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    What I don't like about Louisville's perimeters is how they behave after fouls get called on them while they are pressing. I am surprised the refs don't call technicals on them. They act like crybabies at times.

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    I also think Beilein made a coaching mistake by playing Spike Albrecht too much towards the end of the game. I know he had the hot hand in the 1st half, but Nik Stauskas is a 44% three point shooter himself. Spike hardly played this year, and it showed when he started turning the ball over and started screwing up defensively towards the end. Nik is way more experienced when it comes to handling pressure situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjm720 View Post
    Can't believe they called a foul on Burke's block of Siva's dunk attempt....game changer, felt bad for Burke.
    This was the one that just killed me. The last time down the court there had been a rugby scrum with pushing, shoving, and I think biting, but then Siva gets rejected twenty seconds later and Burke might have brushed against his hip or something (I'm guessing because the replay shows a clean block) and they make a call.

    How does a player adjust when the game is going to be called on the opposite end of the contact-spectrum in the space of twenty seconds?


    The other horrible one was the second foul on Burke. A defensive player should be able to jump and be entitled to a safe landing. An offensive players should not be allowed to run underneath a defender like that and draw a foul. I thought the rules were in place, to some degree, for player safety, what sense does it make to incentivize undercutting a defenseless defender like that?

    But at least the officials were consistently horrible and one-sided.

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    agree with all whose take was the refs stunk, and that they did not stink consistently but instead selectively on one end of the floor much more, for whatever reason

    and disappointed

    also found it typical these days that a team, in this case Louisville, could be so 'physical' and then complain when the whistles would finally blow. boo

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    Uber just imagines how much more exciting that game would have been if the refs actually did a half way decent job. The teams scored amazingly in spite of the refs allowing a mugging all the way around.

    A couple points:

    1) they will never call all contact but in Uber's opinion contact that affects a shot or possession (whether that be on a steal, turnover, forced travel, rebound, etc.) should always be called a foul and when the play is away from the basket and has no bearing on a TO or scoring, then let those go.

    2) it used to be only when a player was on the floor you could fly into him and start trying to "tie it up" (don't know when that foul stopped being called but it was a while ago) but now apparently you can do the same thing to a player who is standing and who just rebounded the ball--just reach right in and grab the ball, no need to worry about smacking his arms or body. "Tie ups" should almost never be called--they are fouls nearly every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jake View Post
    I went back to try to find this play but didn't see it. What point in the game was this at? I was using the play-by-play to see where Burke shot free throws but may have missed it.
    Burke free throws followed by a Siva lay-in, assisted by Hancock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    Burke free throws followed by a Siva lay-in, assisted by Hancock.
    I found that play with 6:36 to go, but the foul that was called that lead to Burke's free throws was on Dieng and Hancock wasn't in the area. I was assuming there was another play that was being referenced.

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    I believe that was one of the best basketball games I've seen in years. The refs allowed a physical game and besides the block on Siva seemed to call it both ways. I rooted for MI but in no way do I feel they were robbed.

    Those two teams showed tremendous heart, athleticism and basketball skill. they played hard defense, executed on offense and fought for every basket. What stuck out most to me was the speed at which both teams played. Siva is one of the best pure point guards I have ever seen.

    Which leads me to this question, do you think this year's Zags could have played with these guys?

    Personally, I don't think so. I love our team but I don't think we could match their speed or athleticism. There was only 20 turnovers between both teams last night at that speed with every possession being a battle. those guys played so far above the rim it was crazy. Sivas alleyoop was spectacular as was Hardaway's dunk in the last 5 minutes. truly a remarkable game to watch.

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    I agree that non-called undercuts are critically needed to be called a foul b/c it is such a dangerous play for injury. Coming down on a twisted on a back/head, an outside shot in which there is not room to come down for the shooter twisting knee/ankle.

    And I think the propesity to do such a dangerous move is to really scare people from coming into the middle or shooting over someone from outside.

    Really needs to be called everytime - - do people agree?
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    The way Wichita State's Baker was literally assaulted on at least two possessions in the second half against Louisville was just rotten, and to top it off they had the nerve to call the one foul on him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieZag View Post
    I agree that non-called undercuts are critically needed to be called a foul b/c it is such a dangerous play for injury. Coming down on a twisted on a back/head, an outside shot in which there is not room to come down for the shooter twisting knee/ankle.

