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    I thought NAtl Championship game was supposed to get best
    refs. If Im Michigan I am very mad. Burke got a raw deal with
    2 of his fouls...Had the block of the tourney...Refs call nothing all
    game and then call that...Also Mich big man had foul trouble with
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    Horrible horrible game by the refs.
    The Trey Burke block that was called a foul changed everything.
    Missed goaltendings, kicked balls, shoves in the back, hand checking.
    Steve Kerr saw it and called it all night long. These two teams were even in all aspects...

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    There's a lot of talk about how ugly the tournament was, and the poor general state of offense in college basketball this year, and it all starts with the refs.

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    I didn't know how or when to post it, but our friend Lynette's Michigan player (Jordan Morgan, I think is his name) completely and totally blocked the Syracuse player in the semis, and it was the play of the game. No way, no how, should it have been a charge.

    It's a tough game to ref, but WAY too may charges are called.

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    It's a tough game to ref, but WAY too may charges are called.
    In this game? I don't know if there was a single player control foul all game. It was the one thing I took away from the game tonight. It was so beautiful to watch a game where players weren't flopping all over the place. But a lot of credit also goes to the offensive players who were rarely out of control going towards the basket.

    Wish it happened more often, because it leads to the kind of scoring we saw tonight.

    That being said, I pretty much agree with the sentiments expressed in this thread regarding the officiating. The refs also assigned fouls to incorrect players a couple of times which was huge in a game where both sides were struggling with foul issues.

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    Michigan got mugged, thug ball 5 vs 8. That said, I'm very proud of the Michigan team! I really wish this one had gone the other way!

    BTW, apparently I was a TV star several times during the broadcast, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LynetteG View Post
    Michigan got mugged, thug ball 5 vs 8. That said, I'm very proud of the Michigan team! I really wish this one had gone the other way!

    BTW, apparently I was a TV star several times during the broadcast, lol.
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    Congrats to you and your nephew on a great season for them.

    I know it is little consulation now but you have every reason to be proud of that young man, worked his asteroid off this year, seems to be a fantastic young man. . . and a great smile.
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    It is really frustrating to watch a team that is touted by many for their great D when in reality they are fouling constantly. It really needs to be called. The reason they are so "good" is because they are holding, pushing and grabbing. Its almost as if the refs think they can't call all the fouls or it would disrupt the flow. But the grabbing turns this into something other then well played basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike94 View Post
    It is really frustrating to watch a team that is touted by many for their great D when in reality they are fouling constantly. It really needs to be called. The reason they are so "good" is because they are holding, pushing and grabbing. Its almost as if the refs think they can't call all the fouls or it would disrupt the flow. But the grabbing turns this into something other then well played basketball.
    Good point.

