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    New rumor flying around that Nigel Williams-Goss on Zvezda's (Serbia powerhouse, EuroLeague team) radar for their new starting PG.

    I think that would be good for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    New rumor flying around that Nigel Williams-Goss on Zvezda's (Serbia powerhouse, EuroLeague team) radar for their new starting PG.

    I think that would be good for him.
    yeah i dont think he did enough in summer league, but training camp could be different.

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    I picked this off one of the message boards talking about it. A view of NWG from a EuroLeague fan who knows their stuff. I thought is was an interesting perspective.

    "If true (NWG rumour), this has all the potential to be a terrific steal (most probably, no longer than for a season) and a nice partial compensation for all the losses Zvezda took this off-season. Williams-Goss being unneeded by a mediocre team like Jazz is a major sign of NBA being a weird world of its own. I mean, this guy is decent in defense and he was one of the most effective, varied and finesse offensive weapons in all the NCAA. His floater is just otherworldly, he nicely absorbs contact and creates separartion by using his body despite not being a huge athlete, not a natural-born floor general but a solid facilitator who very rarely turns the ball over. Not the best shooter (but a decent one), yet definitely he is no Calathes to be left open. And while he can definitely improve in being less selfish and more team-oriented player, the most important thing is that the guy is smart and he uses this smartness very effectively on the court. It is a very, very valuable asset for European basketball. This is what allows him to be a tough player in defense, despite lacking in athleticism and quickness. There are no major deficiencies in his game and there are some things in which he is really brilliant. For me this means that we are talking about excellent baller."

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsmoove View Post
    yeah i dont think he did enough in summer league, but training camp could be different.
    Doubtful. I don't see any way he makes the Jazz roster this year. If this rumor is true, then he and his agent know it too. A starting PG in the Euroleague is literally the one step below the NBA. He will get way more out of this than a year in the G-League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    Doubtful. I don't see any way he makes the Jazz roster this year. If this rumor is true, then he and his agent know it too. A starting PG in the Euroleague is literally the one step below the NBA. He will get way more out of this than a year in the G-League.
    couldnt agree more. Much more than a year just riding the pine in the NBA too.

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    That was a pretty spot-on assessment of Nigel, imo- although I think he is a better defender than he was given credit for.

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    Great opportunity for Nigel if true. Euroleague hoops is intense, high level basketball.

    I was very hopeful that he would make an NBA roster, but he played uncharacteristically poorly in the summer league action that I watched. Hopefully he can get a year of pro ball under his belt and come back and impress an NBA team next year.

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    The Jazz had a guard who came into camp who was a big surprise -- can't recall the name-- but he was given a shot (recovering from an injury) and he excelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagdawg View Post
    The Jazz had a guard who came into camp who was a big surprise -- can't recall the name-- but he was given a shot (recovering from an injury) and he excelled.
    Not much room on the Jazz roster - ok...no room.
    The Jazz now have 16 guaranteed contracts, and one two-way contract. So someone already has to go before the season starts.

    PG depth is Rubio, Dante Exum and Raul Neto, with a guys like Rodney Hood, Alec Burks and Donavan Mitchell as SGs where at least Mitchell can play some PG.

    I don't see NWG beating out anyone on this list. Neto would be most possible, but he is not a bad role player for the Jazz - pesky defender.

    NWG could still get that other 2-way G-League contract, but a starting PG in the EuroLeague will be more money and seems to me a better career development opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    Not much room on the Jazz roster - ok...no room.
    The Jazz now have 16 guaranteed contracts, and one two-way contract. So someone already has to go before the season starts.

    PG depth is Rubio, Dante Exum and Raul Neto, with a guys like Rodney Hood, Alec Burks and Donavan Mitchell as SGs where at least Mitchell can play some PG.

    I don't see NWG beating out anyone on this list. Neto would be most possible, but he is not a bad role player for the Jazz - pesky defender.

    NWG could still get that other 2-way G-League contract, but a starting PG in the EuroLeague will be more money and seems to me a better career development opportunity.
    If he took the two-way deal he would be tied to the jazz. He'd only get a shot if they needed a PG. wouldn't it be better to get cut, take the European money, and then be free to pursue an offer from any needy NBA team? I'm not sure what is attractive about those two-way contracts.

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    Should have stayed and enjoyed the glory train on the road to the FF (as should have Zach). What was the hurry? Now he's just a guy with a tough job......