    And I think the propesity to do such a dangerous move is to really scare people from coming into the middle or shooting over someone from outside.

    Really needs to be called everytime - - do people agree?
    yes, whether in the paint or on the perimeter. On the blacktop that kind of stuff leads to blows. Team USA has teams do this to them all the time because they can't matchup physically

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    I quit watching at the 4-5 minute mark, because I knew the outcome had been decided in advance due to the obvious bad calls in Lv's favor.

    Looked pretty scripted to me (Burke's block, Dieng absolutely hammers I think it was Morgan after a rebound, it comes loose and goes out of bounds to Lv, Albrecht gets ridden like a rented mule from the halfcourt line when he has the defender on his hip, etc etc).

    Watched the 2nd half in the gym, and everybody there that talked about it said the same thing, including a guy who refs around Seattle (hs, Jamal Crawford pro-am summer league etc.)

    No integrity in the basketball business today, and really for a couple decades. Just a tv show, scripted for maximum ratings. And that sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike94 View Post
    It is really frustrating to watch a team that is touted by many for their great D when in reality they are fouling constantly. It really needs to be called. The reason they are so "good" is because they are holding, pushing and grabbing. Its almost as if the refs think they can't call all the fouls or it would disrupt the flow. But the grabbing turns this into something other then well played basketball.
    You couldn't have said it better. I really believe NCAA Division One officiating allows more grabbing, bumping, pushing, and hand checking than the NBA twice fold.
    Michigan was beaten up. That one play in the second where the Michigan player was undercut and fell hard while jumping for a rebound was flat out dangerous. The ref was standing three feet away and did nothing. Kerr even commented on how dangerous it was.

    Terrible, terrible job by the officials.

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    I won't say which ref, but when my nephew and bro-in-law saw a particular one they both thought 'oh crap' because that guy HATES Michigan. In fact, during the game, the ref told Jordan that if he had gotten a particular rebound he was going to call a foul on him. This kind of $hit sucks, that refs can get away with stuff like that and the players can't do anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    You couldn't have said it better. I really believe NCAA Division One officiating allows more grabbing, bumping, pushing, and hand checking than the NBA twice fold.
    Michigan was beaten up. That one play in the second where the Michigan player was undercut and fell hard while jumping for a rebound was flat out dangerous. The ref was standing three feet away and did nothing. Kerr even commented on how dangerous it was.

    Terrible, terrible job by the officials.
    Burke was so sore afterwards. He was knocked to the ground HARD. We were screaming for fouls, but they weren't calling anything, which totally favored Louisville. Michigan had no chance, but were valiant in defeat. Jordan got toppled head over foot at one point as well. Sitting right there, you can really hear how hard they hit the floor and my God, those kids were taking all kinds of abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike94 View Post
    It is really frustrating to watch a team that is touted by many for their great D when in reality they are fouling constantly. It really needs to be called. The reason they are so "good" is because they are holding, pushing and grabbing. Its almost as if the refs think they can't call all the fouls or it would disrupt the flow. But the grabbing turns this into something other then well played basketball.
    This.

    And you know what I say? The Zags starting doing it to. Play overly aggressive, the refs aren't calling it. We need to dirty it up from Nov through April next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jake View Post
    I found that play with 6:36 to go, but the foul that was called that lead to Burke's free throws was on Dieng and Hancock wasn't in the area. I was assuming there was another play that was being referenced.
    Hanock was on the floor after running into Dieng, at which time he undercut Burke (it wasn't his fault, per se, but the correct call would have been the Hancock foul). I actually thought Harrell was the one that met Burke at the rim and was called for the foul. Dieng wasn't really ever in the play. That's just going from memory, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta View Post
    Hanock was on the floor after running into Dieng, at which time he undercut Burke (it wasn't his fault, per se, but the correct call would have been the Hancock foul). I actually thought Harrell was the one that met Burke at the rim and was called for the foul. Dieng wasn't really ever in the play. That's just going from memory, though.
    Thanks JPTB. I didn't have the game recorded so the play I was referencing was the best I could recall. The bottom line was that the foul should have been on Hancock as he was falling and contacted/undercut Burke on the way to the rim and I believe that would have been his 4th.

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