    Added to it, seems like they get more rewarded for the more they do b/c they get the rep as "tough - physical - tenacious" all that stuff and refs just decide it's who they are.
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    I watched the Baylor-Louisville women's game and Louisville won that one by literally beating Brittney Griner to death right in front of the refs - especially in the first half. Louisville isn't the only school, men or women, benefiting from today's changeover to a extremely physical "let em play" contest by too many officials. When you watch all the grabbing, holding, shoving and everything else that happens - especially in a championship game, it makes you wonder just what the referees are there for any more. I come away thinking that after almost every game I watch lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavebear33 View Post
    I watched the Baylor-Louisville women's game and Louisville won that one by literally beating Brittney Griner to death right in front of the refs - especially in the first half. Louisville isn't the only school, men or women, benefiting from today's changeover to a extremely physical "let em play" contest by too many officials. When you watch all the grabbing, holding, shoving and everything else that happens - especially in a championship game, it makes you wonder just what the referees are there for any more. I come away thinking that after almost every game I watch lately.
    i believe that L'ville's philosophy is to foul on every play cause the refs won't call them all ..and it wears down and frustrates the other ...it is a pitiful display of basketball the way it should be played
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaZagFan View Post
    i believe that L'ville's philosophy is to foul on every play cause the refs won't call them all ..and it wears down and frustrates the other ...it is a pitiful display of basketball the way it should be played
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    It is really frustrating to watch a team that is touted by many for their great D when in reality they are fouling constantly. It really needs to be called. The reason they are so "good" is because they are holding, pushing and grabbing. Its almost as if the refs think they can't call all the fouls or it would disrupt the flow. But the grabbing turns this into something other then well played basketball.
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    When you watch all the grabbing, holding, shoving and everything else that happens - especially in a championship game, it makes you wonder just what the referees are there for any more. I come away thinking that after almost every game I watch lately.
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    i believe that L'ville's philosophy is to foul on every play cause the refs won't call them all ..and it wears down and frustrates the other ...it is a pitiful display of basketball the way it should be played
    They're ruining the game, at least for this fan.
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    Totally agree. Several undercuts under the rim (intentional or unintentional) by Louisville players not called. Hancock's undercut on I believe Burke as he's going for a layup gets mis-assigned to Dieng and prevents Hancock from picking up his 4th. Agree that UL plays defense with the mentality that the refs can't call everything and in crunch time they bank on the fact that the refs WON't call anything to avoid the perception that the refs are taking over the game and impeding the flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UABZag View Post
    Totally agree. Several undercuts under the rim (intentional or unintentional) by Louisville players not called. Hancock's undercut on I believe Burke as he's going for a layup gets mis-assigned to Dieng and prevents Hancock from picking up his 4th. Agree that UL plays defense with the mentality that the refs can't call everything and in crunch time they bank on the fact that the refs WON't call anything to avoid the perception that the refs are taking over the game and impeding the flow.
    Most important play of the game.

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    The refs have been horrible throughout. I felt the worst reffed game was Louisville vs Wichita St in the last 5 minutes. Talk about a mugging.

    I thought the worst foul last night was when Burke picked up his second foul on a play where a Louiville player was faking to shoot a 3 pointer. The shooter clearly thrust himself into the defender (Burke) to draw the foul. Burke wasn't even infront of the shooter, but was clearly on the side of him and the shooter jumps to the side of the defender. That put Burke on the bench for 12 min in the first half.

    And we all know about the foul where Olynyk was going to the hoop and clearly got hit on the head.

    Basketball, imo, has become an ugly game. I didn't enjoy the tournament much at all this year. Basketball is a game that should be played in the 70 and 80's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UABZag View Post
    Hancock's undercut on I believe Burke as he's going for a layup gets mis-assigned to Dieng and prevents Hancock from picking up his 4th.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    Most important play of the game.

    I'm on that same page also.

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    Love the fact that the refs allowed a physical game. Hate the fact that there's no consistency from game to game, league to league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjm720 View Post
    Love the fact that the refs allowed a physical game. Hate the fact that there's no consistency from game to game, league to league.
    That is the problem with allowing the more physical game. The referees have to selectively choose what they are going to call and what they are not going to call. Last I checked - that isn't in their job description, they are supposed to call the game in accordance with the rules to the best of their ability. When they do not, you see the inconsistent application of the rules. My thought is that they need to call the game correctly and not based on their individual bias (toward more or less physical play). If that then creates problems with the game in ways that cause the rules to be reviewed or fine tuned, then that is the way it should be done.

    While I have heard a lot of people say we can't complain about the officiating in our loss to WSU, I personally believe we can - that swing where Kelly got hammered and there was no call, and then they traveled like a sixth grader just learning the game, was a crucial swing in the game. While it shouldn't have bothered us as badly as it did, it was poor officiating. In a close game, which this was, bad calls by incompetent officials can change the outcome of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoZags View Post
    Most important play of the game.
    I went back to try to find this play but didn't see it. What point in the game was this at? I was using the play-by-play to see where Burke shot free throws but may have missed it.

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    Can't believe they called a foul on Burke's block of Siva's dunk attempt....game changer, felt bad for Burke.
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    Best finals I've seen in terms of level of play. I was hoping for some last second dramatics, but the best team won, with much of Michigan's success built around a little heralded back up. One way to look at the fouls called on Burke was that it allowed Spike to go off for 17 points.