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    instant vs delayed gratification

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    The glory doesn't pay the bills or provide a opportunity for a financially secure lifetime..no one is promised tomorrow ...not for a Championship or a boatload of money ....." ...there is a tide in the affairs of men......."....read it, there is great wisdom there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Should have stayed and enjoyed the glory train on the road to the FF (as should have Zach). What was the hurry? Now he's just a guy with a tough job......
    Really? Does this need to be repeated ad nauseam?
    A pro basketball player's career is finite. Period. They are getting one more year of income at a rate most of us can't dream of. Zach is making $3M this year. NWG might get close to 400K-500K US dollar equivalent.

    Let's just drag 200K net after tax out to normal retirement age you are taking $3.6 million dollars (7% rate). The opportunity cost of staying in school for one extra year just for NWG is in the millions (tens of millions for Zach).

    Yes...there are a loads of other variables that could go into it, but I see only money lost by NWG staying another year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    Really? Does this need to be repeated ad nauseam?
    A pro basketball player's career is finite. Period. They are getting one more year of income at a rate most of us can't dream of. Zach is making $3M this year. NWG might get close to 400K-500K US dollar equivalent.

    Let's just drag 200K net after tax out to normal retirement age you are taking $3.6 million dollars (7% rate). The opportunity cost of staying in school for one extra year just for NWG is in the millions (tens of millions for Zach).

    Yes...there are a loads of other variables that could go into it, but I see only money lost by NWG staying another year.
    I agree. If true, congrats to NWG on landing an elite job!

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    The Dude graduated! With Honors! Already missed a year of playing due to red-shirt. Got a trunk full full of Euros waiting for him when he deplanes in Europe. My God, just GIVE IT UP, will ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    Should have stayed and enjoyed the glory train on the road to the FF (as should have Zach). What was the hurry? Now he's just a guy with a tough job......
    I agree about Nigel. But Zach isnt staying and giving up millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartruff1 View Post
    The glory doesn't pay the bills or provide a opportunity for a financially secure lifetime..no one is promised tomorrow ...not for a Championship or a boatload of money ....." ...there is a tide in the affairs of men......."....read it, there is great wisdom there..
    FULL scholarship guy. What bills???? I agree with Jazz. We just lost a FF with those two gone. Now Collins is injured. Nigel's got a job maybe. It's not the money? FREEDOM comes with a cost to someone. Case closed on those two. We wish em well but never forget the cost to the GU. For me, lol, it's like picking a scab that rebleeds.

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    Abe, we all love you (and Jazz) and we want you to get well....

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    Look Bartster, you have your opinion and it's shared by many here. I have mine. No worries. Just a huge opportunity lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDABE80 View Post
    Look Bartster, you have your opinion and it's shared by many here. I have mine. No worries. Just a huge opportunity lost.
    Sigh. Right on Doc. There are arguably 300 point guards around the world better than NWG. At least 200 in the NBA and G league. Fact. Back to GU he would have been the best in CBB, Wooden semi finalist, god knows what other laurels. Lost opportunity especially for such an articulate young man. Collins, not as cut and dried, but would have made money any time. Let's move on, Doc.

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    I already have. Like I said, this talk is like picking a scab. Grrrrrrr......what's done is done though. I guess we adjust to the new culture of things. I'm very happy to look to the future. New guards. I have a hunch we have already have a Nigel in the fold. Might take a year to for him to step up. God provides for these Zags. It's becoming mythical. )

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    Why can't these kids see the big picture and be sensitive to our goals? I mean just think of the opportunity that Collins wasted by getting hurt in the NBA instead of college. he could be injured for free, instead while under contract, so foolish. And Goss obviously can't do math since there are hundreds of players better than him. What is he thinking getting drafted and getting paid to play basketball. All these kids think of is me, me, me. But what about what I want? Do they not understand that my goals are much better then theirs and clearly I know what should be more important to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandalzag View Post
    Why can't these kids see the big picture and be sensitive to our goals? I mean just think of the opportunity that Collins wasted by getting hurt in the NBA instead of college. he could be injured for free, instead while under contract, so foolish. And Goss obviously can't do math since there are hundreds of players better than him. What is he thinking getting drafted and getting paid to play basketball. All these kids think of is me, me, me. But what about what I want? Do they not understand that my goals are much better then theirs and clearly I know what should be more important to them.
    Hear, hear!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandalzag View Post
    Why can't these kids see the big picture and be sensitive to our goals? I mean just think of the opportunity that Collins wasted by getting hurt in the NBA instead of college. he could be injured for free, instead while under contract, so foolish. And Goss obviously can't do math since there are hundreds of players better than him. What is he thinking getting drafted and getting paid to play basketball. All these kids think of is me, me, me. But what about what I want? Do they not understand that my goals are much better then theirs and clearly I know what should be more important to them.
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