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    Default Kevin Pangos to Zalgiris - Welcome to Euroleague

    As most would know during NBA Summer league (where he was starting point guard for the Hawks entry, and playing well) it was announced that Kevin had signed on with Zalgiris in the Lithuanian LKL. A high level team for decades(Domas' dad played for them in the 80s) many on this board believe this is the next step for KP in his quest for the NBA.

    Along with the Domestic competition (which they have won 6 years in arrow) Zalgiris also participates in the best basketball competition on the planet not named the NBA, The EuroLeague. This year restricted to 16 teams playing a 30 game regular season schedule....

    Given the continuing interest in Kevin by Zag fans, I thought that there should be a separate thread for his time there.

    Here are a couple of English language sites that will provide information on the team and its EuroLeague season

    http://zalgiris.lt/en/basketball/

    http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...m?clubcode=ZAL

    As Jstock12 is over the moon that KP will be playing in his home country I am sure we will also get expert (well, perhaps a bit biased) first-hand commentary on how he is playing.

    The young guard group in particular should prove particularly interesting to follow....

    Feel free to post any scores, articles, photos and videos on this thread.

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    Was reading the EuroLeague site and noticed that a very promising young German (mentioned a few times on the GU boards) Isaiah Hartenstein is also part of the Zalgiris system and will most likely play this year with Kevin.

    Hartenstien's Father played for Oregon with Luke Ridenour. Isaiah had looked at GU and had said that of all the College teams (he decided to go down the professional route) the Zags played closest to what he liked.

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    I think this is a great move for KP.
    I believe he is slated as the top PG on Zalgiris...I don't think much of their other PGs, and that was an area they struggled with last season. Much better choice than Panthiakos in Greece (who KP was also offered by) as I think he would have been the 3rd PG after Nick Calthas and Mike James..

    He is going to get major minutes at Zalgiris and can learn from one of the all time greats as no other than legendary Sarunas Jasikevicius is the coach.


    Also a better choice than being the 4th PG and 15th man for Atlanta going up and down to the D-league, which is what he would have been looking at if he stuck with ATL.

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    Here is a run down on the Zalgiris roster with some attention on Pangos.
    http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/79n...algiris-kaunas

    He has already had a couple good games in their pre-season so far.

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    Thanks, Mojo! Appreciate the heads up!

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    The Lithuanian to league (LKL) kicked off last weekend with Zalgiris playing it's fist two league games.

    Looking at the first one it appears that perhaps Kevin might have been injured as he only played 11 minutes with 2 assist and a steel and missing his only shot. The team went down to Eurocup team Lietkabelis 90-86.

    In the second game on Sunday Kevin exploded for 22 points, 3 assists and a steal to lead them in an emphatic win over Juventus 90-70.

    http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/...4_183_9212.asp

    With so many new players and new coaches it may take some time for the team to gel and sort out combinations, it looks like Leo Westermann and KP didn't play that much together, but from a rankings perspective they where the two best Zalgiris players.

    The first Euroleague game is roughly in two weeks, Zalgiris will have 3 more league games before meeting Panathinaikos in Athens.

    Once the next three league games are completed (two against strong Lithuanian teams Siauliai and Lietuvos rytas) it will get hectic as they will be playing both LKL and an additional 7 games per month in the EuroLeague.

    From what I have seen in the past, The EuroLeague starters get limited minutes in most of the LKL games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OZZY View Post
    The Lithuanian to league (LKL) kicked off last weekend with Zalgiris playing it's fist two league games.

    Looking at the first one it appears that perhaps Kevin might have been injured as he only played 11 minutes with 2 assist and a steel and missing his only shot. The team went down to Eurocup team Lietkabelis 90-86.

    In the second game on Sunday Kevin exploded for 22 points, 3 assists and a steal to lead them in an emphatic win over Juventus 90-70.

    http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/...4_183_9212.asp

    With so many new players and new coaches it may take some time for the team to gel and sort out combinations, it looks like Leo Westermann and KP didn't play that much together, but from a rankings perspective they where the two best Zalgiris players.

