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    Any stats for them from this year?

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    You will likely have to wait for ZagNative to weigh in. She is our most dedicated fan of our foreign recruits and their performance overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    You will likely have to wait for ZagNative to weigh in. She is our most dedicated fan of our foreign recruits and their performance overseas.
    One doesn't usually ask a lady to "weigh in". just sayin'. The ramifications of such a request can be severe, don't ask me how I know.
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    Certainly sounds like solid advice Birddog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    You will likely have to wait for ZagNative to weigh in. She is our most dedicated fan of our foreign recruits and their performance overseas.
    Don't forget JStock as well.

    His contributions re: international affairs/recruits/past & present players have been more than helpful. He corrected numerous hear-says & invalid info concerning overseas "facts".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birddog View Post
    One doesn't usually ask a lady to "weigh in". just sayin'. The ramifications of such a request can be severe, don't ask me how I know.
    You are correct. She favors us with her bountiful knowledge.
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    ZN admits to being in the early stages of learning about the incoming class from abroad. This Heinnews piece from December gives a good overview and has piqued her curiosity to learn more.
    Next international wave will set up Zags for a while, says GU’s Lloyd

    Gonzaga’s next wave of international players will likely set up the Zags for a while on the world market, says Zags’ international recruiter and assistant coach Tommy Lloyd.

    “We’re pretty much set for the net couple of years if everything works out with the guys we signed, if they qualify academically and everything else,” Lloyd told heinnews.

    “The next group would probably be for 2018.”
    Killian Tillie, France:
    France’s Killian Tillie comes from a sports family which includes volleyball playing/coaching father, mother and brother – 2015 European champion Kevin – as well as brother Kim, who played basketball at the University of Utah and is now with the Spanish Euroleague club Laboral Kuxta.

    The 1998-born Killian Tillie is an athletic all-arounder who was the MVP of the 2014 U16 European Championship. He has been battling with injuries since then – missing nearly the entire 2014-15 season before playing at the 2015 Adidas Next Generation Tournament Finals for INSEP as well as appearing at the 2015 U18 European Championship – where he played just three games.

    “We expect him to contribute right away, if his health is under control with some knee issues. He is one of those really interesting guys. He has incredible instincts,” Lloyd said of the 6-foot-10 Tillie, who turns 18 in March.

    “It’s probably hard to pinpoint his strengths, but he doesn’t really have a weakness either. He has tremendous upside, and we think his potential is off the charts.”

    Tillie is expected to play for the French national team at the 2016 U18 European Championship, with the top five finishers booking places in the 2017 FIBA U19 World Championship.

    Rui Hachimura, Japan
    Another player who could be playing for his country next summer is Japan forward Rui Hachimura at the 2016 FIBA Asia U18 Championship.

    Hachimura, who played at the 2015 Jordan Brand Classic, has been an enticing talent since the 2014 FIBA U17 World Championship, being one of the few Japanese players who deserved to be on the court against a United States team that included Harry Giles, Jayson Tatum, Josh Jackson, Ivan Raab, Diamond Stone, Malik Newman and Terrance Ferguson.

    “He’s really developed in the last year. His body has really changed. He’s a legit 6-foot-8 1/4 with a 7-foot-2 wingspan and huge hands. He can control the ball easily and can shoot,” Lloyd said of Hachimura, who is considered Japan’s Golden Boy and the biggest hopeful for the future.

    “There’s a little bit of a gamble, but mainly on the point of culturally and language-wise. It’s probably going go take him longer to accumulate. He might even have to go to a prep school for a year before he comes here, or if he comes here he probably have to red-shirt.”

    Lloyd continued: “He’s a great kid, he has a great attitude. He was really eager to come to the US and what it takes. I have a soft spot in my heart for kids like that – he’s not taking the easy way out. For him it would be easy to sign a pro contract with a Japanese team. But he’s dead set on coming to the US and getting as good as he can get.

    “ We’re excited that he signed with us. I think he’s a player with tremendous upside. Hopefully, he will be a really significant contributor in the future.”

    Jacob Larsen, Denmark:

    The third international player getting ready to come to Gonzaga is another big player who might need some time to get used to collegiate basketball – the 18-year-old Danish center Jacob Larsen.

