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    Wow some of you guys are really drinkiing the WSU koolaid. They aren't that good from what I saw today. Pitt was atrocious today. WSU can't score like Southern. They have no big man even close to Mitchell today. We will dominate underneath and I have a feeling get them into serious foul trouble. I wouldn't think we play worse on Saturday than we did today. Southern was simply awesome offensively today and I just don't see WSU being able to duplicate that. We win by 15.

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    Man, after reading all this, I am wondering if they will be favored by 14?

    I respect Wichita, for sure, but I also watched them all game today and didn't see a team of world beaters that we have to fear more than any other very good tournament team.

    They struggled to score 25 in the first half against a Pitt team that was playing like they were in 2 ft of water.

    I THINK we will play better. I don't blame their board for not worrying about Harris - Harris was a non-factor today (for some dubious reasons), he will NOT be two games in a row. I am also encouraged that our 3s were falling when needed today, it will give our guys confidence going into Saturday.

    Speaking of confidence, I can't remember a game - ever - where I saw E and Kelly give up so many mid-range jumpers at the FT line or so, it was like they were afraid to just turn and shoot, that HAS to change.

    I am still more concerned that OUR issues get addressed, more so than I am that Wichita is the single worst match-up for us.
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    I didn't see any lightning quick Shocker guards in SLC today. I did see a dumb and slow Pitt team.

    Kelly and Elias were built to beat teams like Wichita State
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    The boys are pushovers if you read the WSU board. Guess the boys shouldn't even show up.
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    Hey, great board over at the WSU site. One of their posters said ,

    "Super stoked for this game. Personally, i feel like the worst case scenario that could have happened did which is gonzaga getting a scare in the first game. No doubt they will be locked in on Saturday. "

    I can't help but agree. Truth told, I was really nervous going into this first game against Southern. It's the tournament. We hadn't played in a week. The only thing that was important is we came out, and got the win.

    Now, onto WSU. It's a game I think will be a grinder for about 15 minutes, but am confident in the Zags ability to put this one away. If but for the fact that my heart health deteriorates with every nailbiter... Im thinking we win comfortably...

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    I personally love what happened tonight. They beat a Southern team that came to play, not to mention questionable officiating and a crowd that was less sympathetic than expected. They swam against the current and made it happen. Best be assured they will be ready to battle again this Saturday. We are in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOOTER View Post
    I personally love what happened tonight. They beat a Southern team that came to play, not to mention questionable officiating and a crowd that was less sympathetic than expected. They swam against the current and made it. Best be assured they will be ready to battle again this Saturday. We are in good shape.
    Spot on.

    Not a large Shocker crowd at the arena today.
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    Didn't see Creighton beat them. How did they do it? That may hold the key.
    First off, they shot 70% from the field and 50% of three pointers. They have a guy named McDermott that went nuts on them in Omaha, and went cold on them for the MVC Championship. The rest of the team stepped up big when Doug lost his shooting touch in the finals. Creighton's defense has improved incredibly, as has their rebounding. Wichita will not get rattled and they are beasts inside. They play very aggressive defense, and they know how to rebound. The game they lost in Omaha, the Shockers shot >50% themselves.

    They are a good team, and anyone who thinks the Zags will have an easy time with them doesn't know MV basketball. It is a fierce league with lots of parity, top to bottom, and horrible homer officiating.

    Wichita is a tough match up for the Zags. Those who say the Zags will win in a cake walk are whistlin in the dark.

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    Didn't see anything that impressed me too much in their game against Pitt. I don't think they exploit our defensive weaknesses very well. The games that we've lost this year have been to teams that shoot the heck out of the ball. 3pt shooting is not a main strength of the Shockers. Plus they've got no one big enough to match up with KO. Key to the game for us will be limiting easy looks and matching their physicality, especially on the boards.

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    Repeat of the WCC tourney. We were rusty after a week off, shook off the rust with an ugly one and now its game on.

    I was more worried about southern than the Pitt/WSU 2nd game when the brackets first were announced.

    Their bigs are bruisers that are that magic word "athletic" and their guards are very respectable. We play better as a whole though especially now that were back into the flow. Harris better not be afraid to shoot the ball and Bell and Pangos have to be dialed in for 5 threes between the two of them. Need another x factor, whether its Dower or Barham making a couple shots that will keep us ahead.

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    Their fans aren't giving a second though to Elias Harris. I expect they are going to get a rude awakening come Saturday cause there is no way he plays another game like he did on Thursday.

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    Their bigs are bruisers that are that magic word "athletic"
    And are terrible offensively. Have a feeling we get them into foul trouble early.