    The first Euroleague game is roughly in two weeks, Zalgiris will have 3 more league games before meeting Panathinaikos in Athens.

    Once the next three league games are completed (two against strong Lithuanian teams Siauliai and Lietuvos rytas) it will get hectic as they will be playing both LKL and an additional 7 games per month in the EuroLeague.

    From what I have seen in the past, The EuroLeague starters get limited minutes in most of the LKL games.
    I have heard that allot too. There seems to be so much disparity in the domestic leagues that the better teams will outright sit their star players against crappy domestic league teams to rest them or to get younger guys developmental time.

    I have also heard Europe can be very different in "starter" vs "bench" philosophy and that the best players can often come off the bench to to balance the team better or take advantage of match ups. European teams can be much more balanced in that manner. You need to look at minutes played more than who starts or not.

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    6 games in, Kevin has had a reasonable lead up to his first EuroLeague game.

    Zalgiris played the other Lithuanian powerhouse (and Eurocup team) Lietuvos Rita's at home on the weekend and won 74-66 paced by Kevin's 16 points (in 18 minutes).

    http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/...08_683_183.asp

    Kevin shares the team lead in scoring (10.2 in 18 mpg) and is shooting 38% from the 3. His apg (2.5) and assist/TO rate (1.5) are a bit lower than typical KP numbers so it will be interesting to see how he fares against EuroLeague teams.

    Westermann and Pangos are finding their feet with the team and having 6 (they are 5-1) games under their belt in the domestic competition should really prove beneficial entering the hectic EuroLeague period.

    October 14th is the teams first EuroLeague game for 2016/2017 against Panathinaikos.

    Panathinaikos is a step up and features 8 players with US nationality including the Calathes brothers and K.C. Rivers. The experienced Greek centres Fotsis and Bourousis are synonymous with hard-nosed basketball and it will be interesting to see if Kevin will drive to the basket or play more of a distributor / shooting guard when he is out there.

    6'6" starting PG Nick Calathes has NBA experience and might be a better match up for Westermann when he is on the floor. As Panathinaikos back up PG Mike James is out for 2 months due to injury, KP might matchup better with their less experienced guards.

    The only real advantage they have right now is the 6 games they have played while their opponents have played only once in their domestic competition.

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    Ozzy, thank you so much for the excellent heads up!

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    As mentioned the playing time is suspect early on as the Euro League teams will sit their better players or play them limited minutes against the bad domestic league teams (sortof like preseason NBA games). Pangos should be judged on his games against top competition in the EL or the domestic league best teams like Lietuvos Rita. He played really well in that game with heavy praise from his coach.


    Panathinaikos will likely smoke Zalgiris but it will be an excellent test for KP. Zalgiris is one of the bottom feeders of the EL. A likely bottom two team (of 16).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    As mentioned the playing time is suspect early on as the Euro League teams will sit their better players or play them limited minutes against the bad domestic league teams (sortof like preseason NBA games). Pangos should be judged on his games against top competition in the EL or the domestic league best teams like Lietuvos Rita. He played really well in that game with heavy praise from his coach.


    Panathinaikos will likely smoke Zalgiris but it will be an excellent test for KP. Zalgiris is one of the bottom feeders of the EL. A likely bottom two team (of 16).
    Not a good first EuroLeague game by KP. 3 points (1/7), 3 assists, 3 TOs in 18 minutes as a starter. Didn't watch the game but the the opposing guards seem to lead their team in scoring.

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    Both Kevin and Westermann struggled in the first EuroLeague game (away against Panathinaikos).

    http://www.euroleague.net/main/resul...2016#!boxscore

    Looks like Westermann started and was up against Nick Calathes.

    KP hit only 1/5 from the deep and both guards had 3 TO. If it wasn't for Lekavicius the guards would been a complete flop.

    A bit of work to do for Zalgiris coming up, it is not going to get any easier....

