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    Looks like the rotation is set with the only question left being the integration of Edi. I say this not out of opinion but observation. In fact, I would love to see Hoff have more of a roll, but it looks like the rotation is:

    1 Pangos>Stockton
    2 Bell>Carter>Pangos
    3 Hart>Edi>Carter>(Bell when playing small ball)
    4 Harris>Dower
    5 Sacre>Dower

    The rest of the guys playing situational and spot minutes. I think Few learn from having the rotation up in the air, especially the 1 and 3 spot, until late into last season.

    The above line rotation is how he played the last two games. Also, taking out Edi, this has been the rotation since WSU, with some inserting of Hoff and Spangler, but mostly in situational minutes.

    The advantages of haing a set rotation is that you can have the most reps in practice with the starters as a unit. Also, every guy knowing their role on the team. Again, this is not my opinion but what I have observed. Injury and attitude could force a change, but barring this, the rotation for the remaiander of the season looks like the one above.
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    For the sake of our team this year,
    I hope Spangler gets put in a lot as replacement for Harris

    For the sake of our team next year and beyond,
    same hope

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    sure looks like, tito. if anything rotation will tighten even more when edi gets his game legs and bell starts to take more shots. losers will be carter and spangler. they already are. dower's renaissance hurts the latter. don't see any role of consequence for the euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    sure looks like, tito. if anything rotation will tighten even more when edi gets his game legs and bell starts to take more shots. losers will be carter and spangler. they already are. dower's renaissance hurts the latter. don't see any role of consequence for the euros.

    I just hope Spangler hangs in there and doesn't give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OK-ZagFan View Post
    I just hope Spangler hangs in there and doesn't give up.
    ok, the wcc games may offer opportunity for spangs. a few blowouts seem likely. hate to lose him.

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    Few deserves credit for going with the 2 freshman guards this early and letting them learn on the job. There were several on here who predicted that he would be rigid with his starting lineup, but I think he's done an outstanding job of putting different looks on the floor when needed. That said, Few also seems to be using the platoon rotation system more this year, which I think is helping the "2nd unit" play together more effectively.

    I agree that I don't want to see Spangler (or Monninghoff) completely disappear. Spot minutes when we need rebounding (or three point shooting) will hopefully be available. Still, Ryan is a true freshman and if he has patience, his time will surely come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagsGoZags View Post
    For the sake of our team this year,
    I hope Spangler gets put in a lot as replacement for Harris

    For the sake of our team next year and beyond,
    same hope
    I could see Spangler getting serious minutes in home games during league play. By the time March rolls around we will likely be much deeper than we are right now, in typical Few fashion.
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    I don't recall Carter playing in the second half. Did I just miss it?
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    The last three games, Pangos played 31, 29 & 35 minutes. Bell played 37, 32 & 33 minutes. Those two players led the team in minutes all 3 games except Arizona, when Elias had the most minutes. How many of us here would have predicted that 2 true freshmen would be playing the bulk of the backcourt minutes at this point in the season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaguarxj View Post
    The last three games, Pangos played 31, 29 & 35 minutes. Bell played 37, 32 & 33 minutes. Those two players led the team in minutes all 3 games except Arizona, when Elias had the most minutes. How many of us here would have predicted that 2 true freshmen would be playing the bulk of the backcourt minutes at this point in the season?

    me. at least it was my most fervent wish. thank you, santa. now i'd like to see bell look to shoot more and for pangos and someone to work a simple pick n roll...i know, i want the world for xmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaZagFan View Post
    I don't recall Carter playing in the second half. Did I just miss it?
    I had to look at the box-score. Carter played 3 minutes. Ouch.

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    I think the rotation is set, but only for the next 24 hours or so. HAHA.



    With Few, you never know. He is so good at mixing and matching and improving this team over the course of the season. Look at last season. At this point, Marquise was almost a non-factor, but by the end of the year, he was arguably our most important player.

    Who knows, in 2 months, we may be talking about Guy as one of the most important starters on this team.


    I think if we check back in 60 days, it could be a whole new rotation. Wouldn't surprise me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    me. at least it was my most fervent wish. thank you, santa. now i'd like to see bell look to shoot more and for pangos and someone to work a simple pick n roll...i know, i want the world for xmas.
    Deservedly so.
    Throw Stockton in the mix, and we have a very nice backourt tandem.
    I can see Pangos/Stockton to Dower or Harris for pick n roll. It will come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZagMan in Philly View Post
    Deservedly so.
    Throw Stockton in the mix, and we have a very nice backourt tandem.
    I can see Pangos/Stockton to Dower or Harris for pick n roll. It will come.

    happy holidays, phil. looks like ur iggles will contend yet. are u airing the air force game? seems confusing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    happy holidays, phil. looks like ur iggles will contend yet. are u airing the air force game? seems confusing here.
    Happy Holidays to you too.

    I will stream the Airforce game if and when it is being shown on my Directv..i hope it will be Live instead of taped delay. Just log in at 9pm EASTERN tomorrow and hope for the best.