    Sili, I agree the Shockers are tough mentally and physically and play good defense. They simply can't score with us. If we score 70 + the game shouldn't be close. If they can keep it to the high 50's or low 60's it will be a close game. I don't see them being able to do that. Ultimately, if we rebound and make them jump shooters I predict a 15+point win.

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    And exactly what WSU player are the fans on this fine forum giving any credit?

    WSU's bigs are terrible on offense? Though would be a shock to Carl Hall and Cleanthony Early. Hmmmm

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    Like the name Count.

    You're right I did forget about Hall down low. He's solid. He did pick up two early fouls against an awful Pitt frontline. For the Shockers sake that can't happen against us.

    Early doesn't seem like a post player to me despite being 6'8", correct me if I'm wrong.

    Like I said, if the Shockers can keep the score down you'll have a chance. I still don't think you're bigs are anywhere as good as ours. We'll see.

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    Interesting viewing the Shockers season and who they play. Correct me if I am wrong but many of their losses were to teams no better than St. Marys or BYU and we won them all.

    Losses:
    Tennessee 69-60
    Evansville 71-67
    Indiana St 68-55
    UNI 57-52
    S Illinois 64-62
    Evansville 59-56
    Creigton 68-65

    They did beat a very good VCU team and others but they played no powerhouse teams really. Pitt was a big win for them.

    I like our chances real well. It will be who brings it.
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    Scoring output is key. We will be fine defensively. Guards will need to hold blackout and rebound. Win and come on down to la so I can go to a game
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    Count...what has happened to early the last three reg season games and the two Illinois games? He seems to have trouble against mobile bigs? And some foul trouble limiting his time on the court? Hall on the other hand has been a model of consistency last ten games on offense.

    Containing and not letting arm stead go off offensively is the true key to zag defensive success in my book...he seems to be streaky in his in his three point shooting
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    Does Few go to a zone for stretches in this game? I looked at their 3-point averages and they are not good.

    down the stretch they were:
    Evansville / 4-19
    Creighton / 7-21
    Missouri State / 4-16
    Illinois St. / 5-15
    Creighton / 7-21
    Pittsburgh / 2-20
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    that makes a total of 29 for 112 or 26% from 3-point for their last 6 games...
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    Strangely enough, if GU were to pursue the "finesse" route, I think they would still win.

    You are going to see some defensive intensity in this game, at some expense of offensive production. Probably an increase in turnovers if the Zags do what I want them to do....run. High risk, high reward. I like the upside.

    What is the 1st thing you hear from opposing WCC coaches?

    "We have to keep them out of their transition game"

    So if WSU is full of brutes, let's see them run a little at altitude.

    This is a game where I believe GU should speed up the tempo. Olynyk runs the floor like a deer. Harris can bring it up if all the guards are occupied. Let's see if their four can keep up from the perimeter if Harris sees a lane. Especially in transition.

    How often have we seen KO or EH with spectacular "trailers", in the transition game?

    Then there is Pangos and Bell and their transition threes. Often from an assist from each other. They just seem to find the mojo at times, after a good run down the court.

    Let's see another 20' bounce pass from Stockton to Olynyk followed by a delightful dunk and enough coolness to inspire the sour ####, Gotlieb, to gush. All from transition.


    The more I think about it, the more I believe. Make them beat us with something other than what they are planning on or what their strength is. The Zags could even run Edi for a few minutes if it means robbing their big guys of a little more oxygen. The Zags do, after all, have a track record of playing up to 9/10 deep.

    I'm on with the "finesse" game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Centre Mad Man View Post
    After watching them grind Pitt into the ground, I wasn't feeling so good.
    It's the teams that will be playing the Zags after they've kicked Wichita's butt that aren't going to feel so good. Saturday's the day the Zags rock SLC! The time is RIPE for it - I can hardly wait!
    Go Zags!

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    losing to Wichita is how this Zag season is going to end!
    Hell NO!

    GO ZAGS! Rock SLC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagger View Post
    Does anyone think losing to Wichita is how this Zag season is going to end!
    Hell NO!

    GO ZAGS! Rock SLC!
    Not if you are a Zag fan...on the other hand the national Zag haters are drooling with anticipation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagger View Post
    losing to Wichita is how this Zag season is going to end!
    Hell NO!

    GO ZAGS! Rock SLC!
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    I watch the Ducks a lot, so I'm pretty familiar w/ Armstead. Clever, savvy and skilled, but average quickness imo; far from lightning. I think Bell is quicker.

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