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    I think if he thought he'd get more minutes, he would stay. But if all of our bigs do in fact return, and it looks like they will, the minutes there will be limited. I'd love to see him play more at Small Forward though.

    He's probably gone, I know. But he's got a lot of potential as a defender. I'd love to see him stay.

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    I would love to see him stay too. He really played some big minutes down the stretch for this team. Whatever his decision, I cannot fault him, but I would love to see him stay.

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    There is a major logjam inside if everyone returns...

    The big question that needs to be addressed is: Can and will Kyle Wiltjer play the 3 on a regular basis?

    If so, you can start Wiltjer, Sabonis, and Karnowski...and then all of a sudden Nunez and Edwards feel like they are a lot closer to seeing the floor. If it is determined that all 5 of those guys are playing for 2 spots, there is a 0% chance they all return.

    This was a similar situation to Elias Harris when it was being debated whether he should be at the 3 or the 4. Harris stood a much better chance of matching up favorably on the defensive end with the small forward on the opposing team though. Wiltjer has a hard time defending the 4...he will have an even harder time defending the quickness of a 3.

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    If none of Wiltjer, Karnowski and Sabonis leaves early, plus you add Edwards to the rotation, hard to imagine Nunez getting many minutes next year unless he plays the 3. It seems like he has plenty of untapped potential. Not sure that he'll ever get a chance to realize that potential at GU.

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    I have zero idea how close he is to graduating. If he still has more work to do, I just can't see him transferring to a D-2 school or NAIA school at this point.

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    shouldn't this read 'is there any chance he goes'?

    The assumption should be that he stays. There IS room in the lineup for him. He's got the physical tools that this team really needs. Not sure why he's had a hard time adjusting to the system, but another year could do wonders. Wesley's transfer mostly impacted Dranginis minutes, but also Angel's minutes. I'm hoping for a strong off season for him and an increased role next year. He could be a real gem at the small forward spot, especially if Dranginis plays more at the 2.

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    Will an additional ten minutes of PT per game be more important than being on another top ten team that travels on chartered jets, and other accoutrements? I think he has the talent for a bigger role next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SanDiegoZag View Post
    There is a major logjam inside if everyone returns...

    The big question that needs to be addressed is: Can and will Kyle Wiltjer play the 3 on a regular basis?

    If so, you can start Wiltjer, Sabonis, and Karnowski
    ...and then all of a sudden Nunez and Edwards feel like they are a lot closer to seeing the floor. If it is determined that all 5 of those guys are playing for 2 spots, there is a 0% chance they all return.

    This was a similar situation to Elias Harris when it was being debated whether he should be at the 3 or the 4. Harris stood a much better chance of matching up favorably on the defensive end with the small forward on the opposing team though. Wiltjer has a hard time defending the 4...he will have an even harder time defending the quickness of a 3.
    Wiltjer is NOT playing the three... I dont know why I keep seeing this pop up. Yes Lloyd said they would experiment with all three bigs on the floor for next year but thats all its gonna be an EXPERIMENT. Wiltjer cannot I repeat cannot play the three he is not quick enough for that position nor has the defense for it. Harris would have had the best chance playing the three when he was here but didn't so that should be the hint people. Kyle Draginis will be our starting 3... he has EARNED that and based on Fews track record he's gonna reward his senior but he's especially going to reward a senior that was forced to redshirt and forced to take a back seat to a transfer. Perkins is starting at the 1 Draginis at the 3 and the only thing that CAN be debated is the 2. We all assume it will be Melson but I can see Few having McClellan start there since he like having two ball handlers on the floor at the same time. As far as Nunez I feel for the dude but with Edwards coming back he's not going to have playing time and I would rather free up the schollie. He was granted another year of eligibility the smart thing to do is transfer somewhere and get as much play time with your last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by jchocolate99 View Post
    Wiltjer is NOT playing the three... I dont know why I keep seeing this pop up. Yes Lloyd said they would experiment with all three bigs on the floor for next year but thats all its gonna be an EXPERIMENT. Wiltjer cannot I repeat cannot play the three he is not quick enough for that position nor has the defense for it. Harris would have had the best chance playing the three when he was here but didn't so that should be the hint people. Kyle Draginis will be our starting 3... he has EARNED that and based on Fews track record he's gonna reward his senior but he's especially going to reward a senior that was forced to redshirt and forced to take a back seat to a transfer. Perkins is starting at the 1 Draginis at the 3 and the only thing that CAN be debated is the 2. We all assume it will be Melson but I can see Few having McClellan start there since he like having two ball handlers on the floor at the same time. As far as Nunez I feel for the dude but with Edwards coming back he's not going to have playing time and I would rather free up the schollie. He was granted another year of eligibility the smart thing to do is transfer somewhere and get as much play time with your last year
    I agree with about half of this...