    The idea that Louisville plays aggressive defense and gets away with murder is an arguable point. What is not at all arguable is how tough they are as a team. They came back from advresity on multiple occasions: against Wichita State, against Syracuse (in the Big East Finals), against Michigan. They are tenacious and talented, and for the most part disciplined. Pitino is the ultimate micromanaging coach and exploits every misstep of his opponents, and has an answer to every new defensive wrinkle thrown at him.

    I know this is heresy on this forum, but I am going to say it anyway: Both Michigan and Louisville would have defeated Gonzaga (and Creighton for that matter) in head to head competition. I don't see our guards being able to stop Burke, Albrecht, Hardaway, and certainly not Siva and Smith and their wingman, Hancock. It isn't just about height either. Siva is 6 feet even and Smith one inch taller. It is about quickness and generating shots, getting to the hoop and finishing however. Hancock's skills at the wing, confirms what many of our own forum experts have been saying all year. An effective wing is essential in opening up the middle. Without Hancock, Siva's drives would have been better defended.

    A note about the officiating. It is what it is. Until last night, I had many of the same thoughts about it. Last night, despite some pretty poor calls (both ways), the teams managed to upstage the refs. And the offenses managed to out do the defense. It was a great game, and I think Pitino is a genius. Congratulations to Louisville, to Peyton Siva (from Seattle's Franklin HS), and Coach Pitino and to Dickie V, who had them Number One on November 1, 2012!

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    Quote Originally Posted by siliconzag View Post
    Best finals I've seen in terms of level of play. I was hoping for some last second dramatics, but the best team won, with much of Michigan's success built around a little heralded back up. One way to look at the fouls called on Burke was that it allowed Spike to go off for 17 points.

    The idea that Louisville plays aggressive defense and gets away with murder is an arguable point. What is not at all arguable is how tough they are as a team. They came back from advresity on multiple occasions: against Wichita State, against Syracuse (in the Big East Finals), against Michigan. They are tenacious and talented, and for the most part disciplined. Pitino is the ultimate micromanaging coach and exploits every misstep of his opponents, and has an answer to every new defensive wrinkle thrown at him.

    I know this is heresy on this forum, but I am going to say it anyway: Both Michigan and Louisville would have defeated Gonzaga (and Creighton for that matter) in head to head competition. I don't see our guards being able to stop Burke, Albrecht, Hardaway, and certainly not Siva and Smith and their wingman, Hancock. It isn't just about height either. Siva is 6 feet even and Smith one inch taller. It is about quickness and generating shots, getting to the hoop and finishing however. Hancock's skills at the wing, confirms what many of our own forum experts have been saying all year. An effective wing is essential in opening up the middle. Without Hancock, Siva's drives would have been better defended.

    A note about the officiating. It is what it is. Until last night, I had many of the same thoughts about it. Last night, despite some pretty poor calls (both ways), the teams managed to upstage the refs. And the offenses managed to out do the defense. It was a great game, and I think Pitino is a genius. Congratulations to Louisville, to Peyton Siva (from Seattle's Franklin HS), and Coach Pitino.

    Sili
    disagree on bad calls going both ways...when Michigans best player sits out for most of 1st half because of a horrendous foul call that is more than just 1 bad call

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    Not just a massive game changer at the time, but Michigan must have wasted 20 seconds of the last minute when they should have been fouling, since Burke didnt want to commit his 5th foul. Why they werent playing the sub in sub out game was a mystery though.

    Those poor NBA refs have such a bad reputation for "never calling traveling" (mostly from people who never watch as far as I can tell), when the state of refereeing in college ball is miserable almost across the board....charge/block calls in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihalevich View Post
    disagree on bad calls going both ways...when Michigans best player sits out for most of 1st half because of a horrendous foul call that is more than just 1 bad call
    Michigan made a decision to sit Burke for as long as they did with 2 fouls. If there was a bad call that obviously had an impact. However, I believe that a lot of teams hurt themselves sitting guys too long hoping for end of game magic in the last 3 minutes. At times I think you are better to play the guy and see what actually happens instead of sitting him fearing what might happen.

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