    The wingless iggles have as small a chance to make the playoffs as the chargeless chargers. Funny, most people in philly wanted the eagles to lose out so they can see Reid fired.

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    I really hope to see Spangler, Keita and Hoff a lot during WCC play at least against the bottom teams. Only way we dont see yet another transfer IMO... and not from Spangler. If they are OK playing the waiting game I think there will be playing time in the next two years but that is a lot to ask for.

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    With the comments Tommy Lloyd made about Spanglers play?, I would guess he is pretty highly regarded,and its obvious they he can rebound with any of the starters. Therefore I assume that they feel the rebounding
    by the starters and their backups is sufficient and that Edi is presently more advanced on offense and that right now they feel the need is for balanced scoring off the bench? I imagine that Spangler knows his time to shine will come, I just hope that he has the patience to wait for it?
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    Oh I dont worry about Spangler at all. He knows the ropes with KO's redshirt. He is learning this year, playing back up next year and its his to lose after that. Harris staying or leaving may adjust that a little but either way he is playing and sees more time to come. Cant say the same for the Euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HillBillyZag View Post
    With the comments Tommy Lloyd made about Spanglers play?, I would guess he is pretty highly regarded,and its obvious they he can rebound with any of the starters. Therefore I assume that they feel the rebounding
    by the starters and their backups is sufficient and that Edi is presently more advanced on offense and that right now they feel the need is for balanced scoring off the bench? I imagine that Spangler knows his time to shine will come, I just hope that he has the patience to wait for it?
    Edi is a 3 and is currently backing up Hart. He could move up, I think this is the biggest question about the rotation. Spangler is a 4 and is behind Harris and Dower. The rest is pretty set. Few in the last few games already set lineups using similar sets for each (double high post when Dower and Harris in).
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    My guess on the rotations is that it'll depend on what is needed on any given day. If there's a game we need the size/strength and rebounding, that'll be Spangler's time to shine (as opposed to Sam's offense).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gozagswoohoo View Post
    With Few, you never know. He is so good at mixing and matching and improving this team over the course of the season. Look at last season. At this point, Marquise was almost a non-factor, but by the end of the year, he was arguably our most important player.

    Who knows, in 2 months, we may be talking about Guy as one of the most important starters on this team.
    Last year's experience is why I think he has made the rotation more solid this year, though this is speculation on my part. I only notice he is using the same lineups about the same time in the game. Also, I think Edi is the remaining question mark who can possible push into the starting line up or more PT. The others, will look similar to now 30 minutes for Pangos 20 min for Stockton etc. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by titopoet View Post
    Edi is a 3 and is currently backing up Hart. He could move up, I think this is the biggest question about the rotation. Spangler is a 4 and is behind Harris and Dower. The rest is pretty set. Few in the last few games already set lineups using similar sets for each (double high post when Dower and Harris in).
    RSp giving RS a blow. He has needed it with the faster game evolving. Plus, I think RSp's a better finisher around the basket, certainly than RS or EH were last night on numerous occasions. He's needed there and he'll continue to be needed there, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzdelmar View Post
    ok, the wcc games may offer opportunity for spangs. a few blowouts seem likely. hate to lose him.
    I don't think we'll lose Spangler. We tend to lose players who aren't playing and realistically won't get more playing time in the future. Spangler is a player who can look around and see a bigger role for himself over the next few years. He's a freshman playing center behind one of the best true big men in the country. He knows that his minutes will go up as he gains experience and as the upperclassmen graduate.

    When it comes to likely transfers, I'd be far more worried about sophomores who are sitting on the bench and watching freshmen play the bulk of the minutes at their respective positions.

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    I don't think of Spangler in the same category as the M & M boys. I definitely think that Ryan should be in the above rotation as a backup to Harris. I'm not very comfortable with Sacre and Dower on the floor at the same time. In fact Spangler has been the backup except for the last game. I think Ryan has done a good job considering he is a freshman on a learning curve. The problem is that Harris is playing so well right now. However circumstances could change with an injury (heaven forbid) and we would really need Ryan. Of course we will really need him in the future.

    All this inuendo that Spangler will decide to leave if doesn't play big minutes in every game is rediculous. Good grief! He's a freshman and he is going to be a starter some day.

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    "I just hope Spangler hangs in there and doesn't give up."?! Really?

    He's a true frosh on an top tier program. He knows his time is coming. He wasn't a burger boy with hoop dreams who is gonna pout if he isn't "gettin' his" 10 games into his freshman season.

    He had virtually no high level coaching coming in. His job is to watch and learn and take advantage of the minutes he gets. He is going to be terrific in the future.

    OKZF-I know you see the world through Spangler-colored lenses but this is how it goes for most freshmen. Bell and Pangos are truly the exceptions.
    Just pray we don't NEED him too soon 'cause that would mean injury or something bad.

    The Euros have to be getting frustrated though, we'll see. I prefer a tighter rotation with more defined roles and Few apparently does too with this group.

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