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    Okay, I'm finally starting to get up to speed on what's up with Kevin and Zalgris. Bear with me while I collect my wits and please forgive any repetition of info you have posted above. (Ozzy and Mojo have to be two of the smartest basketball guys on guboards!)

    Kevin's team plays its second Euroleague game today at 10:00 am PST, so I took the time to refresh my memory.

    Euroleague: Zalgris plays in Euroleague, and game stats can be found here: http://www.euroleague.net/.

    Zagris' team page on the Euroleague site is here: http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...asoncode=E2016.

    The team's Euroleague photo gallery can be found here: http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...=E2016#!photos.

    the team's Euroleague game higlight videos can be viewed here: http://www.euroleague.net/competitio...=E2016#!videos

    [Lithuanian Basketball League (LKL]: Zalgris plays in the Lithuanian Basketball League, whose site can be found here: http://www.lkl.lt/

    The team's LKL schedule can be found here. http://www.lkl.lt/komanda/10923/#mbt:73-200$t&0=2

    Kevin's profile page, including his stats, can be found here: http://www.lkl.lt/zaidejas/2405809/

    As of today, before today's game, it looks like this:


    Zalgris Home Site: Pretty cool and user-friendly site: http://zalgiris.lt/

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    Zalgris beats Baskonia Vitoria Gasteiz 78-73. Kevin had 6 points, 3 rebounds, an assist and a steal. Box Score

    Kevin is #3:


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    Thanks ZN,

    Great to get a win at home for the team.

    Both Kevin and Leo started with Leo leading he team with 20 points, 4 reb, 4 assists and no turnovers, the guards are playing with control 10 assists to only 5 turnovers, the other two guards also made contributions with Lekavicius handing out 5 assists and Milaknis hitting three 3s..

    They played against three players with NBA experience including former no 1 pick Bargnani. Bargnani Larkin and Shengelia all had good games but Zalgiris won on the boards, outrebounding Vitoria by 12.

    Next up 4 games in one week including Euroleague veteran teams Fenerbahce and Maccabi Tel Aviv two days apart.

    It would be nice to se KP get his 3 point mojo happening against them.

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    When watching KP play in Euroleague it just seems like he's a bit out of sync, or maybe his confidence is a bit shaky on the big stage compared to our domestic league (LKL) where he looks really convincing against lesser talent. But in my opinion he definitely is good enough to be productive at Euroleague level. Those are just 2 games so they might have been a fluke/variance too. I thought that the Lithuanian basketnews.lt article was a bit harsh on Kevin calling him one of two foreign players that are a bit disappointing so far (the other one being Augusto Lima). Good thing that the coach Jasikevicius doesn't pay any attention to these articles and has a lot of faith/confidence in KP. After the game against Baskonia he said that 'Kevin is taking good shots and it's only a matter of time before they go in'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstock12 View Post
    When watching KP play in Euroleague it just seems like he's a bit out of sync, or maybe his confidence is a bit shaky on the big stage compared to our domestic league (LKL) where he looks really convincing against lesser talent. But in my opinion he definitely is good enough to be productive at Euroleague level. Those are just 2 games so they might have been a fluke/variance too. I thought that the Lithuanian basketnews.lt article was a bit harsh on Kevin calling him one of two foreign players that are a bit disappointing so far (the other one being Augusto Lima). Good thing that the coach Jasikevicius doesn't pay any attention to these articles and has a lot of faith/confidence in KP. After the game against Baskonia he said that 'Kevin is taking good shots and it's only a matter of time before they go in'.
    It is a fair critique though. KP is limited in his physical gifts with not being overly tall for his position and those notoriously short arms. It is a pretty big step up to EL and I have always wondered if he was going to struggle getting shots off against bigger, longer, more athletic guards. It may take a few games to adjust his mindset on offense for the EL games. He is in the top percentile for BBallIQ, so I figure it is a good bet he figures it out and we'll see meaningful improvement.