    Larsen is a mountain of a man at 6-foot-10 and some 240 pounds. And Lloyd is really impressed with Larsen’s footwork.

    “We think he has a incredible upside with all the intangibles you like in a big guy – great hands, very good feet, strong body. He’s also cerebral,” Lloyd said of Larsen, who turns 19 in May.

    “Based on where he’s at when he comes over here, we’re willing to be patient with him and see how long it takes him to develop. But he’s a guy who we think in a couple of years will be a real force. We are very thankful to add him to our program for the future.”

    While Tillie and Hachimura bring a great share of athleticism, Larsen is not a vertical player.

    “But we love his size and length and tremendous feet. We’re looking at that more in a big guy than if he can touch the top of the backboard. It’s a sneaky trait for our big men. Robert Sacre had tremendous feet. He can really move his feet. Karnowski has good feet too,” Lloyd said of Larsen, who was the MVP of the 2013 U16 European Championship Division B.

    “That’s important for how we play our post-orientated game. I really have no issues with Jacob’s athleticism.”



    Listening to how Lloyd talks about the next group of future Zags, Gonzaga fans definitely can look forward to a continued group of internationals.

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    I do worry about Tillie's numerous health concerns, and it sounds as if the Coaches are noticing this as well.

    He's rarely healthy, if ever, and has been known to have questionable knees. Probably wouldn't pass a physical if he was a free agent or trade.

    He also continues to injure his shoulder, and a vast number of other minor injuries.

    I hope this is primarily "growing pain" issues, and will subside once he develops with/around his rapidly growing body.

    He doesn't have much stats, as he hasn't played much since last Summer.

    His injury issues isn't the best sign for college-level athletics, but can't deny he's an intriguing talent.

    6'10", 7' wingspan, athletic, smart, and can mix it up all over the court. He has awesome attributes to work with, yet just as Coach Lloyd has said…"we expect a lot out of him IF he is healthy".

    Right now, its proven to be a big "If", because he keeps getting injured.

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    RE: Tillie

    Recruiting a player from strong basketball families has served us so well that one thinks it's becoming a large part of what they look for in scouting a player. As far back as Pargo, so many players from high level ball parents or bros/sis have become invaluable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    RE: Tillie

    Recruiting a player from strong basketball families has served us so well that one thinks it's becoming a large part of what they look for in scouting a player. As far back as Pargo, so many players from high level ball parents or bros/sis have become invaluable.
    Few's philosophy of targeting kids from basketball families (including coaches kids) includes Pargo but started long before then. You are correct ... the practice has served the Zags well. Very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    Few's philosophy of targeting kids from basketball families (including coaches kids) includes Pargo but started long before then. You are correct ... the practice has served the Zags well. Very well.
    Yes, you can be assured that a very trusted source who has some contacts pointed out the strategy to me a while ago. I believe you when you say it started long before Pargo, and you can trust that the approach is accurate.
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    Geez, people! Settle down! I agree with Mantua's comment that "international" is preferable to "foreign" in describing kids from other countries. No big deal, folks.

    The Urban dictionary includes this partial definition of "foreign."

    strange and unfamiliar.
    "I suppose this all feels pretty foreign to you"
    synonyms: unfamiliar, unknown, unheard of, strange, alien;
    I think most "international" recruits would prefer not to be described as "unfamiliar, unknown, unheard of, strange, alien."

    I worked hard on an intelligent response to the OP. It would be nice if some of the rest of you would do the same, rather than get all sideways about an innocent post by Mantua.

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    For those who are interested, the word international in sport usually denotes competition at the international level. A player who plays at the international level representing their country is referred to as 'international."

    I think KW and Sabonis were the only true international players on our squad this last season. I don't think we have any on this coming season's team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    For those who are interested, the word international in sport usually denotes competition at the international level. A player who plays at the international level representing their country is referred to as 'international."

