the FBI to some schemes he was aware of. I don't think the FBI was looking for this particularly, but it was handed to them and they ran with it to see how far it would go. Fraudulent accounting at Adidas is pretty high up, and may just be the beginning.

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    An interesting article from Mark Titus at The Ringer: https://www.theringer.com/2017/9/26/...rrests-scandal

    From the article, "Even the most naďve fan knew that a day of reckoning was coming, when the house of cards built by apparel companies, agents, financial advisers, shady coaches, and handlers of big-time recruits would all come crashing down."

    The term "handler" makes my skin crawl and provides justification for why this issue is important to tackle, even at the federal level. Once kids are treated as a commodity to be manipulated, there's not a definitive end to the level of manipulation and maltreatment that can accompany that paradigm.

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    Local story on Lamont Evans involvement.
    http://newsok.com/osu-assistant-bask...rticle/5565692

    STILLWATER — Lamont Evans settled into his Morgantown hotel room the day before Oklahoma State would face West Virginia in a critical game last February, scheming about the meeting.

    Scheming not for the on-court encounter, but an in-room meeting he'd arranged, unknowingly, with a cooperating witness working with the FBI, according to federal documents.

    Evans, a Cowboys assistant basketball coach, allegedly brought the witness — cooperating in the FBI's ongoing investigation focused on fraud and corruption in college basketball — together in his room with an OSU player in an attempt to steer the player to the witness. The witness, a financial adviser to athletes, was secretly cooperating with authorities after he'd been hit with securities fraud charges by the SEC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTZag03 View Post
    I've never understood the weather argument for recruiting. Do people really care?
    Me neither, but there are those who fixate on it.

    I mean I could've chosen my university based on weather but I didn't. Wasn't even a thought.

    Sure, there are students and athletes that let weather influence their decision. Heck, athletically that may be more likely for a sport played outside. At this level of college basketball I would hope and think the local climate is several notches down on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    I would be amazed if Oregon or Kentucky or Duke were involved....they must have dozens in their compliance offices and have no reason to cheat.....but you can't watch everyone 24 hours a day and the cookie jar is full...

    It is one thing to have a "rogue" on the staff and a completely different thing to have the situation at North Carolina that went on for decades and involved hundreds of individuals..
    That being said, Kyle Wiltjer's commitment to UK, right under GU's nose, without a visit and almost out of the blue certainly gives one pause given these circumstances.
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    rumor on the street here in Louisville is that Rick Pitino and Tom Jurich are out this week. Guess we will see if that comes to fruition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballzag View Post
    Pacific doesn't even know what's about to hit them once the NCAA has to deal with this mess at Arizona, USC, and Auburn. I hope Pacific is ready for the death penalty.
    Not only on the street, but on ESPN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagfan24 View Post
    An interesting article from Mark Titus at The Ringer: https://www.theringer.com/2017/9/26/...rrests-scandal

    From the article, "Even the most naďve fan knew that a day of reckoning was coming, when the house of cards built by apparel companies, agents, financial advisers, shady coaches, and handlers of big-time recruits would all come crashing down."

    The term "handler" makes my skin crawl and provides justification for why this issue is important to tackle, even at the federal level.
    Once kids are treated as a commodity to be manipulated, there's not a definitive end to the level of manipulation and maltreatment that can accompany that paradigm.
    Great quote. Agree.

    It feels like those days you go to clean up under the couch cushions or behind the stove. You know it's not pleasant, and then open everything up and it does "make one's skin crawl."

    But, is anyone surprised?

    I still believe this pales in comparison to what happens in the NCAA offices and who is paid to turn the other way. I would dearly hope that part of this investigation involves what certain NCAA compliance officers knew about what was happening where, and who was paid to turn the other way. Or, not even paid, just "knew" that they best look the other way. Which Athletic Directors (never mind coaches) knew of the whole system? Which University Presidents?
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