    However - it does make me more skeptical he will ever land in the NBA for any meaningful time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    It is a fair critique though. KP is limited in his physical gifts with not being overly tall for his position and those notoriously short arms. It is a pretty big step up to EL and I have always wondered if he was going to struggle getting shots off against bigger, longer, more athletic guards. It may take a few games to adjust his mindset on offense for the EL games. He is in the top percentile for BBallIQ, so I figure it is a good bet he figures it out and we'll see meaningful improvement.

    However - it does make me more skeptical he will ever land in the NBA for any meaningful time.
    One thing that makes me optimistic about KP's chances to do well at Euroleague level is his play in ACB, which is hands down the strongest domestic league in Europe. There's quite a few Euroleague caliber teams playing there and Kevin did pretty well against them last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    It is a fair critique though. KP is limited in his physical gifts with not being overly tall for his position and those notoriously short arms. It is a pretty big step up to EL and I have always wondered if he was going to struggle getting shots off against bigger, longer, more athletic guards. It may take a few games to adjust his mindset on offense for the EL games. He is in the top percentile for BBallIQ, so I figure it is a good bet he figures it out and we'll see meaningful improvement.

    However - it does make me more skeptical he will ever land in the NBA for any meaningful time.
    I almost said in my post that I thought that ACB might be his peak and that EL was looking like a step to far (never mind the NBA), but I held off as I thought I would give him another 6 games in EL (this week is going to be tough) before I said anything.

    As JStock12 (thanks for adding your insights BTW) has had a chance to see the games I take on board his views and hope that he is right about KP's acclimatisation to the EL.

    And with KP, once those 3 pointers start hitting their mark his influence on a game goes up a couple of notches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo13 View Post
    It is a fair critique though. KP is limited in his physical gifts with not being overly tall for his position and those notoriously short arms. It is a pretty big step up to EL and I have always wondered if he was going to struggle getting shots off against bigger, longer, more athletic guards. It may take a few games to adjust his mindset on offense for the EL games. He is in the top percentile for BBallIQ, so I figure it is a good bet he figures it out and we'll see meaningful improvement.

    However - it does make me more skeptical he will ever land in the NBA for any meaningful time.
    Did you see the article I linked on the height of NBA players? The average PG is 6'1" KP fits right in!
    http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/...ght-of-players
    Hoping you have a sense of humor too!

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    There is obviously more to it than height. Yes he is at about par for NBA point guards, but his wingspan and quickness is pretty deficient.

    Some negative blurbs about his physical issues from Draft Express:

    "His biggest challenge will be overcoming his below average physical profile. Though he has average size for a point at guard at 6'2 (with shoes) with a 182-pound frame, his sub-6'0 wingspan does him few favors. Likewise, his first step leaves quite a bit to be desired, and he lacks even average explosiveness, though he does show shifty quickness in half court settings."
    "He also lacks a particularly quick first step and advanced ball handling, resulting in frequent struggles to get around quicker defenders on his way to the basket. When he is able to pick up speed and find his way into the lane, he ultimately struggles to finish at the rim, making just 42.3% of his overall attempts. His 44% 2P%, down from 48% as a sophomore, ranks him in the bottom half of point guard prospects in our database. He is actually a better finisher than one would expect due to his solid body control and a dependable floater, but he will likely continue to struggle both in the WCC and at the next level due to his physical limitations."

    He has continued to struggle in the ACB and EL finishing at the rim.

    It is hard to dispute any of this this. He however has many positives that make him an elite basketball player and one of the best point guards ever from Canada and currently one of the Top 75-100 or so point guards in the World.

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    I don't dispute any of the comment about his shortcomings ( pun intended), just when the first comment is about his height, at 6'2", as being a drawback, felt I needed to refer all to the average height of NBA PG's
    Hoping you have a sense of humor too!

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    Another subpar performance from KP in a EuroLeague game.
    1/8 for 5 points, 2 rbds, 2 assists in 17.59 minutes, in a 71-58 loss to Fenerbache Istanbul.

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    Nice video of Kevin published today:


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