    I agree that Wiltjer won't play the 3 and that role will belong to Dranginis. I do see Nunez as the backup at the 3, though. Last year, Nunez was placed at the 4 because there were no other options there. The 4 is NOT his natural position, the 3 is - and that's where he can make some noise. He's got the tools to guard to the three-point line and that's where he'll be needed. His ball-handling is suspect, so he'll need to be protected on the offensive end... but he can rebound and shoot, which will be also needed. He will not be a stretch 4 on this team - that role belongs to Wiltjer. Dranginis will see minutes at both the 2 and 3 next year and it will open up opportunity for Nunez.

    Sabonis will probably come off the bench for either Wiltjer or Karno and play starter minutes as a sub... I see Few interchanging the three just as he did at the end of this season. He may experiment playing all three together, but that won't be the normal rotation. Nunez could spell any of them that are in foul trouble, but he won't be part of a rotation as a 4 or 5. Edwards will get spot minutes -- unless he's really made an incredible jump.

    When the rotation is being worked out for next year, I see decent minutes for Nunez. I hope and expect that he will stay.

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    Default Uh, how about an education?

    Would you rather have a degree from GU or West Buffalo Chip State?

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    I think that people are thinking that Angel would be a graduate transfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jchocolate99 View Post
    Wiltjer is NOT playing the three... I dont know why I keep seeing this pop up. Yes Lloyd said they would experiment with all three bigs on the floor for next year but thats all its gonna be an EXPERIMENT. Wiltjer cannot I repeat cannot play the three he is not quick enough for that position nor has the defense for it. Harris would have had the best chance playing the three when he was here but didn't so that should be the hint people. Kyle Draginis will be our starting 3... he has EARNED that and based on Fews track record he's gonna reward his senior but he's especially going to reward a senior that was forced to redshirt and forced to take a back seat to a transfer. Perkins is starting at the 1 Draginis at the 3 and the only thing that CAN be debated is the 2. We all assume it will be Melson but I can see Few having McClellan start there since he like having two ball handlers on the floor at the same time. As far as Nunez I feel for the dude but with Edwards coming back he's not going to have playing time and I would rather free up the schollie. He was granted another year of eligibility the smart thing to do is transfer somewhere and get as much play time with your last year
    I will take this bet......I expect to see the big three on the court at the same time....with 2-1-2 matchup zone on defense

    offensively there would be NO one that could stop this lineup.....perkins provides the penetration, slashing passing that this lineup requires and either Melson or Draino provides the spot up shooting option opposite the high low action
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    For the sake of the program I hope he stays, as if we have to rely on Edwards as the primary backup we are in trouble.
    Nunez could really take us or the next level. Our lack of athleticism is what will stop us on another deep tourney run.
    We have way too many below the rim players on the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopaholic View Post
    I will take this bet......I expect to see the big three on the court at the same time....with 2-1-2 matchup zone on defense

    offensively there would be NO one that could stop this lineup.....perkins provides the penetration, slashing passing that this lineup requires and either Melson or Draino provides the spot up shooting option opposite the high low action
    IF KW, DS and PK are all back, they all will start, some way, somehow, there is no conceivable way any one of them comes off the bench no matter how much one talks about rotations.

    I agree it might well be a zone type of defense that is necessary.

    But, having said that, I don't see why people don't assume that KD can't be in place at the 2. I agree that KD will start, and should start. But, I see no reason he can't start at the off-guard spot. That leaves Perk running the point, with Mac as the first off the bench, perhaps Melson second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    IF KW, DS and PK are all back, they all will start, some way, somehow, there is no conceivable way any one of them comes off the bench no matter how much one talks about rotations.

    I agree it might well be a zone type of defense that is necessary.

    But, having said that, I don't see why people don't assume that KD can't be in place at the 2. I agree that KD will start, and should start. But, I see no reason he can't start at the off-guard spot. That leaves Perk running the point, with Mac as the first off the bench, perhaps Melson second.
    why is it so inconceivable that Sabonis comes off the bench again? Yes, he's damn good and would start at most other programs but the two bigs in front of him are pretty good also and are seniors. It's not like Sabonis is not getting plenty of minutes plus he's still being closely watched by NBA scouts. He knew the situation coming into GU and knew the players that were in front of him. His time will come but next year its not going to be his time to start. He'll still come off the bench while Wiltjer and Karno start no need to change that rotation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    IF KW, DS and PK are all back, they all will start, some way, somehow, there is no conceivable way any one of them comes off the bench no matter how much one talks about rotations.
    I completely disagree. There's no way they all start. Sabonis will get starter minutes playing off the bench, just like he did at the end of this season.