    I think KW and Sabonis were the only true international players on our squad this last season. I don't think we have any on this coming season's team.
    You missed Shem on last year's team (and possibly on next year's team). In addition, all 3 newcomers have FIBA International experience, playing for their respective nations in International Competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    You missed Shem on last year's team (and possibly on next year's team). In addition, all 3 newcomers have FIBA International experience, playing for their respective nations in International Competition.
    Shem I did miss. I think only appearances with the senior national are included since players can change their teams prior to that. I think Hachimura is still eligible to play for Benin.

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    Man Tillie has that nice crisp release. Almost can call it quick like Ravio. Almost.

    Hachimura will go as far as his brain can take him. If he gets up to D1 and then GU speed within two years, he could be a great player.

    And no team should turn down a hard nosed Euro bruiser like Larsen. Hes no 300 pound mountain or as active as Sabonis, but a guy like that is exactly who we need to go up against the Eric Mikas of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooter73 View Post

    Hachimura will go as far as his brain can take him. If he gets up to D1 and then GU speed within two years, he could be a great player.

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    Rui is a sharp kid and a good student. His intelligence is not an issue. The issue right now is his English language skills. As Tommy has pointed out there are a couple of options. Bring him in next season with a lighter class schedule and red shirt him as his English improves .... or maybe delay his arrival a year to let him strengthen his grasp on the English language. Regardless, the kid WILL be a great Zag. You can take that to the bank.

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    Can't recall if this one was posted previously.


    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2.../#.VyPDszArLb0


    Don't see him on the roster for the Jordan Brand Classic-- he must have changed his mind or be focusing on getting something else taken care of.

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    That article was from last June.

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    Yes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    You missed Shem on last year's team (and possibly on next year's team). In addition, all 3 newcomers have FIBA International experience, playing for their respective nations in International Competition.
    Ok then, international students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagNative View Post
    ZN admits to being in the early stages of learning about the incoming class from abroad. This Heinnews piece from December gives a good overview and has piqued her curiosity to learn more.

    Killian Tillie, France:

    Rui Hachimura, Japan


    Jacob Larsen, Denmark:
    Is there any other videos of Jacob Larsen available? I have searched all over the place and cannot find a single video of him playing basketball (besides the above post which really does not show very much).

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    Unfortunate Glarbjerg Larsen and Tillie have been held out of play all year due to injuries. Still a chance they could both be healthy enough to play come October/November.

    If 1 of the 2 were to redshirt, I'd think it'd be Larsen to development and health. Missed at least the previous 2 FIBA events in July/August 2014 & 2015 due to injuries & such. This ANGT event from late February/early March 2015 is the last event I have found him mentioned of playing in: http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eur...easoncode=JT14

    From March 2014: https://youtu.be/fCq157xpM8Y

    From May 2012 (#14 in red): https://youtu.be/05xCsds7VDU

    From May 2012 (#14 in white): https://youtu.be/wnd6vri90BM

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    Quote Originally Posted by exclusivelee View Post
    Unfortunate Glarbjerg Larsen and Tillie have been held out of play all year due to injuries. Still a chance they could both be healthy enough to play come October/November.

    If 1 of the 2 were to redshirt, I'd think it'd be Larsen to development and health. Missed at least the previous 2 FIBA events in July/August 2014 & 2015 due to injuries & such. This ANGT event from late February/early March 2015 is the last event I have found him mentioned of playing in: http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/eur...easoncode=JT14

    From March 2014: https://youtu.be/fCq157xpM8Y

    From May 2012 (#14 in red): https://youtu.be/05xCsds7VDU

    From May 2012 (#14 in white): https://youtu.be/wnd6vri90BM
    I really wish we had more video him. It's impossible to get an idea of what he is with 4-ish year old video. When I see the picture of him now, I envision a more muscular, less agile, less athletic player. But if he has maintained some of his mobility and is more coordinated, then he may not need as much redshirting as I suppose he would. Can't really say anything concrete...because we don't know what he looks like on the court. But I trust Tommy. And the "cost basis" is super low on this recruit. We have optimal "time value", as well. If this were a call option, I would be buying it in a heartbeat.

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    https://basketballrecruiting.n.rival...-in-2016-class

    Zach Norvell#(#110),#Killian Tillie, &#Jacob Glarbjerg Larsen#are 4-stars.#Rui Hachimura#remained unrated

    Thought this was worth reposting in here

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