    Forget the rotations, who is going to guard the wing? A zone isn't going to protect them on defense, it's going to expose them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopaholic View Post
    I will take this bet......I expect to see the big three on the court at the same time....with 2-1-2 matchup zone on defense

    offensively there would be NO one that could stop this lineup.....perkins provides the penetration, slashing passing that this lineup requires and either Melson or Draino provides the spot up shooting option opposite the high low action
    This. If we have the three bigs, I am all for starting them together. The length of that zone would cause tremendous issues, especially with Perkins and KD at the top of it. We would invite the dribble drive and push the zone out on the perimeter...much like Syracuse does. Could be a really tough defensive alignment. Offensively that group causes obvious problems for people, but I really think the right zone scheme with that size could be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopaholic View Post
    I will take this bet......I expect to see the big three on the court at the same time....with 2-1-2 matchup zone on defense

    offensively there would be NO one that could stop this lineup.....perkins provides the penetration, slashing passing that this lineup requires and either Melson or Draino provides the spot up shooting option opposite the high low action
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    IF KW, DS and PK are all back, they all will start, some way, somehow, there is no conceivable way any one of them comes off the bench no matter how much one talks about rotations.

    I agree it might well be a zone type of defense that is necessary.

    But, having said that, I don't see why people don't assume that KD can't be in place at the 2. I agree that KD will start, and should start. But, I see no reason he can't start at the off-guard spot. That leaves Perk running the point, with Mac as the first off the bench, perhaps Melson second.
    I really don't think one of our top post players, Wiltjer, is going to spend a lot of time at the wing. He looses his ability to create mismatches on the perimeter if he is out on the wing. Wings will be able to guard him better, he will have a harder time guarding wings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    I really don't think one of our top post players, Wiltjer, is going to spend a lot of time at the wing. He looses his ability to create mismatches on the perimeter if he is out on the wing. Wings will be able to guard him better, he will have a harder time guarding wings.
    so takinga three out to the wing area, while sabonis down screens Karnowski opposite elbow to block as WIltner goes to post up his small 3 wing who is guarding him......you now have either high low post to post or high low with a mismatch opposite block

    that would be an absolute nightmare of mismatch

    Or you flash him in from wing like Duke did to us and post up for instant mismatch
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    Quote Originally Posted by john montana View Post
    This. If we have the three bigs, I am all for starting them together. The length of that zone would cause tremendous issues, especially with Perkins and KD at the top of it. We would invite the dribble drive and push the zone out on the perimeter...much like Syracuse does. Could be a really tough defensive alignment. Offensively that group causes obvious problems for people, but I really think the right zone scheme with that size could be awesome.
    yes and coverage of the corner is easy with sabonis and wiltjer, while Karno drops to cover post block issues

    weakside steals by Perkins or melson with their quickness to cover skip passes
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    Just saw Nunez's name on the transfer list at espn.com. List is over 200 players so far. Goodman has him as "will graduate".
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    First congratulations to Angel for coming to Gonzaga and leaving with a Gonzaga Diploma! He was waiting to see what some of the other bigs were going to do first before making his decision and now he realizes that they are all staying at Gonzaga for a second year. Everyone knows he is way too talented to sit on the bench playing limited minutes again next year and it really is in his best interest to find a program that he can get playing time in. I'm positive that Gonzaga and the Coaching Staff have been super supportive of Angel's decision and are helping him choose the right the right fit for next year. He will have an impact at whatever school he ends up choosing. St. John's is one of those schools I could see him transferring too but make no mistake he will be a highly regarded transfer this year and will have an impact next year. Thanks for all of your contributions Angel you learned what being a teammate is this year and we wouldn't have had the success we had without you on the team the last two years.

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    Best wishes for a great future, Angel Nunez. I am very proud of you ... you'll always be remembered as a true Zag !!! GoZags (aka Ken Devones)

    Quote Originally Posted by basketballzag View Post
    First congratulations to Angel for coming to Gonzaga and leaving with a Gonzaga Diploma! He was waiting to see what some of the other bigs were going to do first before making his decision and now he realizes that they are all staying at Gonzaga for a second year. Everyone knows he is way too talented to sit on the bench playing limited minutes again next year and it really is in his best interest to find a program that he can get playing time in. I'm positive that Gonzaga and the Coaching Staff have been super supportive of Angel's decision and are helping him choose the right the right fit for next year. He will have an impact at whatever school he ends up choosing. St. John's is one of those schools I could see him transferring too but make no mistake he will be a highly regarded transfer this year and will have an impact next year. Thanks for all of your contributions Angel you learned what being a teammate is this year and we wouldn't have had the success we had without you on the team the last two years.

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    Good news/bad news........Three amigos staying, AN leaving.....Give Mully a call.....would be great to be in on that Year One.

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